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Joseph Meiring		#1 Posted : 08 June 2010 17:29:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/12/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,157 Location: Western Cape Cape Town		Is it OK/wise to use ordinary household clear adhesive to fix down m track at various strategic places, or is it better to screw them down. I thought of using just a wee drop every odd section once I have everything in place, especially on those gradients.... Joe
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Ian555		#2 Posted : 08 June 2010 17:48:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Joe, I would just screw them down, much easier to re-lift them,if any problems occur. Ian.
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Joseph Meiring		#3 Posted : 08 June 2010 17:51:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/12/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,157 Location: Western Cape Cape Town		thanx, any specific size screws the best....?? Joe
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dntower85		#4 Posted : 08 June 2010 17:58:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		Joe Meiring wrote: thanx, any specific size screws the best....?? Joe Märklin M Track uses the same screws as C Track. These are a great substitute to Märklin # 74990 ( and Märklin # 7299 ). I have used a button head type screw from the hardware store but see my comment on digital problems https://www.marklin-user...&m=244282#post244282
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Tex		#5 Posted : 08 June 2010 22:16:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 276 Location: Houston, Texas		Joe, I get my screws from Trainaids. < trainaidsa.com > Harder and longer than screws from Marklin. Also are blackened. Tex
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Alfa V8		#6 Posted : 09 June 2010 00:58:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/01/2007(UTC) Posts: 211 Location: , Mpumalanga, South Africa		Hi Joe In my humble opinion, screws will always be better in the longer term. Hannes
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RayF		#7 Posted : 09 June 2010 01:24:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I also use screws, but beware one thing, the screws will conduct the sound of the passing trains into the wooden base-board, amplifying the sound. I only use one screw every 1/2 metre or so, to minimise the noise transfer.
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Bigdaddynz		#8 Posted : 09 June 2010 01:40:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Viessmann have M track substitute screws - item #4178. I use ordinary bronze screws available from your local hardware store. This does require drilling the mounting hole to a larger size. The only problem with using screws is that sound from the rails is transmitted through the screws into the baseboard, which tends to amplify the noise. Fixing the track with a dob of hot glue gets around this, but makes it harder to lift the track.
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ac jacko		#9 Posted : 09 June 2010 14:21:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 897 Location: Gawler South Australia		RayPayas wrote: I also use screws, but beware one thing, the screws will conduct the sound of the passing trains into the wooden base-board, amplifying the sound. I only use one screw every 1/2 metre or so, to minimise the noise transfer. Didnt even think of nosie factor Ray and BDNZ,interesting.. Oh go the screws method
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intruder		#10 Posted : 11 June 2010 00:53:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		It's not noise, my friends. It's the Genuine Märklin Sound
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Bigdaddynz		#11 Posted : 11 June 2010 02:37:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		True Svein, true! . I also use 4.5mm cork strips under the rails, which help deaden the 'Genuine Märklin Sound'.
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Ian555		#12 Posted : 11 June 2010 10:05:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		intruder wrote: It's not noise, my friends. It's the Genuine Märklin Sound M track of course. Ian.
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Joseph Meiring		#13 Posted : 12 June 2010 00:54:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/12/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,157 Location: Western Cape Cape Town		noise...?...what noise??
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xxup		#14 Posted : 12 June 2010 01:17:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,463 Location: Australia		Joe Meiring wrote: noise...?...what noise?? They all have Tinnitus. There is no noise... I use the Viessmann screws - I think that they are better than the later Marklin phillips head screws and miles better than the original slot head screws..
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TTRExpress		#15 Posted : 03 July 2010 22:34:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 655		It is always better to use screws. First put cork road bed under the track or use homasote (fiber board). You will have no issues with noise rebounding back!
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Bigdaddynz		#16 Posted : 04 July 2010 07:04:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		TTRExpress wrote: You will have no issues with noise rebounding back! I beg to differ! It is still noisy, even with cork underneath the track. I'm using MDF for the baseboard. But that is part of the M track experience, and it doesn't bother me.
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Tom Jessop		#17 Posted : 04 July 2010 10:12:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/12/2002(UTC) Posts: 800 Location: Newcastle NSW Australia		Noise !!!!. After many months of experimenting with M Track to see what the best way of deadining the resonating sound I found the best way for me ,although very tedious was to cut small timber pieces to fit under the track,the track was then screwed to these which in turn were glued to insulation strips using diluted wood glue. { maybe should have used hot glue here for quicker results} The track /insulation strip was laid in sections of about a meter length with all the tracks soldered to each other with a feeder some where to connect to the common feed underneath the board.When the layout sections are finished I then used wood glue to attach the insulation strip to the base board, The insulation strip I used was from a plumbers store & is used to wrap round water pipes for hot & cold temperatures. it has to be trimmed slightly to make a snug fit under the track but is approx the same height as the ballast sidewalls of M track. There is also a supplier of similar insulation called "Trackrite" in Albury, Australia who has profiled sides but this is made for 2 rail users. Have fun & take your time & dont glue till you are very sure that is what you want. Tom in Oz
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Ian555		#18 Posted : 04 July 2010 12:40:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi all, I've never actually heard a Marklin Loco running on C track on a layout (or K track). How much noise does that make as a comparison,against M track. Ian.
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pab		#19 Posted : 04 July 2010 12:43:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,752		Ian555 wrote: Hi all, I've never actually heard a Marklin Loco running on C track on a layout (or K track). How much noise does that make as a comparison,against M track. Ian. It's not how much Ian. It's how little
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kimballthurlow		#20 Posted : 04 July 2010 12:52:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,668 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi all, I use C track on 10 mm plywood. Under the track is corrugated plastic (cheap from hardware stores - it is used to help stack blocks and bricks). Vinyl flooring might do a better job. Then a layer of Noch tar paper, then Noch scenery paper such as grey ballast. I DO NOT pin it down in any way. If you pin it down it tranmits the noise to the plywood. The same would apply to M track. regards Kimball
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Bigdaddynz		#21 Posted : 04 July 2010 14:52:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Ian555 wrote: Hi all, I've never actually heard a Marklin Loco running on C track on a layout (or K track). How much noise does that make as a comparison,against M track. Ian. Much quieter. You probably can lay it directly on the baseboard.
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sudibarba		#22 Posted : 05 July 2010 07:26:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 880 Location: Augusta, GA USA		Bigdaddynz wrote: Ian555 wrote: Hi all, I've never actually heard a Marklin Loco running on C track on a layout (or K track). How much noise does that make as a comparison,against M track. Ian. Much quieter. You probably can lay it directly on the baseboard. Big D is correct as usual. I lay my M track on cheap cork I cut from rolls. I screw down every third rail or so but all the turnouts. The noise is greatly reduced to about the same as C track screwed directly to plywood. I run both types of track. Railroads are very load in real life anyway. Now, one bright boy once told me that the noise has to be in at least 1 in 87. I like M track and have a lot - the next generation can do what they want. I will stick with it as I have no problems so far. Eric
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muzza		#23 Posted : 05 July 2010 08:50:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/05/2010(UTC) Posts: 122		Bigdaddynz wrote: Ian555 wrote: Hi all, I've never actually heard a Marklin Loco running on C track on a layout (or K track). How much noise does that make as a comparison,against M track. Ian. Much quieter. You probably can lay it directly on the baseboard. My wife tells me all men have selective deafness ,just needs to extend to track noise. Cheers murray
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YannisB		#24 Posted : 06 July 2010 04:23:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/05/2010(UTC) Posts: 190 Location: USA		Ditto on "Marklin sound". I applaud it and raise it to "Marklin Music"!!!! I have used the Marklin rubber "shoes", I have used 1/4 in. foam insulation glued to the baseboard, and I have used cheap cork cut in strips from rolls. After all these, I went back to screwing the M track directly on the plywood baseboard. If I can't hear it, I don't want it! Yannis
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Bigdaddynz		#25 Posted : 06 July 2010 05:27:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		sudibarba wrote: I lay my M track on cheap cork I cut from rolls. I use 4.5mm strips cut from cork flooring tiles, which are readily available from hardware stores here. And like Eric, my layout extension will be with C track, so I will be using both types. And there will most likely be a bit of K track around the turntable area, and possibly around Nev's Heljan Container Terminal (hasn't arrived yet).
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RayF		#26 Posted : 06 July 2010 13:53:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		The sound volume also depends greatly on the type of trains running. A modern loco pulling a few plastic freight wagons at a realistic pace on my layout is barely audible, whereas a 3021 pulling 4 tinplate coaches at speed is so loud I can't hear the phone ringing in the lobby 3 metres away!
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nzrabbitty		#27 Posted : 06 October 2020 05:55:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/01/2018(UTC) Posts: 17		Just been reading the posts about track noise with M track And how there is very little with C track Another way of looking at it is with m Track you get the full train running for FREE With C track you got to pay for digital and struggle to set the sounds it up This is my humble opinion mind And also can't afford C track yet LOL
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hxmiesa		#28 Posted : 06 October 2020 06:41:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,520 Location: Spain		Originally Posted by: nzrabbitty Just been reading the posts about track noise with M track And how there is very little with C track Another way of looking at it is with m Track you get the full train running for FREE With C track you got to pay for digital and struggle to set the sounds it up This is my humble opinion mind And also can't afford C track yet Best joke of the year. Should have been posted to the JOKES forum. Reported to moderators!
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dominator		#29 Posted : 07 October 2020 06:35:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 1,196 Location: Kerikeri		I have plywood bases and they are covered with Pinex. [ a NZ made soft board. } One area is screwed through to the ply wood and the rest just sits on the Pinex. The track which is screwed down is of but a pain if i have to work on points. In the other areas, if the track starts to migrate, i use sewing pins pushed i at an angle, and parallel to the track to stop the migration. When I have 4 trains running around, it is noisy, but nowhere near as noisy as it was on the bare plywood. With 4 trains running, its is a waste of time having the sound switched on.
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xxup		#30 Posted : 07 October 2020 11:06:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,463 Location: Australia		I don't use plywood.. I use m-track screwed to19mm dressed pine with no knots.. It is pretty quiet... KiwiAlan has seen (and heard) the layout running and can provide an independent comment on the noise level using this material as a base board.. Of course, this is way more expensive than plywood (even premium grade)..
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Michael4		#31 Posted : 07 October 2020 11:38:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/02/2017(UTC) Posts: 642 Location: England, South Coast		3mm closed cell foam on the whole baseboard and I also use those M track black rubber things at the positions where I intend to screw track down (can't remember their number). They insulate the screw from the track if you use the right screws (can't remember their number either). Having said that I avoid screwing things down, my layout is, for want of a better word, fluid.
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Jimmy Thompson		#32 Posted : 07 October 2020 12:12:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 608 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Quote: Michael4 wrote: "...my layout is, for want of a better word, fluid." Beautiful! Brilliant!
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analogmike		#33 Posted : 07 October 2020 12:13:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 739 Location: NEW JERSEY, USA		Originally Posted by: Joseph Meiring Is it OK/wise to use ordinary household clear adhesive to fix down m track at various strategic places, or is it better to screw them down. I thought of using just a wee drop every odd section once I have everything in place, especially on those gradients.... Joe I use as few screws as possible (noise). Otherwise, a small schmeer of clear silicone will do the trick and can easily be peeled of with your fingernail down the road.
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joyofmarklin		#34 Posted : 08 October 2020 18:58:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 116 Location: phoenix		Very humorous replies here! Reminds me of a post I saw about making the perfect poached egg, involving vortexes and gallons of vinegar! I run both M track and C and it is right re adding to C track with noise, although there is only so much shoveling coal one can take, to quote Mandy Rice Davis, “ Well he would ,wouldn’t he!” I attach a short video of my progress and with 6 locos running, a tad noisy! I am indebted to Nicholas Boutinon who has given valuable advice. He uses EVA tiles and has tested the noise suppression. That is going to be my next step! https://1drv.ms/v/s!AieVZl0I2- For poached eggs Julia Child where you prick he egg and place it for 10 secs in its shell in the simmering water then add to the water. This will keep it formed!
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analogmike		#35 Posted : 08 October 2020 20:12:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 739 Location: NEW JERSEY, USA		I tried the link and it gave an error code
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joyofmarklin		#36 Posted : 08 October 2020 22:17:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 116 Location: phoenix		https://1drv.ms/v/s!AieVZl0I2-3dlneT6R2ZwLNV70Ba Hopefully this works !
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hxmiesa		#37 Posted : 09 October 2020 06:44:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,520 Location: Spain		Originally Posted by: joyofmarklin https://1drv.ms/v/s!AieVZl0I2-3dlneT6R2ZwLNV70Ba Hopefully this works ! It does, but I had to copy and paste the link manually.
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Legless		#38 Posted : 09 October 2020 10:45:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 809 Location: Leopold, Victoria		Just a few dabs of a acrylic chalk (multiple colours available) or a neutral cure silicone as acidic cure would eat into the M track over time. Mike
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