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Offline ShannonN  
#1 Posted : 16 September 2018 13:43:53(UTC)
ShannonN

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I'm always seeing for sale Marklin digital steam models in a 2-6-0 with built in tender but haven't seen a 4-6-0 with tender yet. Do they exist or did Germany never have a 4-6-0?
Offline stockerta  
#2 Posted : 16 September 2018 14:27:24(UTC)
stockerta

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Hi,

If I'm looking right, then the Class 38 (Märklin model 3099) is the one you looking for. It isn't digital, but it is a good start.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#3 Posted : 16 September 2018 16:08:16(UTC)
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2C (= 4-6-0) steamers were a “Länderbahn” thing - see German Wikipedia list (covering a broader geographical area):

https://de.wikipedia.org...flokomotive_Achsfolge_2C
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Offline TEEWolf  
#4 Posted : 16 September 2018 17:26:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ShannonN Go to Quoted Post
I'm always seeing for sale Marklin digital steam models in a 2-6-0 with built in tender but haven't seen a 4-6-0 with tender yet. Do they exist or did Germany never have a 4-6-0?


Here you see a picture of the P 8 with describing text

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-6-0?uselang=de

and here you see all 4-6-0 locomotives

https://en.wikipedia.org...tegory:4-6-0_locomotives

And of course had Germany plenty of these locos. Please keep in mind the German Reichsbahn (DR) was founded in 1920 and got its name in 1921.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Reichsbahn

Before they were railways of the federal states exisiting. The so called "Länderbahnen", similar to the US, where you have railways not only by region (see the various "Great Western Railroads"), also by the Federal States, e.g. like the "New Jersey Transit" company.
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Offline RayF  
#5 Posted : 16 September 2018 18:52:48(UTC)
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Do you mean a 4-6-0 Tank engine? You mention engines with built in tender and I believe you mean those without a tender that is towed behind the loco. In English these are known as Tank engines.

I apologise if you knew this and I have got it all wrong!

The Prussian T10 was a 4-6-0T tank engine and falls within this category

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_T_10

I can't find any other examples of German locos with this wheel arrangement.

UserPostedImage
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Offline ShannonN  
#6 Posted : 17 September 2018 00:38:21(UTC)
ShannonN

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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: ShannonN Go to Quoted Post
I'm always seeing for sale Marklin digital steam models in a 2-6-0 with built in tender but haven't seen a 4-6-0 with tender yet. Do they exist or did Germany never have a 4-6-0?


Here you see a picture of the P 8 with describing text

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-6-0?uselang=de

and here you see all 4-6-0 locomotives

https://en.wikipedia.org...tegory:4-6-0_locomotives

And of course had Germany plenty of these locos. Please keep in mind the German Reichsbahn (DR) was founded in 1920 and got its name in 1921.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Reichsbahn

Before they were railways of the federal states exisiting. The so called "Länderbahnen", similar to the US, where you have railways not only by region (see the various "Great Western Railroads"), also by the Federal States, e.g. like the "New Jersey Transit" company.

Thanks for the timeline reference and links


Offline ShannonN  
#7 Posted : 17 September 2018 01:04:47(UTC)
ShannonN

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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Do you mean a 4-6-0 Tank engine? You mention engines with built in tender and I believe you mean those without a tender that is towed behind the loco. In English these are known as Tank engines.

I apologise if you knew this and I have got it all wrong!

The Prussian T10 was a 4-6-0T tank engine and falls within this category

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_T_10

I can't find any other examples of German locos with this wheel arrangement.

UserPostedImage


Hi Ray /Everyone

Please forgive me for not including an image or video to help identify what I'm looking for

Here in Australia it was a QGR (Qld Government Railways) Class B15 which was later converted to an updated passenger class with bigger driving Wheels and larger boiler etc then called a PB15 or B15c

I volunteer on the Mary Ann replica of the first steam engine built at Walkers in Qld (Maryborough) and we also have custodianship of this beautiful old B15c which incidentally was the first of its class to be built by Walkers in 1897 works No1 =road number 299 its last steam run was around 2003 before boiler problems and lack of certification renewal led to its being sidelined for restoration

This is why I am keen to identify a steam loco in Marklin digital of same shape (silhouette) and wheel configuration to run on my new layout that will include the Maryborough rail yards and shed (now closed) demolished in part and run down.

a quick attempt at recording the journey of the Mary Ann from the Maryborough rail yards to Queens park operation area its an old camera that only records at 640 x 480



PB15 running at 5 ways Maryborough



All about B15c 299 here

All you wanted to know about the B15/PB15 class at the wiki

There should be enough pics of a b15 in the many links given from all sources to understand the loco I'm looking for

Thanks for the assistance
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Offline ShannonN  
#8 Posted : 17 September 2018 02:47:47(UTC)
ShannonN

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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Do you mean a 4-6-0 Tank engine? You mention engines with built in tender and I believe you mean those without a tender that is towed behind the loco. In English these are known as Tank engines.

I apologise if you knew this and I have got it all wrong!

The Prussian T10 was a 4-6-0T tank engine and falls within this category

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_T_10

I can't find any other examples of German locos with this wheel arrangement.

UserPostedImage


Best pic I could find without uploading the blueprints which I have in a great book on the loco
PB15 448.png


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Offline kimballthurlow  
#9 Posted : 17 September 2018 03:50:26(UTC)
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Hi Shannon,
As others have pointed out, Maerklin do offer the 4-6-0 with the tender behind as the ubiquitous Class 38.
It has been made by Maerklin in various forms since about 1955?, so it is easy to get one.
Examples 3099, 37039 .....

The problem is that the Queensland engine has boiler, frames and wheels that is so much smaller than the German BR 38, that I doubt it would satisfy your requirements.
BR 38 driving wheels = 5'9" (which concidentally is the same as the NSWGR Class 38 Pacific).
PB15 driving wheels = 4'0"

That is a huge difference.

Deutsche BR 38

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline ShannonN  
#10 Posted : 17 September 2018 04:04:33(UTC)
ShannonN

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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Hi Shannon,
As others have pointed out, Maerklin do offer the 4-6-0 with the tender behind as the ubiquitous Class 38.
It has been made by Maerklin in various forms since about 1955?, so it is easy to get one.
Examples 3099, 37039 .....

The problem is that the Queensland engine has boiler, frames and wheels that is so much smaller than the German BR 38, that I doubt it would satisfy your requirements.
BR 38 driving wheels = 5'9" (which concidentally is the same as the NSWGR Class 38 Pacific).
PB15 driving wheels = 4'0"

That is a huge difference.

Deutsche BR 38

regards
Kimball


Given I can't see any Australian or US 2 rail equivalent I may have to run one of the Marklin close enough models regardless of bigger wheels painted red Laugh I'm a enthusiast not a a nail biting rivet counter who has an anxiety attack if it's not exactly as per the period photograph BigGrin

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Offline Pmare4  
#11 Posted : 17 September 2018 04:25:18(UTC)
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Hi Shannon,

There is a QR PB15 available in HO Scale - the problem is that it runs on TT track.

http://www.pgcscalemodels.com.au/holoco.html

I know a few people here in Brisbane who are into QR modelling and so I have heard good things about the PGC Scale Models locos and rolling stock.

Perhaps you would be better off modelling Wallangarra, and having QR HOn3 1/2 on one side and Marklin HO on the other?

The only QR stock to run on HO track that I know of comes from Wuiske models.

https://wuiskemodels.com...6_42&products_id=117

The loco is not 3 rail but I imagine it could be converted.

Best regards
Peter
Peter
Collecting vintage Märklin from 1935-1970, also Hornby O Gauge
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Offline ShannonN  
#12 Posted : 17 September 2018 05:40:05(UTC)
ShannonN

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Location: Maryborough, Qld
Originally Posted by: Pmare4 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Shannon,

There is a QR PB15 available in HO Scale - the problem is that it runs on TT track.

http://www.pgcscalemodels.com.au/holoco.html

I know a few people here in Brisbane who are into QR modelling and so I have heard good things about the PGC Scale Models locos and rolling stock.

Perhaps you would be better off modelling Wallangarra, and having QR HOn3 1/2 on one side and Marklin HO on the other?

The only QR stock to run on HO track that I know of comes from Wuiske models.

https://wuiskemodels.com...6_42&products_id=117

The loco is not 3 rail but I imagine it could be converted.

Best regards
Peter

Hi Peter
appreciate the links but 600 for a loco is so totally out of my budget I'm a poor pensioner not one that sold a house and is rich LOL

I'm really trying to have some preserved layout of the M'boro area before its all demolished as it is Greens corp who own all the land will be expanding into the m'boro yard destroying what little is left and not under heritage protection.

Our goods shed is heritage listed but at 120 yrs old falling apart we will have to move and have no where to go esp when the current lead in track to the mainline/queens park line will me ripped up for a car park!
when I die it would be donated to the Whistle stop as a functioning concern showcasing the area






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Offline Pmare4  
#13 Posted : 18 September 2018 07:40:24(UTC)
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Hi Shannon,

In that case your best bet would be to modify the Marklin 3099, the model in the link below looks to have the right tender and valve gear. It is analogue though so would need to be converted to digital - a delta decoder would probably do.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/...dfee3:g:zLkAAOSwiQlbnQJY

The smoke deflectors are just pieces of bent tinplate - you can detach them easily by unbending the tabs inside the loco housing.

Other modifications would be to repaint the rods, wheels, tender frames, and tender bogies black, and to overpaint the German lettering on the cab black, substituting a QR builders plate. You could remove the box between the 2 domes, the turbogenerator (?) behind the funnel, and the weird bit between the 2nd dome and the safety valves.

The 3 headlamps on the front of the loco could then be sanded down flat and painted over in black, and the bulb removed. A mock QR headlamp could then be placed in front of the funnel. You could also modify the cab, and put a cowcatcher on the front of the engine. You may have to chop the front coupling off to allow for this.

You might also be able to transplant the air cylinder from beside the smokebox to below the running plate, although from memory the air cylinder is the only thing hiding the motor from view.

Below is a picture showing what I mean.

UserPostedImage

Best regards
Peter
Peter
Collecting vintage Märklin from 1935-1970, also Hornby O Gauge
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