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Goofy		#1 Posted : 21 July 2019 14:13:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		I did just tested my new digital semaphore 70412 with the Lenz system and it doesn´t work! Return back to the CS3 and it works normal. Seems there are disturb somewhere between Lenz and the semaphore. When i use m83/m84 with the Lenz system it works normal. Why just only digital signal? It is same with another light digital signal i have too made by Märklin. It is 76491. Both signal stand at DCC protocol.
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kiwiAlan		#2 Posted : 21 July 2019 14:34:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,101 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Goofy Both signal stand at DCC protocol. What do you mean by this statement? Have you set dip switch 10?
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Goofy		#3 Posted : 21 July 2019 15:16:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Goofy Both signal stand at DCC protocol. What do you mean by this statement? Have you set dip switch 10? Yes of course! Lenz support only DCC protocol.
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Goofy		#4 Posted : 22 July 2019 08:12:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Nobody who knows why Märklin digital signals doesn´t work with the Lenz system?
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Bigdaddynz		#5 Posted : 22 July 2019 08:45:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		I don't have any Marklin digital signals, but do you have to set up the protocol the signal uses or does it automatically detect the protocol being used? Check the setting of DIP switch 10 Setting the address and the mode of operation with the DIP switches: • Setting the mode of operation with DIP Switch 10 Switch 10 off = fx (MM) / mfx Switch 10 on = DCC (from the 70412 manual)
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Goofy		#6 Posted : 22 July 2019 11:59:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz I don't have any Marklin digital signals, but do you have to set up the protocol the signal uses or does it automatically detect the protocol being used? Check the setting of DIP switch 10 Setting the address and the mode of operation with the DIP switches: • Setting the mode of operation with DIP Switch 10 Switch 10 off = fx (MM) / mfx Switch 10 on = DCC (from the 70412 manual) Did you even read my first topic!??? The dip switch stand on at 10.
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Bigdaddynz		#7 Posted : 22 July 2019 12:01:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Can't help you then, sorry for bothering to try! Everything seems to be so hard for you, maybe you should sell everything and buy analog trains and not bother with digital operation ever again! Then again, you would probably find issue with operating analog trains!
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David Dewar		#8 Posted : 22 July 2019 13:13:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,340 Location: Scotland		Not sure why we should blame Marklin for something that does not work with another manufacturer. While we would expect most Marklin items to work with Lenz etc it is up to other manufacturers to ensure their stuff will work with Marklin if that is what they want. If Goofys signal works with Marklins control etc then why use Lenz. (Nothing against Lenz who were at the start making decoders etc)
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H0		#9 Posted : 22 July 2019 13:50:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,262 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: David Dewar While we would expect most Marklin items to work with Lenz etc it is up to other manufacturers to ensure their stuff will work with Marklin if that is what they want. DCC is an open standard (NMRA) and if both Märklin and Lenz fully adopt the DCC standard then we can expect items to work. If there is a problem with Lenz's DCC implementation then it is up to them to fix it. If there is a problem with Märklin's DCC implementation then it is up to them to fix it. Difficult to determine if the problem is with the DCC encoder (Lenz) or the DCC decoder (Märklin) or with a sloppy DCC specification. Not sure if we can rule out a problem with the customer's implementation of the devices.
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Goofy		#10 Posted : 22 July 2019 14:39:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: David Dewar While we would expect most Marklin items to work with Lenz etc it is up to other manufacturers to ensure their stuff will work with Marklin if that is what they want. DCC is an open standard (NMRA) and if both Märklin and Lenz fully adopt the DCC standard then we can expect items to work. If there is a problem with Lenz's DCC implementation then it is up to them to fix it. If there is a problem with Märklin's DCC implementation then it is up to them to fix it. Difficult to determine if the problem is with the DCC encoder (Lenz) or the DCC decoder (Märklin) or with a sloppy DCC specification. Not sure if we can rule out a problem with the customer's implementation of the devices. Both turnout decoder m83 and switch decoder m84 works with the Lenz system set at DCC protocol. Works also nice with the CS3 set at the same protocol like Lenz. Why Märklin digital signal does not work with the Lenz is a mystery. When i use Märklin digital light signal 76491, i must swap the red and brown wires to make signal work with the Lenz. With semaphore 70412 it will not work.
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Goofy		#11 Posted : 22 July 2019 14:45:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Can't help you then, sorry for bothering to try! Everything seems to be so hard for you, maybe you should sell everything and buy analog trains and not bother with digital operation ever again! Then again, you would probably find issue with operating analog trains! How dare you to start the hot debate?? I did created a topic by asking nice after some help and you fool? If you did read my last comment at the first topic, you read that i wrote signal set at DCC protocol. This to test with the Lenz system. It works nice with the CS3 with the same protocol. Did you get it??
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Goofy		#12 Posted : 22 July 2019 16:27:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		I decides to stop Lenz system. Did tested semaphore hard work and it works best with the CS3. Those who know the problem with the Lenz are welcome to write here.
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David Dewar		#13 Posted : 22 July 2019 16:50:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,340 Location: Scotland		Originally Posted by: Goofy I decides to stop Lenz system. Did tested semaphore hard work and it works best with the CS3. Those who know the problem with the Lenz are welcome to write here. Good idea. Buy Marklin and use Marklin and it should be OK. If not then get it replaced. Marklin will not be that interested if your signal does not work with another manufacturers stuff. Why not go to a Lenz forum and see what they say. You keep changing systems Goofy which I think may cause you some problems. If your signal works as it should with your CS3 why change to some other control just because somebody says it should work. As they say ..if it ain't broke don't fix it... Bigdaddynz did try to help and even if it did not help there is no need for your post above to him.
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DaleSchultz		#14 Posted : 22 July 2019 17:03:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Good idea. Buy Marklin and use Marklin and it should be OK. We have been through that already.... goofy once gave up on Märklin as things did not work for him, then in 2008 he returned to Märklin again: https://www.marklin-user...-Goofy-and-Marklin-again
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Goofy		#15 Posted : 22 July 2019 17:11:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Good idea. Buy Marklin and use Marklin and it should be OK. If not then get it replaced. Marklin will not be that interested if your signal does not work with another manufacturers stuff. Why not go to a Lenz forum and see what they say. You keep changing systems Goofy which I think may cause you some problems. If your signal works as it should with your CS3 why change to some other control just because somebody says it should work. As they say ..if it ain't broke don't fix it... Bigdaddynz did try to help and even if it did not help there is no need for your post above to him. Why do you even think there should be fault with the Lenz system, when problem are signals? Nooo...bigdaddyynz didn´t care to read my first topic and he did asked stupid. Read my first topic!
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David Dewar		#16 Posted : 22 July 2019 17:37:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,340 Location: Scotland		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: David Dewar Good idea. Buy Marklin and use Marklin and it should be OK. If not then get it replaced. Marklin will not be that interested if your signal does not work with another manufacturers stuff. Why not go to a Lenz forum and see what they say. You keep changing systems Goofy which I think may cause you some problems. If your signal works as it should with your CS3 why change to some other control just because somebody says it should work. As they say ..if it ain't broke don't fix it... Bigdaddynz did try to help and even if it did not help there is no need for your post above to him. Why do you even think there should be fault with the Lenz system, when problem are signals? Nooo...bigdaddyynz didn´t care to read my first topic and he did asked stupid. Read my first topic! Why should the problem be with the signal when it works with your CS3 which it was what it was supposed to work with. Why don't you just stop buying Marklin and give us all some peace. Quite frankly anybody trying to help you is just wasting their time. This is another one of your threads that goes nowhere. Telling somebody that their post is stupid is just insulting.
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Minok		#17 Posted : 22 July 2019 20:24:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,310 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		Without a lot of the details, its hard for anyone to diagnose this over a text forum. So the signal was set to DCC ONLY mode via dip switch, according to one post. But is the DCC address set to the same one the Lenz controller is trying to access the signal on?
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pederbc		#18 Posted : 22 July 2019 20:48:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/06/2007(UTC) Posts: 182 Location: Eslöv, Sweden		Just a thought, I noticed years ago that, for instance, the Littfinski switchdecoders wouldn’t react if the incoming signal was connected the wrong way. Could it possibly be that when you use the CS, the cabling is ”correct” and when using the Lenz, the cabling is reversed? I am using the Viessmann signals and they work either way but maybe it”s not the same with Märklin. As I said, just a thought...... Best whishes, Peder
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Bigdaddynz		#19 Posted : 23 July 2019 06:38:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Actually, I had my browser opened in this topic for a while before I posted my reply so didn't see Alan's post and Goofy's reply before I posted. It would be bad enough if Goofy spoke like that to a forum user but to use terms like 'Stupid' and 'Fool' to a forum moderator isn't an edifying sight, so I'm locking this topic. Count yourself lucky I'm not taking it any further. Did you get that??
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