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Offline steventrain  
#1 Posted : 15 November 2018 09:54:42(UTC)
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2019 NEW ITEMS

29512 MS2 SBB starter train express train with Re 460 (Possible swiss market?).
42870 Dining car WRmz 135.0 Red Livery.

INSIDER 2019

39320 Class V 320 Diesel Locomotive
43385 "D96 Isar-Rhône" Express Train Passenger Car Set 2
43935 "D96 Isar-Rhône" Express Train Passenger Car Set 1

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Offline shannon  
#2 Posted : 15 November 2018 10:58:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post


I assume this model is from Brawa V320.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#3 Posted : 15 November 2018 11:28:46(UTC)
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Brawa?? I very much doubt it.

I don't see Marklin getting Brawa to build their flagship Insider model, unless you know something no one else does.

I just received an email regarding this model - it had the Marklin logo all over it.
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#4 Posted : 15 November 2018 11:43:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Brawa?? I very much doubt it.

I don't see Marklin getting Brawa to build their flagship Insider model, unless you know something no one else does.
The loco that Märklin shows as a "handmade sample" could be more or less the Brawa model.
The Märklin Insider model will most likely come from Märklin moulds, not from Brawa moulds - and there could be notable differences.


I remember the "handmade sample" of the BR 50.40 which definitely runs on Roco wheels. I would not be surprised if it is tender-driven.
The Insider model that was shipped definitely had Märklin wheels.


What we see in the brochure could be mostly Brawa.
Regards
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Offline danmarklinman  
#5 Posted : 15 November 2018 12:06:50(UTC)
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Have you guys heard of cad drawings and three d printing??
Let’s not go down this silly road?
It’s a new mould made by Marklin?? For Marklin fans?
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Offline Leitner  
#6 Posted : 15 November 2018 12:29:04(UTC)
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I don't understand why you claim it should be Brawa considering that Brawa has never cooperated with Marklin afaik...

It's a whole new mould, just watch the youtube video.



I frankly can't understand why Marklin keeps doing these kind of models which in real life were made only in one or two units...
Ep. III (My layout is set in 1962).
I collect mainly DSB, DB and SBB but I'm quite... Open minded.
I'm quite a big collector of NOHAB lok :)
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Offline steventrain  
#7 Posted : 15 November 2018 13:19:25(UTC)
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Offline shannon  
#8 Posted : 15 November 2018 13:52:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Brawa?? I very much doubt it.

I don't see Marklin getting Brawa to build their flagship Insider model, unless you know something no one else does.

I just received an email regarding this model - it had the Marklin logo all over it.


Marklin equips with 2 speakers in the loco, which has the same design in Brawa, to simulate sound effect of V320 combing with 2 different V160 in prototype,

Marklin could delegate Brawa manufacturing this model with Brawa's mould and printing Marklin logo.
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#9 Posted : 15 November 2018 13:57:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Leitner Go to Quoted Post
I don't understand why you claim it should be Brawa considering that Brawa has never cooperated with Marklin afaik...
The first Köf II by Märklin #3680 was a Brawa loco in a Märklin box.

It is not "co-operation" when Märklin take a Brawa loco, add some own decals and call that "handmade sample".


Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
Have you guys heard of cad drawings and three d printing?
I've seen several Märklin "handmade samples" that came from 3D printers.
Regards
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Offline GlennM  
#10 Posted : 15 November 2018 15:19:48(UTC)
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I already own the Brawa model and it's a beast very heavy solid loco with great sound and traction.

So another Insider loco I will not be ordering

On the co-operation front I would assume there is limited re-issue potential for this loco any purpose made dies/moulds, so utilising Brawa moulds would make good economic sense for both companies, just use different motor and electronics.
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#11 Posted : 15 November 2018 15:32:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
I would assume there is limited re-issue potential for this loco
DB, era III, red - V 320 (new Insider model)
DB, era IV, red, 232 001
Hersfelder KB, V 30
TWE, orange, V 320
SerFer, T2716
Wiebe, yellow, 320 001-1

I think over time we will see both DB versions, the orange TWE loco, the yellow Wiebe loco, ...
Regards
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Offline TEEWolf  
#12 Posted : 15 November 2018 18:01:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
Have you guys heard of cad drawings and three d printing??
Let’s not go down this silly road?
It’s a new mould made by Marklin?? For Marklin fans?


Well, if you see the Märklin video, minimum you recognize Mr. Gräßle from Märklin as a great fan of this loco. I guess this explains all other questions, even you see himself at the CAD computer of this modell.

But do not forget: we all thougth the new steamer at Märklin's yard, the BR 44 1315 (as you see it in the background of Mr. Gräßle in this interview), will be the new Insider model in 2019. And it is not! So we all can be surprised by Märklin's choice.Love

By the way, Mr. Gräßle said in the video too, only one (on numbers 1!Laugh ) piece was built. This was never owned by the DB. It was only rented for 10 years by the DB. Unfortunately nothing said about reasons for all this, not really usual circumstances for this loco.

CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
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Offline bph  
#13 Posted : 15 November 2018 19:03:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Brawa?? I very much doubt it.

I don't see Marklin getting Brawa to build their flagship Insider model, unless you know something no one else does.

I just received an email regarding this model - it had the Marklin logo all over it.



Brawa, lets hope not. But even if it partly is, it’s still a nice model.


Surprised they did not include a Piezo vaporizer, but its not an issue for me.
Offline Armando  
#14 Posted : 15 November 2018 21:06:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
I already own the Brawa model and it's a beast very heavy solid loco with great sound and traction.



Glenn,

Is the shell of Brawa model made of metal or plastic?
Best regards,
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Offline steventrain  
#15 Posted : 15 November 2018 21:31:54(UTC)
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Matching coaches 43935 - 419.99 EUR and 43385 - 249.99 EUR.

All fitting with LED lighting and 10 figures per coach.
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Offline TEEWolf  
#16 Posted : 16 November 2018 00:34:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Matching coaches 43935 - 419.99 EUR and 43385 - 249.99 EUR.

All fitting with LED lighting and 10 figures per coach.


Sorry Steve, the Märklin flyer quotes a price of 429,99 €. The BR 65 Insider (39650) is listed with 419,99 €.

But interesting too, the 3 Silberlinge (41275) Insider cost 299,99 €. The 3 Swiss Insider (43385) coaches shall cost 249,99 €. Both with LED interior lights, conduct couplers and figures. Really no differences in the equipment, but in the price.
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#17 Posted : 16 November 2018 00:38:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post

Surprised they did not include a Piezo vaporizer, but its not an issue for me.


Me too, considering the price of the loco I am surprised it doesn't have more features.

I am already aware of at least one dealer quoting at least Euro 50 discount off the loco price, and similar percentages for the coaches. I won't be surprised if the street price falls even further.

The coaches are horrendously expensive for what one gets - yes there are 10 figures per coach, and lighting, but that doesn't explain the per coach cost, these are wagons that are already in the range, or have been in the past, I don't see anything special about them.

Offline MaerklinLife  
#18 Posted : 16 November 2018 05:52:29(UTC)
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Guys! It is a completely new design. This is not a BRAWA model. Look at the video!

Also: You can clearly see the hand made model running is 3D printed. Including the boggies! Nothing BRAWA about it.

The "could it be BRAWA" surely gets traction fast...
Offline QQQ1970  
#19 Posted : 16 November 2018 06:43:32(UTC)
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Watched Marklin TV extra 26. V320 diesel lok with 4 working roof fans. There is a link to insider club. This could be 2019 insider lok.
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#20 Posted : 16 November 2018 06:59:45(UTC)
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Yawn. They already presented this as the Insider model.
Regards
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#21 Posted : 16 November 2018 07:26:42(UTC)
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Guys! It is a completely new design. This is not a BRAWA model. Look at the video!
I looked at the PDF file first. Now I also watched the video.

I see one model in the video, obviously coming from a 3D printer and with decals.
I see one model in the PDF - and it does not look like 3D printed and it does not look like having decals. The body of this photo model could well be Brawa IMHO - maybe with 3D printed truck frames. Maybe the photo was doctored and photoshopped to remove the 3D printed look? Or are the two different models - a photo model and a video model?
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#22 Posted : 16 November 2018 08:37:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 Go to Quoted Post
This could be 2019 insider lok.



Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Yawn. They already presented this as the Insider model.



Obviously missed the original thread. I have merged with this one!
Offline GlennM  
#23 Posted : 16 November 2018 10:12:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Armando Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
I already own the Brawa model and it's a beast very heavy solid loco with great sound and traction.



Glenn,

Is the shell of Brawa model made of metal or plastic?


Armando

IIRC it is a metal chassis but the top body portion is plastic

Here is a couple of videos of the Brawa version running





BR
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Offline MaerklinLife  
#24 Posted : 16 November 2018 10:28:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Maybe the photo was doctored and photoshopped to remove the 3D printed look? Or are the two different models - a photo model and a video model?


I find it hard to believe that Märklin would present a BRAWA model as their own design in a printed brochure.

Surely it is the 3D printed model that has been shined up for the brochure. It is very easy to blur those imperfections away. Like so many times before.
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Online H0  
#25 Posted : 16 November 2018 14:08:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Go to Quoted Post
I find it hard to believe that Märklin would present a BRAWA model as their own design in a printed brochure.
In the case of the BR 50.40 they did it with a Roco model, maybe modified with Weinert parts.
I don't find it hard to believe that they could have played the same trick with a Brawa model this time. It's just speculation on my part.
Once the model has been shipped, someone will be able to put Märklin and Brawa side by side and compare them with the photos from the brochure...
Regards
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Offline Minok  
#26 Posted : 16 November 2018 22:03:53(UTC)
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Wow. Just wow. You guys are giving the Apple fanboys a run for their money on tea leaf reading into things and over-examination of possible questions.
In my mind, what the hand-built model is (be it a Brawa, or a 3d printed version on top of a Brawa or some other chasis given the very non-smooth surfaces I saw).. does it really matter? The model when it comes next year; thats what matters.

That Märklin puts out such unusual locomotives regularly (where there were 1, 2 ,small number in existence) is odd, but it provides the benefit to me of not being in the market for it (saves me money), does satisfy some that are fans with a unique thing (the blue BR 110.3 with the white chevrons is another). For the pure collector its great because its unique things and drives the collection bug. So I'll not be getting it as I've got no relation whatsoever to it, no desire, and set aside some funds to the pool for an ICE4 or something I do have an emotional connection with.

Its all good.
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Offline TEEWolf  
#27 Posted : 17 November 2018 01:11:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 Go to Quoted Post
Watched Marklin TV extra 26. V320 diesel lok with 4 working roof fans. There is a link to insider club. This could be 2019 insider lok.


Here is the Märklin database entry. With the yellow star and remark only for club members.

https://www.maerklin.de/...rpdb_pi1%5BnoPaging%5D=1
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
Offline Minok  
#28 Posted : 17 November 2018 01:33:45(UTC)
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FYI there is still a magazine issue which has a focus article on the 320 available:

https://www.ekshop.de/ze...pecial/Mythos-V-320.html

German only I think
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Offline TEEWolf  
#29 Posted : 17 November 2018 02:14:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
FYI there is still a magazine issue which has a focus article on the 320 available:

https://www.ekshop.de/ze...pecial/Mythos-V-320.html

German only I think
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Thanks - German is not my major problem. But I saved 12,50 € and read the Wikipedia story about the V 320 alias Henschel DH 4000.Smile

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henschel_DH_4000

Interesting, it was transfered to the Bombardier plant in Kassel on August 23rd, 2017. There the locomotive is stored and not be visitable for the public.

Here you read something about the V 300 alias Krauss-Maffei ML 2200 C’C’, which also had 6 axles.

https://de.wikipedia.org...200_C%E2%80%99C%E2%80%99

CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
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#30 Posted : 17 November 2018 10:27:27(UTC)
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Here you read something about the V 300 alias Krauss-Maffei ML 2200 C’C’, which also had 6 axles.
This loco was called V 300 after the conversion to ML 3000 C'C'. Märklin made four different liveries with that mould.
There also is an English page on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org...-Maffei_ML_2200_C%27C%27

Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
The model when it comes next year; thats what matters.
Right. But you have to order now. What you see now is not always what you get next year. I stopped pre-ordering Insider models after too many disappointments.
As a member of the Outsider club you can still order next year when you see on eBay what you will get - after reading some reviews.
Regards
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Offline David Dewar  
#31 Posted : 17 November 2018 12:52:41(UTC)
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Not a member of the Insider thingy but can get any of the models from my dealer. Many who pre order do not in the end buy them I am told. However although a nice model this one is not for me.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline RayF  
#32 Posted : 17 November 2018 13:34:41(UTC)
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I'm a big fan of the V160 family so this loco is one that's always been on my wish list.

I will look out for it on eBay once the "Insiders" have had their fill! BigGrin
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Offline GlennM  
#33 Posted : 17 November 2018 13:42:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
I would assume there is limited re-issue potential for this loco
DB, era III, red - V 320 (new Insider model)
DB, era IV, red, 232 001
Hersfelder KB, V 30
TWE, orange, V 320
SerFer, T2716
Wiebe, yellow, 320 001-1

I think over time we will see both DB versions, the orange TWE loco, the yellow Wiebe loco, ...


I appreciate the various liveries, but IIRC there was only ever one of this loco, and having one in Era III livery I do not honestly see the need to buy another.

Time will tell
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Offline TEEWolf  
#34 Posted : 17 November 2018 17:35:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Not a member of the Insider thingy but can get any of the models from my dealer. Many who pre order do not in the end buy them I am told. However although a nice model this one is not for me.


Ohlala David

I am one of this Insider thingy (what is it? Never heard before). Sometimes I order Insider models and then do not buy it. So my dealer is selling it perhaps to you?Smile.

regards

Wolfgang
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Offline David Dewar  
#35 Posted : 17 November 2018 20:50:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Not a member of the Insider thingy but can get any of the models from my dealer. Many who pre order do not in the end buy them I am told. However although a nice model this one is not for me.


Ohlala David

I am one of this Insider thingy (what is it? Never heard before). Sometimes I order Insider models and then do not buy it. So my dealer is selling it perhaps to you?Smile.

regards

Wolfgang


Hi. Yes it is possible to buy insider models from my dealer. I was a member years ago but it was not for me a great advantage.
I think all Marklin people should be insiders and a special loco each year should be offered to all. However if it makes extra cash for Marklin from membership then that is the way to go for the firm.
Being a member of this forum with people like yourself and Peter and others I can get everything I need in advice etc.

All best wishes

David
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#36 Posted : 18 November 2018 11:05:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
I appreciate the various liveries, but IIRC there was only ever one of this loco, and having one in Era III livery I do not honestly see the need to buy another.
Some folks will prefer the era IV livery. Some folks will by both liveries to get authentic era III trains and authentic era IV trains.

Märklin brought 4 liveries for BR V 300, more than 4 liveries for BR 10.
Regards
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Offline bph  
#37 Posted : 01 December 2018 19:43:39(UTC)
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Some pictures of the Märklin prototype can be found over at stummiforum.de
https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=163872&sid=ae16b9df3a4fd5117cae09995c0d76c6&start=75#p1899542

Offline Baureihe 96, DK  
#38 Posted : 02 December 2018 12:33:37(UTC)
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A real monster. With Hp power from 2x1900, 2x2000 and 2x2200 ? Starting tractive power, with ful diesel in tanks lok weight 126 ton, at 41.5 ton ?I can`t remember where i have read these information about Baureihe V320. Is there some that can say yes to these information. A lokomotive i look forward too get from Marklin, i´ve got the Brawa 41311, a realy nice model.
Bedst regards
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#39 Posted : 02 December 2018 13:17:13(UTC)
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The name V 320 reflects that it was planned with 3200 HP (2x 1600 HP), but it was delivered with 2x 1900 HP according to German Wikipedia:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henschel_DH_4000

I didn't find any information about new motors with more power.
Tractive effort is given as 392 kN from standstill.
For comparison: Bo'Bo' electrics achieve 300 kN which is about the physical limit for locos with four axles.
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Offline Baureihe 96, DK  
#40 Posted : 02 December 2018 13:43:32(UTC)
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Thanks HO. But i think that this is "old" news. The 2 motors in the V320 had a minimum power of 2x1900 hp, there was 3 point`s the motors was driven by. 2x1900 was normal, 2x2000 if the lokomotive need more power, and 2x2200 if it need overload. And start tractive effort with ful diesel on tank at 41.5 ton. It was the information with the new motors in the start of the 1960`s. I hope some have more information on these information.
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#41 Posted : 02 December 2018 14:08:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Some pictures of the Märklin prototype can be found over at stummiforum.de
https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=163872&sid=ae16b9df3a4fd5117cae09995c0d76c6&start=75#p1899542



They are better photos than I managed to get. It was quite difficult to get pictures without reflections in the glass case from the stuff behind me.

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#42 Posted : 02 December 2018 14:08:12(UTC)
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But i think that this is "old" news.
This is information from Wikipedia with links to other sources. You do not have links for your "new" news.
You can update the information on Wikipedia anytime if you have links to more accurate information.

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#43 Posted : 02 December 2018 20:44:21(UTC)
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First 2019 new item?

29512 MS2 SBB starter train express train with Re 460 (Possible swiss market?).

>LINK TO Image of 29512<
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/K-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy/Collection of old Marklin from 1950s.
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#44 Posted : 03 December 2018 06:00:14(UTC)
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Hi, without going into whether it is or isn't a pure Märklin model, lets have a look at the history of this loco:

the Bundesbahn hired it for 10 years and at the end decided not to go any further and instead using 2 BR 218 (later development), the loco itself had a colourful history ending up at one stage in Italy and than returning to Germany where it is still used until 2017. she was used as a freight loco and also fast passenger services (160km/h) and later used and converted as a freight loco for iron steel works transportation and the speed was reduced to 120 km/h (not by the DB).
As a model I can't see the usage of this loco as most layouts are quite small and the length of the loco it would look odd when moving around industrial Märklin tracks (maybe restricted to 360° radius). I think it would be also odd to have a maximum of 12 carriages behind it (the norm for most layouts) it would do this by a single BR 218, its another milestone for collectors and display cabinets.
It has been the DB most powerful diesel loco and for this reason it has earned a place in history, the wish list of Märklin enthusiasts has been answered but whether it will be as sensational has to be seen as many wishful modellers have had different opinions about the loco and it could become an issue about the size whether it would fit into their surroundings as the restricted period of this loco (DB) but it doesn't bother most modellers and I'm sure we will see variants of this loco: WBE and Wiebe, the latter one for new track construction work.
It amuses me when modellers (as it appears to be) putting down a specific loco on the Märklin's insider model wish list without knowing what the loco will bring and of course not knowing the end price. its similar (but far from any comparison) when people put deposit down on apartments and they have no idea what the apartment will look like or even the cost and I can only assume the ones who had their wish answered may not be fully convinced this is what they are going to buy.

Again the cost of producing such a model one wonders whether or not some parts are already sourceable and available on the market and therefore reducing the overall costs producing molds for each part ; for instance the front shape of the loco was adapted later by the BR 216, 218 etc etc and may be doctored together by existing molds.

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#45 Posted : 06 December 2018 00:55:18(UTC)
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Activate Brake Sounds....

As Maerklin/Trix Insider, they are releasing a model of the V320 along with a set of DB and a set of SBB coaches for the D-Zug "Isar-Rhone Express"

Has anybody at Maerklin realized that the DB coaches 1:93 with a scale length of 282mm while the SBB coaches are 1:87 with a length of 26mm?
In reality, when running next to the 282mm coaches, the Maerklin SBB coaches should have a scale length of around 245mm.

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#46 Posted : 06 December 2018 01:00:43(UTC)
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First 2019 new item?

29512 MS2 SBB starter train express train with Re 460 (Possible swiss market?).

>LINK TO Image of 29512<


This looks very much like a repackaging of leftover (37464 and 42152/42160) along with MS3, the same way they did the 29485 with 37325 and Gravel Hoppers.
Either way, it will make a very interesting start set for people buying a first train for kids or adults.

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#47 Posted : 06 December 2018 15:41:06(UTC)
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Agreed- a lovely set! And at the same time, I have to wonder how many interested people still haven't found themselves buying a red 460 and a set of IC cars in the white and black livery...

Its and interesting conundrum- as the real railroads start standardizing equipment, and what does deliver is reliable and lasts 20-30 years (or more) it creates a shortage of new model propositions for the model companies. And at the same time, the model companies are probably desperate to come up with something to boost sales...
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#48 Posted : 06 December 2018 16:04:36(UTC)
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Has anybody at Maerklin realized that the DB coaches 1:93 with a scale length of 282mm while the SBB coaches are 1:87 with a length of 26cm?
So what? At least the SBB coaches have the same length scale as the loco...
Did they notice that they mixed the new BR 103 in 1:87 with coaches in 1:94 and 1:97? Did they care? Did the Märklin fans care?
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Offline mike c  
#49 Posted : 06 December 2018 16:52:26(UTC)
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As far as the DB IC/EC coaches and the extra reduced length of the restaurant coach, it may not be true to scale length, but it still makes a reasonable compromise.
Where I fault companies for in this regards is when the height and width are rendered in 1/87, the scale length is reduced to 1/93, but some designer goofs and the windows are rendered in 1/93 (height) instead of 1/87, leaving them too small for the model.

As far as mixing reduced scale length (1/93) models with 1/87 models, the SBB lightsteel coaches appear too long next to the DB coaches and it stands out much more than having a scale length adjusted model in a consist.

That said, I also have to take issue with the markings of the SBB coaches. The description says that the models look like they did around 1965. At that time, the cars would not longer have had the SBB + CFF with FFS under the cross, but would have had the SBB + CFF and SBB + FFS markings with the older coach number, class and smoker/non smoker markings.
The introduction of the UIC numbering system started in 1965 and continued through the end of the 1960s.

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#50 Posted : 13 December 2018 15:35:45(UTC)
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