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Offline Jabez  
#151 Posted : 21 July 2019 16:50:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post


The Märklin that puts the legal hammer on anyone using their photos in German forums due to their copyright status, even when the photos actually help advertise/identify their products (no fair use in Germany).. will certainly go all Lego on anyones ass that attempts to make a 'compatible' track piece solong as their patents are in effect.


What about this third party C to flex transition piece then?
https://www.weichen-walt...ex.php?cPath=29_72_48_74

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Offline Minok  
#152 Posted : 21 July 2019 18:44:58(UTC)
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I suspect since those are constructed using Märklin c track there isn’t a claim they can make. I don’t think you can claim inconvenient if someone uses your part to build something greater, just if they create your part directly.
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Offline fynrfin  
#153 Posted : 23 November 2019 19:53:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
What do the very topmost and the bottom most paths give you? Seems they are redundant.

Yes you are right Minok, I don't need those - thank you for catching that.



Steen Jorgensen
Planning a Northern European (DSB and DB) C-track layout with IB control.
Offline fynrfin  
#154 Posted : 23 November 2019 19:56:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Hi Steen:
Originally Posted by: fynrfin Go to Quoted Post
I drew this up and it seems to work with all but two turnouts permanently shown.
What do you mean by "permanently shown" please?

Sorry I meant permanently "thrown" not shown

Originally Posted by: fynrfin Go to Quoted Post
However, since the gurus on this site all use a figure 8 and not just one circle, I must be doing something wrong.
Sorry, I do not understand. What is wrong about having a circle instead of a figure 8?


Nothing, I just could not figure out if I needed a figure 8 or could make do with a circle. I guess I can


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Offline Alsterstreek  
#155 Posted : 25 November 2019 21:39:53(UTC)
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More from my parallel C track universe.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#156 Posted : 25 November 2019 21:46:56(UTC)
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1x 24172
1x 24077
1x 24912
3x 24071
1x 2471x
2x 24649
3x 2461x
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#157 Posted : 25 November 2019 22:47:41(UTC)
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Why? Because I can.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#158 Posted : 26 November 2019 01:50:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Why? Because I can.
1A4FE00A-20B7-4B78-A5E1-58BC862545F3.jpeg


The Norfolk and Western railway (and probably Pennsylvania too) had many double track routes that occasionally widened to three tracks to allow faster trains to overtake slower trains.
Though in most cases it was simply both tracks merged into (and out of) the third middle track.

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Offline rrf  
#159 Posted : 28 November 2019 22:11:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post

The Norfolk and Western railway (and probably Pennsylvania too) had many double track routes that occasionally widened to three tracks to allow faster trains to overtake slower trains.
Kimball

Hello,

My understanding is that all Pensy mainlines were three track. So it is quite reasonable to expect one and two track branch lines merging into three. BTW, I've been driving a lot over the last year in eastern and central PA (work). I've stumbled across quite a few old PA RR lines that support this premise.
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Offline hvc  
#160 Posted : 07 January 2020 02:00:39(UTC)
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Apols if this has been covered before - I'm replying to a recent post and thought the content belongs here....

For transition from 64.3 mm track distance to 77.5 mm a common solution is:

E66FA845-4EC6-4E0E-95A1-CA2EDCEE59F0.png

But this can be achieved much more elegantly with the same number of pieces like this:

CTrackTransition1.jpeg

Here I show R3/R4, but you can substitute R4/R5 curves and it works the same.

Alternatively, if you have more space and are willing to use a little flex in the C-track, then this is even more elegant:

CTrackTransition3.jpeg

- Herman
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Offline hvc  
#161 Posted : 07 January 2020 02:17:55(UTC)
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and of course the solution doesn't have to be a 90 degree corner...

CTrackTransition4.jpeg
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Offline hvc  
#162 Posted : 07 January 2020 08:15:31(UTC)
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or even more simply...

CTrackTransition5.jpeg

and just one more, but with S-curve elimination...

CTrackTransition6.jpeg

- Herman
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#163 Posted : 02 May 2020 21:06:48(UTC)
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Outer course:
24671+24107+24912+24912+24107+24672
Inner course:
24671+24107+24207+24130+24649+24130+24115+24672
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#164 Posted : 08 May 2020 17:43:51(UTC)
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Extended.
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Offline Johnvr  
#165 Posted : 08 May 2020 21:38:43(UTC)
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Hello AK,

Just for some entertainment during lockdown :

How many trains can you run on this without an accident ?

snapshot.jpg

Pattern.jpg


RegardsBigGrin
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Online kiwiAlan  
#166 Posted : 09 May 2020 03:15:14(UTC)
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Extended.
image1.jpeg


What ?? Lockdown driving you up the wall? Oh no, it's all right, its lying on the floor and Alsterstreek is hanging from a sky hook Woot RollEyes Smile Wink
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Offline jrbburg  
#167 Posted : 12 May 2020 20:20:23(UTC)
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Has Marklin got this wrong?

Page 248 of the 2015/2016 Catalogue Suggests the DEBA3CCF-CEC2-4CB0-AE1A-A33D7E6EB905.jpeg

I hope the photo attached.

I’m experimenting with C Track and built this. The outer rails (24188s) are not flush with the 24172s. While I’m sure it must be me I can’t work out how.

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#168 Posted : 12 May 2020 23:19:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Johnvr Go to Quoted Post
Hello AK,

Just for some entertainment during lockdown :

How many trains can you run on this without an accident ?

..
RegardsBigGrin
John



Hi John,
Nice test.
I think you could run 3 trains perfectly without ever meeting, because there are 3 contiguous but independent circuits in there.
Each is capable of running a train either clockwise or anti-clockwise.


Kimball
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Offline TEEWolf  
#169 Posted : 13 May 2020 00:27:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jrbburg Go to Quoted Post
Has Marklin got this wrong?

Page 248 of the 2015/2016 Catalogue Suggests the

I hope the photo attached.

I’m experimenting with C Track and built this. The outer rails (24188s) are not flush with the 24172s. While I’m sure it must be me I can’t work out how.

Thanks


Some documents about Maerklin's C-track system and its geometry. Hopefully you find out why it does not work for you.

Maerklin C-track -Quadratur des Kreises-.pdf (3,424kb) downloaded 135 time(s).
Strecken mit C Gleisen CLengths.pdf (95kb) downloaded 185 time(s).
C-tracks length differences - Langenausleiche bei Schienen - CDiff.pdf (108kb) downloaded 178 time(s).
Maerklin curved tracks circle geometry.jpg
602 653 Broschure_C-Gleis_Gleisplane_Erganzungspackungen.pdf (16,871kb) downloaded 6 time(s).
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Offline rbw993  
#170 Posted : 13 May 2020 02:18:59(UTC)
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One mistake that I have made is mixing the 24130 and 24224's. They are about the same length but not interchangeable. Good reason not to use R1.

Roger
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Offline Johnvr  
#171 Posted : 13 May 2020 10:42:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jrbburg Go to Quoted Post
Has Marklin got this wrong?

The outer rails (24188s) are not flush with the 24172s. While I’m sure it must be me I can’t work out how.

Thanks



Hello

Marklin have got it correct, and, yes, the outer rails will be flush with each other if done correctly.

RegardsBigGrin
John
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Offline hvc  
#172 Posted : 13 May 2020 12:11:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Johnvr Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: jrbburg Go to Quoted Post
Has Marklin got this wrong?

The outer rails (24188s) are not flush with the 24172s. While I’m sure it must be me I can’t work out how.

Thanks



Hello

Marklin have got it correct, and, yes, the outer rails will be flush with each other if done correctly.

RegardsBigGrin
John


Agreed - it definitely works...

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- Herman
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Offline dickinsonj  
#173 Posted : 13 May 2020 14:48:21(UTC)
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Agreed - it definitely works...


I agree. I have two of these 2x24630 interchanges and the geometry works out perfectly. My only complaint is that some of my rolling stock do not like the 3-way turnouts but I find that taking them at a slow speed helps. Oddly my Big Boy and Challenger never have a problem, while several freight wagons with three axle trucks and a few locos locos do.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline hvc  
#174 Posted : 13 May 2020 15:57:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post

Agreed - it definitely works...


I agree. I have two of these 2x24630 interchanges and the geometry works out perfectly. My only complaint is that some of my rolling stock do not like the 3-way turnouts but I find that taking them at a slow speed helps. Oddly my Big Boy and Challenger never have a problem, while several freight wagons with three axle trucks and a few locos locos do.


Also, using the two 3-way turns is not very practical unless you want uneven length yard tracks - it might be more practical to just do this:

Screen Shot 2020-05-13 at 11.53.05 PM.png
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Offline hvc  
#175 Posted : 13 May 2020 16:09:56(UTC)
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This kind of pattern gives you a space-efficient station throat from two track mainline to 5 tracks at the station, where both mainline tracks can go to any platform...

Screen Shot 2020-05-14 at 12.07.36 AM.png

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Offline hvc  
#176 Posted : 13 May 2020 16:16:13(UTC)
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...but this can also be done without the three-way by adding a double-slip... I do really love how clever the two different length straight pieces are in C-track...

Screen Shot 2020-05-14 at 12.13.55 AM.png
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Offline hvc  
#177 Posted : 16 May 2020 11:29:45(UTC)
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I'm curious what other people do in C-track for a station throat when using the high-speed (schlanke) turnouts. The case above is one I use a lot - a two track mainline, entering a station with 5 or 6 tracks (for me generally 4 platforms and a bypass track for freight).

So how do you do this with schlanke C track in the shortest space possible? The lack of a schlanke double-slip makes these structures very long. The only space saving thing I've done before is a schlanke Hosenträger, which is well-known:

Screen Shot 2020-05-16 at 6.47.27 PM.jpg

in front of my 2->5 throat that makes:

Screen Shot 2020-05-16 at 6.55.47 PM.jpg

It's interesting to use a regular double slip. The one below breaks my usual rule because the two mainlne tracks can't get to every platform, but it's not a bad compromise - each mainline track can reach 4 out of 5 of the station tracks...

Screen Shot 2020-05-16 at 7.26.33 PM.jpg

What do others do? Do you have any pretty, amazing or compact ways to build a schlanke station throat?

Edited by user 16 May 2020 16:04:56(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

- Herman
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#178 Posted : 17 May 2020 10:18:35(UTC)
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HI Herman,
How about the circled "slack" areas? Do the tracks connect in reality?
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Offline hvc  
#179 Posted : 17 May 2020 11:41:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
HI Herman,
How about the circled "slack" areas? Do the tracks connect in reality?
Q%20Shot%202020-05-16%20at%206.47.27%20PM.png


No they don’t connect - if you do exactly this you end up with a gap to fill. (Although you can get it to actually fit into if you make it bigger - by adding 077s from memory - I’ll look that up). I was more just trying to lead in to my thoughts about the station throat by using the left side of this.

- Herman
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#180 Posted : 17 May 2020 13:15:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
What do others do? Do you have any pretty, amazing or compact ways to build a schlanke station throat?
Since you went "hybrid" by introducing a not so slim double slip turnout, I enter the contest with this contribution. I took advantage of the slack C track is offering, and the arrangement is working with real C track (I have tried this before).
Throat2020.png
Six station tracks can be reached by both double-track mainline tracks. In addition, the concept is using the entrance curve, which might appeal to the average 4x8 ft baseboard model railroader. The shown segment measures 158 x 55 cm.

Edited by user 17 May 2020 23:40:50(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline Alsterstreek  
#181 Posted : 17 May 2020 14:47:30(UTC)
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No they don’t connect - if you do exactly this you end up with a gap to fill.
If one is not afraid of using a saw:
http://www.web-hgh.de/pp...C-Gleis-Hosentraeger.pdf

Another approach without using a saw.
http://www.heinzherrmann...mages/Hosentraeger_1.JPG
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#182 Posted : 17 May 2020 15:32:23(UTC)
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This one...:
http://www.heinzherrmann...mages/Hosentraeger_1.JPG
...in black and white:
slim2020throat1a.png
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#183 Posted : 17 May 2020 15:44:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
(Although you can get it to actually fit into if you make it bigger - by adding 077s from memory - I’ll look that up).
Like this, I suppose?
2020hostentraeger2.png

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#184 Posted : 18 May 2020 09:51:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
(Although you can get it to actually fit into if you make it bigger - by adding 077s from memory - I’ll look that up).
Like this, I suppose?
2020hostentraeger2.png



I went back and found it - and no! I previously had this for a hacksaw-free solution:

Screen Shot 2020-05-18 at 5.44.49 PM.jpg

So that I could do this...

Screen Shot 2020-05-18 at 5.46.49 PM.jpg

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#185 Posted : 18 May 2020 09:52:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
What do others do? Do you have any pretty, amazing or compact ways to build a schlanke station throat?
Since you went "hybrid" by introducing a not so slim double slip turnout, I enter the contest with this contribution. I took advantage of the slack C track is offering, and the arrangement is working with real C track (I have tried this before).
Throat2020.png
Six station tracks can be reached by both double-track mainline tracks. In addition, the concept is using the entrance curve, which might appeal to the average 4x8 ft baseboard model railroader. The shown segment measures 158 x 55 cm.


Also, I want to "like" this more than once! Love it.
- Herman
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#186 Posted : 18 May 2020 10:07:36(UTC)
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and so another place I end up is here - still one track that each mainline can't get to, but good for those who like straight lines and symmetry :-)

Screen Shot 2020-05-18 at 6.05.10 PM.jpg
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#187 Posted : 18 May 2020 10:11:20(UTC)
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and could maybe fill the gap with a run-around track - although this one doesn't fit exactly and I'll try and build it to see if it really works...

Screen Shot 2020-05-18 at 6.09.16 PM.jpg

- Herman
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#188 Posted : 18 May 2020 14:40:08(UTC)
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No others takers so far, so here's one I came up with this evening... both of the mainlines can reach any of the six platforms

Screen Shot 2020-05-18 at 10.33.04 PM.jpg
- Herman
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#189 Posted : 18 May 2020 22:50:12(UTC)
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No others takers so far, so here's one I came up with this evening... both of the mainlines can reach any of the six platforms ......



Wow - that looks like Kings Cross, London.

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#190 Posted : 19 May 2020 13:03:43(UTC)
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No others takers so far, so here's one I came up with this evening... both of the mainlines can reach any of the six platforms

Screen Shot 2020-05-18 at 10.33.04 PM.jpg



Looks somewhat familiar :




UserPostedImage



and no comments about the current unfinished utility area on the left please AlanFlapper
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#191 Posted : 21 May 2020 07:29:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PJMärklin Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
No others takers so far, so here's one I came up with this evening... both of the mainlines can reach any of the six platforms

Screen Shot 2020-05-18 at 10.33.04 PM.jpg



Looks somewhat familiar :




UserPostedImage


The perfect example of why I miss the schlanke double-slip in C track. This is exactly what you would do (love your layout), and if you look at my plan above the two wonky curved "arms" leading to the outermost platforms are only necessary because the schlanke double-slip don't exist.

- Herman
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#192 Posted : 28 May 2020 16:02:06(UTC)
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And here's today's dumb question BigGrin

Just wondering whether anyone has any experience of the visual difference between the 74470 Turnout Lanterns and the newer 74471 Warm White version ?

I guess the warm white LED's would be a little less bright and a bit more subdued when lit.

Oops ... just noted that it seems these aren't deliverable from Marklin yet Blushing

Edited by user 28 May 2020 22:33:12(UTC)  | Reason: Additional research ...

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