I assume this model is from Brawa V320.

The loco that Märklin shows as a "handmade sample" could be more or less the Brawa model.
The Märklin Insider model will most likely come from Märklin moulds, not from Brawa moulds - and there could be notable differences.


I remember the "handmade sample" of the BR 50.40 which definitely runs on Roco wheels. I would not be surprised if it is tender-driven.
The Insider model that was shipped definitely had Märklin wheels.


What we see in the brochure could be mostly Brawa.

I don't understand why you claim it should be Brawa considering that Brawa has never cooperated with Marklin afaik...

It's a whole new mould, just watch the youtube video.



I frankly can't understand why Marklin keeps doing these kind of models which in real life were made only in one or two units...

Marklin equips with 2 speakers in the loco, which has the same design in Brawa, to simulate sound effect of V320 combing with 2 different V160 in prototype,

Marklin could delegate Brawa manufacturing this model with Brawa's mould and printing Marklin logo.

I already own the Brawa model and it's a beast very heavy solid loco with great sound and traction.

So another Insider loco I will not be ordering

On the co-operation front I would assume there is limited re-issue potential for this loco any purpose made dies/moulds, so utilising Brawa moulds would make good economic sense for both companies, just use different motor and electronics.

Well, if you see the Märklin video, minimum you recognize Mr. Gräßle from Märklin as a great fan of this loco. I guess this explains all other questions, even you see himself at the CAD computer of this modell.

But do not forget: we all thougth the new steamer at Märklin's yard, the BR 44 1315 (as you see it in the background of Mr. Gräßle in this interview), will be the new Insider model in 2019. And it is not! So we all can be surprised by Märklin's choice.

By the way, Mr. Gräßle said in the video too, only one (on numbers 1! ) piece was built. This was never owned by the DB. It was only rented for 10 years by the DB. Unfortunately nothing said about reasons for all this, not really usual circumstances for this loco.

Glenn,

Is the shell of Brawa model made of metal or plastic?

Sorry Steve, the Märklin flyer quotes a price of 429,99 €. The BR 65 Insider (39650) is listed with 419,99 €.

But interesting too, the 3 Silberlinge (41275) Insider cost 299,99 €. The 3 Swiss Insider (43385) coaches shall cost 249,99 €. Both with LED interior lights, conduct couplers and figures. Really no differences in the equipment, but in the price.

Guys! It is a completely new design. This is not a BRAWA model. Look at the video!

Also: You can clearly see the hand made model running is 3D printed. Including the boggies! Nothing BRAWA about it.

The "could it be BRAWA" surely gets traction fast...

Yawn. They already presented this as the Insider model.

Obviously missed the original thread. I have merged with this one!

I find it hard to believe that Märklin would present a BRAWA model as their own design in a printed brochure.

Surely it is the 3D printed model that has been shined up for the brochure. It is very easy to blur those imperfections away. Like so many times before.

Wow. Just wow. You guys are giving the Apple fanboys a run for their money on tea leaf reading into things and over-examination of possible questions.
In my mind, what the hand-built model is (be it a Brawa, or a 3d printed version on top of a Brawa or some other chasis given the very non-smooth surfaces I saw).. does it really matter? The model when it comes next year; thats what matters.

That Märklin puts out such unusual locomotives regularly (where there were 1, 2 ,small number in existence) is odd, but it provides the benefit to me of not being in the market for it (saves me money), does satisfy some that are fans with a unique thing (the blue BR 110.3 with the white chevrons is another). For the pure collector its great because its unique things and drives the collection bug. So I'll not be getting it as I've got no relation whatsoever to it, no desire, and set aside some funds to the pool for an ICE4 or something I do have an emotional connection with.

Its all good.

FYI there is still a magazine issue which has a focus article on the 320 available:

https://www.ekshop.de/ze...pecial/Mythos-V-320.html

German only I think

This loco was called V 300 after the conversion to ML 3000 C'C'. Märklin made four different liveries with that mould.
There also is an English page on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org...-Maffei_ML_2200_C%27C%27

Right. But you have to order now. What you see now is not always what you get next year. I stopped pre-ordering Insider models after too many disappointments.
As a member of the Outsider club you can still order next year when you see on eBay what you will get - after reading some reviews.

I'm a big fan of the V160 family so this loco is one that's always been on my wish list.

I will look out for it on eBay once the "Insiders" have had their fill!

Ohlala David

I am one of this Insider thingy (what is it? Never heard before). Sometimes I order Insider models and then do not buy it. So my dealer is selling it perhaps to you?.

regards

Wolfgang

Some folks will prefer the era IV livery. Some folks will by both liveries to get authentic era III trains and authentic era IV trains.

Märklin brought 4 liveries for BR V 300, more than 4 liveries for BR 10.

A real monster. With Hp power from 2x1900, 2x2000 and 2x2200 ? Starting tractive power, with ful diesel in tanks lok weight 126 ton, at 41.5 ton ?I can`t remember where i have read these information about Baureihe V320. Is there some that can say yes to these information. A lokomotive i look forward too get from Marklin, i´ve got the Brawa 41311, a realy nice model.
Bedst regards
Michael

Thanks HO. But i think that this is "old" news. The 2 motors in the V320 had a minimum power of 2x1900 hp, there was 3 point`s the motors was driven by. 2x1900 was normal, 2x2000 if the lokomotive need more power, and 2x2200 if it need overload. And start tractive effort with ful diesel on tank at 41.5 ton. It was the information with the new motors in the start of the 1960`s. I hope some have more information on these information.
Best regards
M

This is information from Wikipedia with links to other sources. You do not have links for your "new" news.
You can update the information on Wikipedia anytime if you have links to more accurate information.

Hi, without going into whether it is or isn't a pure Märklin model, lets have a look at the history of this loco:

the Bundesbahn hired it for 10 years and at the end decided not to go any further and instead using 2 BR 218 (later development), the loco itself had a colourful history ending up at one stage in Italy and than returning to Germany where it is still used until 2017. she was used as a freight loco and also fast passenger services (160km/h) and later used and converted as a freight loco for iron steel works transportation and the speed was reduced to 120 km/h (not by the DB).
As a model I can't see the usage of this loco as most layouts are quite small and the length of the loco it would look odd when moving around industrial Märklin tracks (maybe restricted to 360° radius). I think it would be also odd to have a maximum of 12 carriages behind it (the norm for most layouts) it would do this by a single BR 218, its another milestone for collectors and display cabinets.
It has been the DB most powerful diesel loco and for this reason it has earned a place in history, the wish list of Märklin enthusiasts has been answered but whether it will be as sensational has to be seen as many wishful modellers have had different opinions about the loco and it could become an issue about the size whether it would fit into their surroundings as the restricted period of this loco (DB) but it doesn't bother most modellers and I'm sure we will see variants of this loco: WBE and Wiebe, the latter one for new track construction work.
It amuses me when modellers (as it appears to be) putting down a specific loco on the Märklin's insider model wish list without knowing what the loco will bring and of course not knowing the end price. its similar (but far from any comparison) when people put deposit down on apartments and they have no idea what the apartment will look like or even the cost and I can only assume the ones who had their wish answered may not be fully convinced this is what they are going to buy.

Again the cost of producing such a model one wonders whether or not some parts are already sourceable and available on the market and therefore reducing the overall costs producing molds for each part ; for instance the front shape of the loco was adapted later by the BR 216, 218 etc etc and may be doctored together by existing molds.

John

This looks very much like a repackaging of leftover (37464 and 42152/42160) along with MS3, the same way they did the 29485 with 37325 and Gravel Hoppers.
Either way, it will make a very interesting start set for people buying a first train for kids or adults.

Regards

Mike C

So what? At least the SBB coaches have the same length scale as the loco...
Did they notice that they mixed the new BR 103 in 1:87 with coaches in 1:94 and 1:97? Did they care? Did the Märklin fans care?

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