marklin-users.net community | Forum

 
Welcome to the forum   
Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error
Question Digital - 6035 Control not working properly
Share
Options
View
Go to last post in this topic Go to first unread post in this topic
Previous Topic Next Topic
Offline SvenM  
#1 Posted : 08 March 2020 05:31:05(UTC)
Retweet
SvenM

Australia   
Joined: 22/12/2019(UTC)
Posts: 8
Location: New South Wales, Sydney
Hi All,

I have tried searching through the various topics and have not been able to find a winner so, knowing that there are so many clever people here, I would try my luck and hope that someone could help.

I am running an old digital system (with K-Track) with a 6002 transformer, a 6020 control unit and a 6035 control 80. When I connect everything, all the lights come on on the various units and then, something strange happens: I put a loco on the track and off it goes—I can't stop it, control it or bring up the numbers on the display (it stays blank). I have tried pushing stop and go (because I read that that would reset one of the other controllers) at the same time and thought, what have I got to lose, that didn't work.

I am wondering also whether there is something wrong internally? I set up the track and found that I had short circuit (which I have since fixed by pulling everything apart). Could this have fried something?

Hoping someone could help please?

Thanks,
Sven
Back to top

Wish to join the discussion?! Login to your marklin-users.net community | Forum accountor Register a new forum account. Or Connect via Facebook  
Back to top  
Offline Dave Banks  
#2 Posted : 08 March 2020 08:35:01(UTC)
Retweet
Dave Banks

Australia   
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC)
Posts: 1,026
Location: Gold Coast, Australia.
Sven just have a look through this old thread. It may be of some help:

https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...my-Dad-s-Marklin-digital
D.A.Banks
Back to top
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by Dave Banks
Offline SvenM  
#3 Posted : 08 March 2020 08:54:20(UTC)
Retweet
SvenM

Australia   
Joined: 22/12/2019(UTC)
Posts: 8
Location: New South Wales, Sydney
Thanks Dave. I will check it out.
Back to top
Offline JohnjeanB  
#4 Posted : 08 March 2020 12:15:22(UTC)
Retweet
JohnjeanB

France   
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC)
Posts: 3,115
Location: Paris, France
Hi Sven
I am not cleverBigGrin.
On the early digital units (back in 1985) there was no detection of model id (like with MFX) so you have to enter the digital number of your loco.
You may also experience some contact issues on your 6035 ("control 80") preventing you to switch off the current
Warning: never connect the transformer output (yellow and brown posts to the 6020 (control unit) track output (red and brown posts) it will kill the Control unit.

So if I understand correctly your set up is:
- 6002 transformer
- 6020 control unit
- 6035 control 80
Assuming they are correctly connected:
- is the red LED on the transformer 6002 on when you plug it?
- can you turn on and off the power (the red LED on your control unit)?
- can you enter digital numbers on your control 80 and do they show?
- when you install a digital loco and turn the power on what happens? (Normally nothing. If the loco runs full speed, it is not digital)

Notes:
- on this early digital system, there was no direction bit so a loco could run in the reverse direction
- the behavior of the system may be affected by aging large electrolyte capacitors (reduced value and reduced insulation)
If you are interested I can send you a 1985 Märklin catalog electronic copy by Private Message. (I cannot attach it here to avoid copyright issues)
Cheers
Jean
My layout videos
latest vid
marshalling yard
My Layout
Back to top
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by JohnjeanB
Offline fkowal  
#5 Posted : 08 March 2020 13:15:29(UTC)
Retweet
fkowal

Canada   
Joined: 01/02/2012(UTC)
Posts: 69
Location: Toronto
Sven, immediate uncontrolled top speed running of a locomotive on a digital layout is a sign that the locomotive does NOT have a digital decoder in it. It is analog. Remove the loco’s housing and post a photo so we may confirm.
Back to top
thanks 2 users liked this useful post by fkowal
Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 09 March 2020 05:08:26(UTC)
Retweet
kiwiAlan

United Kingdom   
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC)
Posts: 8,103
Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
Originally Posted by: fkowal Go to Quoted Post
Sven, immediate uncontrolled top speed running of a locomotive on a digital layout is a sign that the locomotive does NOT have a digital decoder in it. It is analog. Remove the loco’s housing and post a photo so we may confirm.


OR - as seems to be a possibility from his description - the output of the control unit has been blown up, in this case by a possible short.
Back to top
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by kiwiAlan
Offline Purellum  
#7 Posted : 09 March 2020 05:29:12(UTC)
Retweet
Purellum

Denmark   
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC)
Posts: 3,501
Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse
Cool

Originally Posted by: SvenM Go to Quoted Post
Could this have fried something?


Assuming that you are trying locos that are digital and worked before, yes, as KiwiAlan wrote Blink

Per.

Cool
If you can dream it, you can do it!

I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby release it into the public domain. This applies worldwide.

In case this is not legally possible:
I grant anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law.

UserPostedImage
Back to top
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by Purellum
Offline SvenM  
#8 Posted : 09 March 2020 09:19:48(UTC)
Retweet
SvenM

Australia   
Joined: 22/12/2019(UTC)
Posts: 8
Location: New South Wales, Sydney
Thank you Jean, Fkowal, KiwiAlan and Per for your suggestions and help.

After testing the track with my analogue transformer and analogue trains (everything is now working as it should!) yesterday, I went and connected the digital system again this afternoon and, low and behold, some dark magic has happened and now everything is working perfectly! Confused

I agree with your post Fkowal but, the loco is digital and it always happens that the engine goes flat out when I first put it on the track. I then press stop and it does. Is this normal (I am new to the digital system)? I would think not? Confused

Thanks again for everyones' time and help.
Sven BigGrin

Back to top
Offline JohnjeanB  
#9 Posted : 09 March 2020 11:28:38(UTC)
Retweet
JohnjeanB

France   
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC)
Posts: 3,115
Location: Paris, France
Hi Sven
No this is not normal.
Normally you should power OFF the track, install your loco, power ON the track.
Without any orders sent to the loco it is supposed to be in forward direction with speed=0
Cheers
Jean
My layout videos
latest vid
marshalling yard
My Layout
Back to top
Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 09 March 2020 12:02:37(UTC)
Retweet
H0


Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC)
Posts: 15,265
Location: DE-NW
Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
Normally you should power OFF the track, install your loco, power ON the track.
Without any orders sent to the loco it is supposed to be in forward direction with speed=0
Analogue locos and digital locos with DIP switches configured for analogue operation will run full-speed as soon as track power is on.

A blown output on the 6020 might trigger locos to detect analogue mode and run full speed, too.
Regards
Tom
---
"In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
UserPostedImage
Back to top
Offline SvenM  
#11 Posted : 12 March 2020 22:56:42(UTC)
Retweet
SvenM

Australia   
Joined: 22/12/2019(UTC)
Posts: 8
Location: New South Wales, Sydney
Thanks Jean and Tom for your replies. I will have a look and see what I can work out.

We have a weekend with some rain coming up so, I know what I'll be doing BigGrin

Thanks again everyone for your help,
SvenThumpUp
Back to top
Users browsing this topic
Guest
Similar Topics
Digital wiring (Digital)
by Mjn2ts 09/04/2024 00:45:26(UTC)
Converting digital to analog (!) (H0-scale)
by Jay Zvolanek 28/03/2024 05:15:04(UTC)
Roco 69618 AC digital (MFX decoder) br118 won't work on digital (H0-scale)
by Lev.Sever 18/03/2024 23:39:27(UTC)
70412 and 70421 digital light signal equipments (Digital)
by biswasg 14/03/2024 14:58:20(UTC)
Digital conversion of 4-6-2 steam loco from 1961 (Digital)
by Bcur 28/02/2024 17:56:38(UTC)
Custom smoke generator for digital use (Digital)
by einotuominen 17/02/2024 11:44:17(UTC)
Digital Conversion of a Delta Ae 8/14 - PC Board Part #? (Digital)
by 5HorizonsRR 06/02/2024 20:39:15(UTC)
Adding digital passenger cars to a Marklin digital engine (Digital)
by Zeeboo04 25/01/2024 17:06:37(UTC)
43630 I.C. digitalcab control car (Digital)
by marklinist5999 23/01/2024 14:31:29(UTC)
29821 digital mega starter set (H0-scale)
by mike@complexplastics 15/01/2024 18:41:40(UTC)
Märklin digital mobile station 1 compatible trains etc (Digital)
by Alex222 04/01/2024 18:57:50(UTC)
ESU 50708 Digital Interior Lighting (Digital)
by Eddie7979 24/12/2023 10:43:49(UTC)
ICE 3370 or 3770 digital conversion (H0-scale)
by StanN 21/12/2023 22:59:50(UTC)
analog to digital (H0-scale)
by Makistrain 16/12/2023 00:09:00(UTC)
Digital Signal 76393 (Digital)
by Flupke 20/11/2023 15:19:18(UTC)
Where to start - Analog to Digital (Digital)
by Aussie Susan 08/11/2023 02:11:05(UTC)
Digital Engines on Analog Layout (H0-scale)
by FastEddie 19/10/2023 00:08:49(UTC)
Rocco AC Rail on Marklin digital (Digital)
by Zeeboo04 28/09/2023 22:06:47(UTC)
Newbie Digital Guy with issues - Nevermind - I figured it out! (Digital)
by Pinballwizard 18/09/2023 21:44:33(UTC)
Z digital (Digital)
by BenP 09/09/2023 16:02:05(UTC)
Digital Transfer for Locomotives (Digital)
by TEEPOL 06/09/2023 15:50:06(UTC)
digital loco with 6080 decoder in analog mode (H0-scale)
by 3104V200 25/08/2023 08:04:09(UTC)
Diamond Crossings digital (H0-scale)
by heinrichhess 04/08/2023 11:44:06(UTC)
noise stationary digital (H0-scale)
by heinrichhess 04/07/2023 02:52:29(UTC)
how much £ to covert a bus digital (H0-scale)
by heinrichhess 01/07/2023 00:46:47(UTC)
Time to go digital? (Digital)
by MtrackJai 23/06/2023 18:00:31(UTC)
how to identify a digital loco (H0-scale)
by heinrichhess 07/06/2023 21:38:51(UTC)
Trouble with digital loco 37691 (General MRR)
by polabear 05/06/2023 18:02:05(UTC)
Hag digital conversion (General MRR)
by mvd71 06/05/2023 05:58:50(UTC)
Unknown digital unit connected to straight tracks (Model railroad wiring)
by 3030guy 10/04/2023 10:54:30(UTC)
Digital (Digital)
by Tie 27/03/2023 20:48:25(UTC)
ESU Digital Lighting 50708 with MFX+ (Digital)
by Kiko 25/03/2023 22:52:53(UTC)
digital 74461 with 72710 controlbox (General MRR)
by gladop 10/03/2023 23:14:20(UTC)
Märklin My World loco on Digital layout; what’s the address? (Digital)
by Max J 09/03/2023 23:31:11(UTC)
Wowie Zowie! Faller digital car system ... (General MRR)
by thing fish 03/03/2023 08:34:41(UTC)
Two new digital cab control (Digital)
by Goofy 22/01/2023 08:35:09(UTC)
Digital conversion of Märklin 3511 (Digital)
by Martti Mäntylä 04/12/2022 17:36:42(UTC)
Digital, m83 (Digital)
by Don Morris 02/12/2022 04:36:48(UTC)
Using MS2 to control Brawa LOK with Brawa Premium-Digitaldecoder version 3.0 (Digital)
by Johnny rum rider 20/11/2022 14:20:16(UTC)
HAG RE 4/4I Digital Lighting Conversion- Swiss Headlight Changeover? (Digital)
by 5HorizonsRR 19/11/2022 21:58:09(UTC)
Pickup shoe for digital driving? (Digital)
by einotuominen 21/10/2022 18:13:51(UTC)
Digital 7186 turntable (Digital components and Software reviews)
by BenP 13/10/2022 17:08:38(UTC)
Can a CS3 run ho digital 2 rail as well as Marklin (Digital)
by Newbie 09/10/2022 05:41:40(UTC)
Can Digital Bahn GleisReporter C track connections/contact track (Digital)
by einotuominen 06/10/2022 10:49:05(UTC)
Märklin Mak Digitalization (Digital)
by rytter 10/09/2022 23:58:11(UTC)
3 way turnout with digital (General MRR)
by Puttputtmaru 07/09/2022 00:29:38(UTC)
Solved a problem with BR80 3404 RAG running digital (Model railroad wiring)
by kimballthurlow 21/08/2022 10:54:25(UTC)
DIGITAL (Digital)
by jens tautor 01/08/2022 01:01:59(UTC)
Digitalization (Digital)
by Marklinisten 11/07/2022 08:56:20(UTC)
Digital Access (News from Märklin and others)
by bugsmasher 25/06/2022 17:00:28(UTC)
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

| Powered by YAF.NET | YAF.NET © 2003-2024, Yet Another Forum.NET
This page was generated in 0.498 seconds.