Joined: 15/07/2020(UTC) Posts: 45 Location: Occitanie, Canton de Lacapelle-Marival
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Hello! Can you tell me if I got a good idea? May I pick up the power from the Tracks to give the two poles needed by the switch and his contactor? I put my question before to do a dangerous mistake. Thank you for your attention. Regards. Alain.
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Joined: 11/06/2007(UTC) Posts: 208 Location: Eslöv, Sweden
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Hi Alain,
Yes you can, if you feed a switch decoder that in turn perform the switching. I assume you’re running digital...
If you’re running analog then it’s not a good idea as the voltage will differ depending on the speed you’re currently manouver the lok with.
Best regards, Peder
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Joined: 15/07/2020(UTC) Posts: 45 Location: Occitanie, Canton de Lacapelle-Marival
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Originally Posted by: pederbc  Hi Alain,
Yes you can, if you feed a switch decoder that in turn perform the switching. I assume you’re running digital... .....
Best regards, Peder
Thank you for your answer. effectively, I try to use the CS2 Digital Marklin. Be full of care. I said 'I try to use CS2' Because I encounter many difficulties to use it!
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Joined: 15/07/2020(UTC) Posts: 45 Location: Occitanie, Canton de Lacapelle-Marival
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Originally Posted by: Garoux  Hello! Can you tell me if I got a good idea? May I pick up the power from the Tracks to give the two poles needed by the switch and his contactor? I put my question before to do a dangerous mistake. Thank you for your attention. Regards. Alain.
Hello! I am disappointed because it was not a good idea. Why? -> Because the power is not sufficient Regards.
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Joined: 11/06/2007(UTC) Posts: 208 Location: Eslöv, Sweden
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Hi Alain,
Can you tell us what track system you’re using? M, K or C?
Since you’re using the CS2 you have about 4A output. If you where to use the C-track switches you can use the switchdecoders from Märklin that is built-in to the switch. Even if you use many of these the CS2 will still only switch one at the time.
So show us what you have....
Br, Peder
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Joined: 15/07/2020(UTC) Posts: 45 Location: Occitanie, Canton de Lacapelle-Marival
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Originally Posted by: pederbc  Hi Alain,
Can you tell us what track system you’re using? M, K or C? ....
Br, Peder I use track C. In french because my English is not good enough eitherC'est le nombre d'ampères utilisable dans la voie qui n'est pas suffisant our les moteurs d'aiguillage. J'ai fait un essai avec un vieux transfo de 36 VA et ça marche pour le mème aiguillage. Dans l'aiguillage, je n'ai pas de décodeur reconnaissable par la CS2. J'ai simùplement monté un moteur d'aiguille avec 3 fils : 2 bleu, Un jaune
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Joined: 11/06/2007(UTC) Posts: 208 Location: Eslöv, Sweden
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Hi,
My french is definitely worse than your english😀. Which powersupply are you using with the CS2?
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW
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Originally Posted by: pederbc  Since you’re using the CS2 you have about 4A output. The output is 2.4 A, 3.0 A, or 5.0 A respectively. If it is 2.4 A only, then digital current should be used sparingly. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Joined: 15/07/2020(UTC) Posts: 45 Location: Occitanie, Canton de Lacapelle-Marival
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Originally Posted by: pederbc  Hi,
My french is definitely worse than your english😀. Which powersupply are you using with the CS2?
I have a network about 25 meters with track type C. I connected a CS2 60657->module 60116 -> track C . This is for digital locomotives. For switches,decouplers and others I have three transformers : First a Marklin (50224) 32 VA not connected to the Track C but supporting switches. secondly a fleischman,thirdly a Titan (type 807) for light signals and as soon as possible mechanical, I hope so . My purpose was to reduce the network of cables by using the power in the tracks. I know that digitals solutions exist. But I am a beginner in the Marklin World and in my opinion the tools for digitals are expensive. Look for example the price of a connecting box compared to the price of a electronic pushbutton I live far from the big cities and If I decide to buy a digital module. I have only the solution to buy with Internet but without help to implement it. Sorry, my answer was a little bit too long. but it is clear now
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW
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Originally Posted by: Garoux  I connected a CS2 60657 [...] Sorry, my answer was a little bit too long. but it is clear now The 60657 is an MS2, not a CS2. The track output of the MS2 track box is only 1.9 A. Using track power for turnouts can lead to problems if you run trains with a high power consumption. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Joined: 15/11/2018(UTC) Posts: 432 Location: Uusimaa, Helsinki
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Running 25 meters of track with just 1.9 amperes is borderline, and it is not surprising that switches don't get sufficient voltage to operate. My solution in a similar situation (albeit with 50 meters of track) was to deploy two 6604 Delta units as boosters. This also enabled me to run additional trains. |
- Martti M.
Era III analog & digital (Rocrail, CAN Digital Bahn, Gleisbox/MS2, K83/K84), C & M tracks, some Spur 1 |
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Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,590 Location: Spain
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Originally Posted by: Martti Mäntylä  Running 25 meters of track with just 1.9 amperes is borderline, and it is not surprising that switches don't get sufficient voltage to operate. My solution in a similar situation (albeit with 50 meters of track) was to deploy two 6604 Delta units as boosters. This also enabled me to run additional trains. Maybe I am missing something, but the actual LENGTH of the track has absolutely nothing to do with how many loks and accessories you can run. Just install extra feeder-points for every 2 meters. With good thick cables you can run your loco on a 1000 meters of tracks with 1,9Amps. Edited by user 09 August 2020 00:23:10(UTC)
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Joined: 15/11/2018(UTC) Posts: 432 Location: Uusimaa, Helsinki
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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa  Originally Posted by: Martti Mäntylä  Running 25 meters of track with just 1.9 amperes is borderline, and it is not surprising that switches don't get sufficient voltage to operate. My solution in a similar situation (albeit with 50 meters of track) was to deploy two 6604 Delta units as boosters. This also enabled me to run additional trains. Maybe I am missing something, but the actual LENGTH of the track has absolutely nothing to do with how many loks and accessories you can run. Just install extra feeder-points for every 2 meters. With good thick cables you can run your loco on a 1000 meters of tracks with 1,9Amps. All other things being equal, this is true. However, why would anyone lay up 1000 meters of track to run, say, two trains? Our new friend did not offer other indications of the complexity of his layout except the overall length of the tracks, so I was thinking of this as a proxy of the overall complexity of his setup. I think it is not unreasonable to expect that track length correlates with the number of accessories present and the number of trains one endeavours to run. Adding additional feeder points is in any case sound practice, and it may well be enough to solve the problem Garoux was having. |
- Martti M.
Era III analog & digital (Rocrail, CAN Digital Bahn, Gleisbox/MS2, K83/K84), C & M tracks, some Spur 1 |
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Joined: 15/07/2020(UTC) Posts: 45 Location: Occitanie, Canton de Lacapelle-Marival
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Originally Posted by: Martti Mäntylä  Originally Posted by: hxmiesa  Originally Posted by: Martti Mäntylä  Running 25 meters of track with just 1.9 amperes is borderline, and it is not surprising that switches don't get sufficient voltage to operate. My solution in a similar situation (albeit with 50 meters of track) was to deploy two 6604 Delta units as boosters. This also enabled me to run additional trains. Maybe I am missing something, but the actual LENGTH of the track has absolutely nothing to do with how many loks and accessories you can run. Just install extra feeder-points for every 2 meters. With good thick cables you can run your loco on a 1000 meters of tracks with 1,9Amps. All other things being equal, this is true. However, why would anyone lay up 1000 meters of track to run, say, two trains? Our new friend did not offer other indications of the complexity of his layout except the overall length of the tracks, so I was thinking of this as a proxy of the overall complexity of his setup. I think it is not unreasonable to expect that track length correlates with the number of accessories present and the number of trains one endeavours to run. Adding additional feeder points is in any case sound practice, and it may well be enough to solve the problem Garoux was having. Merci pour ces indications. for my circuit, you can imagine a racket with a double way as handle. This double way contain two right switches.No digital accessories. Anyway, I noticed that Marklin works best on circular circuits. And...... My circuit is not circular! [So, I decided to take the power from an other Power box.I forgot my problem about cable length and number[/i] Thank you for your attention
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Originally Posted by: Garoux  Anyway, I noticed that Marklin works best on circular circuits. Pardon my French, but... how did you come to that conclusion? |
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Joined: 15/07/2020(UTC) Posts: 45 Location: Occitanie, Canton de Lacapelle-Marival
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Originally Posted by: PeFu  Originally Posted by: Garoux  Anyway, I noticed that Marklin works best on circular circuits. Pardon my French, but... how did you come to that conclusion? This conclusion appeared from my expérience. First, I bought a starting kit with a simple circle. After, I bought a loco which run immediately and perfectly around this circle. I bought an other starting box with switches and new straights tracks. I layed these news tracks without isolation making a network no circular. Perfectly joined. When I put the loco upon the tracks. She seems shy. All sounds are perfects but she run 0.50 m or 1m and stop. Sometimes she run and return along the network without stoping. 
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Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,590 Location: Spain
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Originally Posted by: Garoux  When I put the loco upon the tracks. She seems shy. I think she just needs to grow up... ;-) "Circular track" is not the issue. Your symptoms seems to indicate other problems. First; If you have 2 starter-sets, you should ONLY use one starter-box, and connect both MS2 to that box. If you connect both trackboxes, you will indeed need to isolate both 0 and power ("0" and "B"). -And even THEN you can run into problem, when some rolling stock bridge the two power-sections. I´m pretty sure the issue here is to just add MORE feeder connections. PS: Martti; Not wrong or even "unlikely" in installing 1000 meters of track to run a couple of trains!  -You could do it in a garden layout, f.x. |
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