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Drongo		#1 Posted : 05 August 2018 08:20:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,224 Location: Sydney, NSW		Hi everyone I hope someone can help me with this strange behaviour of this loco. According to its decoder the item number is 39009, however, when I look it up on the Marklin data base no such item exists. The decoder is mfx+ so it can't be too old. The strange behaviour is when I set the speed to full speed, the loco moves about 2 cm, stops for about 7 seconds and moves another 2 cms. It repeats this and I don't know what is causing the loco to do this. BTW I have the mfx+ function set at standard so the operational functions are disabled. I've very slightly oiled the wheels and applied a little grease to the motor. Can anyone please shed some light on this problem. Thank you in advanced Greg
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JohnjeanB		#2 Posted : 05 August 2018 10:54:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,115 Location: Paris, France		Hi Greg Your loco is Indeed not listed by Märklin. It is a 2016 special edition BR01 in blue https://www.reynaulds.com/products/Marklin/39009.aspx Regarding the strange behaviour I would try 3 things - make sure the loco wheels are clean and so is the test track (possible contact problems) - make sure that no mechanical issues are there. To do this you need to remove the body and then disengage the motor from the loco to check the free rotation of Driving wheels - reset the loco to factory parameters (sometimes a parameter may change inadvertently) Good luck Cheers Jean
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1borna		#3 Posted : 05 August 2018 21:25:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,346 Location: Hrvatska		Did you try to drive it analogously? Do you have to look at the lever and wheel position, all in the same position?
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jvuye		#4 Posted : 05 August 2018 21:46:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Could be a decoder protecting itself against thermal overload. That usually happens when carbon from the (too soft) brush material fills up the gaps on the motor commutator. With the type of motor used on these, It's hard to fix that problem yourself, unless you know how to take the can motor apart and check it. Otherwise, IMHO time to get a pro take a look at the engine.
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anthpao		#5 Posted : 05 August 2018 23:18:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/01/2010(UTC) Posts: 125 Location: Thessaloniki, Greece		The loco is fine. The decoder is fine. You just have to refuel your loco with sand, water and coal in "World of Operation" mode before you disable this mode by using a CS2 or CS3. Hope this fix your problem.
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mvd71		#6 Posted : 06 August 2018 05:18:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,719 Location: Auckland,		If the world of operation mode proves not to be the problem, check the smoke unit if one is fitted. As Jacques said, the decoder can protect itself from overload. I had this on a "faulty" BR39 I purchased years ago. In the manual it was quite specific about the smoke unit orientation when installing, and the previous owner had put it 180 degrees out, causing the overload situation Jacques describes. And the symptoms were the same as yours. Taking out the smoke unit (if fitted) would test the theory. Or alternately removing the loco body to isolate shorts through the body of the loco.
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Drongo		#7 Posted : 06 August 2018 07:14:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,224 Location: Sydney, NSW		Originally Posted by: anthpao The loco is fine. The decoder is fine. You just have to refuel your loco with sand, water and coal in "World of Operation" mode before you disable this mode by using a CS2 or CS3. Hope this fix your problem. Thanks for the tip, however this didn't fix the problem - ANOTHER locomotive back to Marklin. After all, I do have to keep up my average of returning at least ONE loco every month.
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mvd71		#8 Posted : 06 August 2018 07:38:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,719 Location: Auckland,		Greg, have you lifted the body off and tried it then?
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Torrid		#9 Posted : 09 August 2018 16:23:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/04/2017(UTC) Posts: 15 Location: Gauteng, Johannesburg		ARE YOU USING RAILROAD & CO SOFTWARE, I HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR ASKING THIS?
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Drongo		#10 Posted : 10 August 2018 13:11:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,224 Location: Sydney, NSW		Originally Posted by: Torrid ARE YOU USING RAILROAD & CO SOFTWARE, I HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR ASKING THIS? I do have Railroad & Co. software, however, at the moment I'm not using it. All I have is a test track connected to an EcoS. Does this help you?
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Torrid		#11 Posted : 10 August 2018 15:38:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/04/2017(UTC) Posts: 15 Location: Gauteng, Johannesburg		Hi, okay TC then does not apply. I have had a number of decoders "Marklin MFX become unstable when adding the new locos on the system, they jerk, lights flash and so on. A fix to this seems to be to reboot the CS3 or add the new locos via the listen feature on Railroad on Co. Unfortunately under listen you need to manually add the loco functions. After 20 months with the CS3 I have not foud a really good solution? I doubt the Ecos will have this problem?
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Drongo		#12 Posted : 16 August 2018 12:11:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,224 Location: Sydney, NSW		The problem has been found - it's a faulty motor. Back to Marklin service under warranty
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steventrain		#13 Posted : 16 August 2018 18:28:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: Drongo The problem has been found - it's a faulty motor. Back to Marklin service under warranty Don't worry, It will take about 1-2 months time.
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kiwiAlan		#14 Posted : 16 August 2018 18:43:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,103 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: steventrain Originally Posted by: Drongo The problem has been found - it's a faulty motor. Back to Marklin service under warranty Don't worry, It will take about 1-2 months time. If you are lucky, from what I have heard, and am in the process of experiencing with my Insider railbus ...
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Torrid		#15 Posted : 16 August 2018 19:44:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/04/2017(UTC) Posts: 15 Location: Gauteng, Johannesburg		Good luck, I have never had to send a Marklin loco for repair. Once I returned an ESU locomotive for repairs, their after sales service was spectacular, apart from postal delays actual time with ESU was 2 days.
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Drongo		#16 Posted : 17 August 2018 12:48:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,224 Location: Sydney, NSW		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: steventrain Originally Posted by: Drongo The problem has been found - it's a faulty motor. Back to Marklin service under warranty Don't worry, It will take about 1-2 months time. If you are lucky, from what I have heard, and am in the process of experiencing with my Insider railbus ... If I'm lucky ??? And don't worry, it'll take about 1-2 months time???? Are you joking. The last 2 locos I sent back, Marklin refused to repair them under warranty as they were "dirty" and had been "used too much". Also, it took them 2 months to let me know about this. I've asked to have them returned, without any repairs, and it's been nearly 1 month. Frankly, I think the service department is inundated with warranty work and that's why they need to build a new service area.
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dickinsonj		#17 Posted : 02 September 2018 02:06:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan If you are lucky, from what I have heard, and am in the process of experiencing with my Insider railbus ... My Insider VT 95.9 failed very quickly - after just two weeks. It turns out that I was lucky - it was only six months until I had mine back. It seems like a large number of those models have had serious PCB issues which have caused many costly warranty trips. My dealer just tries to cheer me up by reminding me that I have five years to keep sending it back. On a plus note it has been perfect since it came back to me, almost two years ago - fingers crossed because it is a beautiful model.
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kiwiAlan		#18 Posted : 02 September 2018 12:32:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,103 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan If you are lucky, from what I have heard, and am in the process of experiencing with my Insider railbus ... My Insider VT 95.9 failed very quickly - after just two weeks. It turns out that I was lucky - it was only six months until I had mine back. It seems like a large number of those models have had serious PCB issues which have caused many costly warranty trips. My dealer just tries to cheer me up by reminding me that I have five years to keep sending it back. On a plus note it has been perfect since it came back to me, almost two years ago - fingers crossed because it is a beautiful model. Oh, that is good. Mine failed on its first run, after about a couple of hours. However I have now been informed by Lokshop that it is back from warranty repair, so will come with my next shipment. So that makes it about 4 months to repair.
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