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Offline mike c  
#1 Posted : 11 April 2019 02:27:49(UTC)
mike c

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Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC)
Posts: 6,225
Location: Montreal, QC
The new editions of the Roco SBB EWII have hit the stores this week. So far, the models of the EWII A (74560) and EWII AB (74561) have been released. The pair of EWII B (74562/74563) and EWII D (Baggage) should be released during week 15, which according to my calculations is this week.

The new models have more details on the gold coloured door inserts, including the rubber seal in the middle and the silver coloured handle.
The handrails seem to be the same as on the most recent versions of the 44495/44496 and the 64630/64631 models.
The roofs are painted silver and have the ventilators installed at the factory. Unlike the original 4328S/4239S, which had the ventilator as a user installed part.
I can't comment on the footboards based on the photos provided by Roco or on the web.
The footboards of the gangway connectors appear to be once again functional. On many Roco models over the past few years, the two part gangway was replaced by a single part that did not fold down.
Hopefully the models will include both sets of washroom fittings. On some of the earlier models (64630/31/32/33), the interior had one washroom removed, which was modified for the Papagei livery to make room for a bike rack. That design did not match the earlier green livery, which these new models once again represent.

74560: https://www.roco.cc/en/p...-0-0-003-1/products.html
74561: https://www.roco.cc/en/p...-0-0-003-1/products.html

I was hoping for the following improvements:
1) Optional window insert with open windows
2) Improved interior details with headrests
3) Built-in taillights or mount for SBB taillight
4) Metal handrails (The solution does seem similar to the ones on the Piko EWI (see below))

I will have to wait and see whether the green corresponds to prototype and how these coaches fit next to other SBB models (Roco, Lima, Hag, LSM, Piko, etc)

Today, I also saw the first set of photos of the announced Piko EWI coaches (96782):
http://roundhouse.ch/Gra...ko/2019/Piko_96782-2.jpg
http://roundhouse.ch/Gra...ko/2019/Piko_96782-3.jpg
http://roundhouse.ch/Gra...ko/2019/Piko_96782-4.jpg

These models seem well done. The coach ends are prototypical and the rendering is much nicer (AFAICT) than the earlier Lima/Hag and more recent Liliput models.
Based on these photos, I have increased my order from one set of coaches to two. One set will be used with the second set to make up a 5 coach consist comprised of EWI A, EWI WR and three EWII B. The second pair of EWI B will be used with either my BDe 4/4 (Hag) or the coming RBe 4/4 (LS Models) along with a matching pilot coach. I also ordered a second set of coaches in the NPZ livery. Those coaches will run either with my Re 4/4II/RailTop BDt or with my Piko RBe 540 S-Bahn Set.

The older Lima coaches will probably be relegated to other uses and the Liliput models will likely be retired.

The LS Models WR (Restaurant) and pilot coach (ABt/BDt/Bt/Dt/DZt) models are scheduled for future production.

Regards,

Mike C
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Offline waltklatt  
#2 Posted : 11 April 2019 15:30:23(UTC)
waltklatt

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Joined: 17/03/2012(UTC)
Posts: 129
Mike,
I remember those cars when travelling with the family back in the 70's and 80's.
Still running around in Switzerland today.

I wonder if they Roco/Piko will include the small blade signs with the city names(destinations) for near the doors.
I see the 'bolts' for fastening them on the panels near the doors, but no signs.

If there is a decal or something, let me know.

Thanks,
Walter
Offline mike c  
#3 Posted : 11 April 2019 16:55:16(UTC)
mike c

Canada   
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC)
Posts: 6,225
Location: Montreal, QC
The original Roco models came with a sheet of decals. I don't recall any of the Hag, Lima or Liliput models coming with any decals. As far as the new Piko ones, I will check my RBe 540/BDt set to see if there were any decals included. I do not recall seeing any the first time I took them out of their box.

I would guess that anybody who wanted destination signs, the old Roco ones could probably be used, as well as the decals from Maerklin's light steel coach models.

Regards

Mike C
Offline mike c  
#4 Posted : 12 April 2019 18:08:52(UTC)
mike c

Canada   
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC)
Posts: 6,225
Location: Montreal, QC
I was thinking about the Piko EWI coaches. From what I could remember, the handrails on the EWI coaches with <+> SBB CFF FFS markings were mounted on the inside of the doors. I don't recall there being handrails on the outside of the coach body. The coaches, at least some of them, did have external handrails on delivery (1959-1973). Photos of coaches with the old SBB + CFF markings have clearly visible handrails whereas most of the photos with the new logo do not have this feature.

Regards

Mike C
Offline mike c  
#5 Posted : 28 April 2019 22:28:26(UTC)
mike c

Canada   
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC)
Posts: 6,225
Location: Montreal, QC
I was looking at the photos on the Roco.cc website for the new and original SBB EWII models and noticed one difference.
The new models 74560/61/62/63 appear to have a new interior compared to the originals.

The original models had a single piece interior, which was in either brown, grey or red or red and green, depending on the model.
The new model seems to have the red and green smoker and non-smoker sections, but has a new transparent dividing wall between the sections, as can be seen here:

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I have not seen any photos which show any improvements to the entry steps and the hand rails compared to the prior models.

Regards,

Mike C
Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 30 April 2019 17:11:28(UTC)
mike c

Canada   
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC)
Posts: 6,225
Location: Montreal, QC
Somebody was nice enough to post a photo of the accessories bag on Drehscheibe Online, where you can see the modified entry steps and handrails:
https://www.directupload.../d/5437/7kxopdsa_jpg.htm

https://www.drehscheibe-...9456,8920546#msg-8920546

Thanks Andreas.

You can see the finely detailed perforated steps, which are more refined than the ones that have been used since the early 1980s. I think the first models were around 1982. My oldest ones date back to 1983-84.

Regards

Mike C
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