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Offline Goofy  
#1 Posted : 16 August 2018 11:05:05(UTC)
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I see that some new locomotive do have extra contact feeder to the wheels.
One example is BR 193 37872.
I did read the manual and do see in sketch of the locomotive.
Will this mean Märklin do have poorly contact on the rail and adjust with extra copper feeder?
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 16 August 2018 12:50:37(UTC)
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Hi Goofy

I Don't have this BR 193 but I have another example the SNCF 241 A 65 which has wheel current pick-up on 2 front driving axles and on the rear 2 tender axles.
It seems this evolution is coming from joint Märklin- Trix developments where 2 rails and 3 rails design differences are kept to a minimum.
So Märklin uses now current pick-up on locomotives more than before. Märklin is not better / worse than others but with aging (corrosion, dirt) locomotives need serious cleaning and check about wheel contacts (example VT 798 item 39970 -Schienenbus with C sine).

So a good practice on top of keeping rails and wheels clean is to check mass continuity with an ohmmeter (I discovered that a BR 45 item 37450 was supposed to have current pick-up not only from tender wheels but also from loco wheels). This helps discovering wheel pick-up failures or brocken cables
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Offline Purellum  
#3 Posted : 16 August 2018 14:26:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Will this mean Märklin do have poorly contact on the rail and adjust with extra copper feeder?


No BigGrin

( The extra contacts is not going to the rails. )

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Offline Goofy  
#4 Posted : 16 August 2018 15:01:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Will this mean Märklin do have poorly contact on the rail and adjust with extra copper feeder?


No BigGrin

( The extra contacts is not going to the rails. )

Per.

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The wheels is not isolated from the locomotives under frame so there is no reason of why with extra copper feeder as wheels contact for the Märklin locomotive.
The wheels feeds contact to the copper feeder? (If the wheels are isolated from together?)

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Offline David Dewar  
#5 Posted : 16 August 2018 16:51:26(UTC)
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Not too sure what this is about but I just clean the loco wheels and slider and track from time to time.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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#6 Posted : 16 August 2018 16:52:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
The wheels is not isolated from the locomotives under frame so there is no reason of why with extra copper feeder as wheels contact for the Märklin locomotive.


One side is; JohnjeanB told you why.

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Offline Goofy  
#7 Posted : 16 August 2018 17:53:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post


Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
The wheels is not isolated from the locomotives under frame so there is no reason of why with extra copper feeder as wheels contact for the Märklin locomotive.


One side is; JohnjeanB told you why.

Per.



Which model?
It doesn´t says all model do have it from Märklin.
Märklin introduce even power cap for the new generation decoder to help extra contact for the locomotives.
Brawa,Fleischmann etc do have non-isolated wheels and yet do have copper feeder for the wheels too and not only pick up shoes.
If one side of the wheels are isolated from other side like Märklin locomotive it says an rumor Märklin do first step by produce multi-locomotive like ESU?
Just pull off pick up shoe and change the solder wire to two rail locomotive?
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 16 August 2018 18:03:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
If one side of the wheels are isolated from other side like Märklin locomotive it says an rumor Märklin do first step by produce multi-locomotive like ESU?
Several years ago Märklin started using the same wheelsets for both Trix and Märklin models. These wheelsets have plastic axles and the locos have plastic trucks, so they need wheel sliders that make electric contact to the wheels.
The centre-rail sliders are plugged in - and some users converted those locos with a manual switch inside that makes them suitable for two-rail and three-rail operation.

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Offline Goofy  
#9 Posted : 16 August 2018 18:44:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
If one side of the wheels are isolated from other side like Märklin locomotive it says an rumor Märklin do first step by produce multi-locomotive like ESU?
Several years ago Märklin started using the same wheelsets for both Trix and Märklin models. These wheelsets have plastic axles and the locos have plastic trucks, so they need wheel sliders that make electric contact to the wheels.
The centre-rail sliders are plugged in - and some users converted those locos with a manual switch inside that makes them suitable for two-rail and three-rail operation.



But do the model 37872 have isolated wheels or not?
If the wheels are non-isolated and do have contact on the locomotives under frame there is no reason to have extra copper feeder on the wheels?

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Offline Purellum  
#10 Posted : 16 August 2018 20:41:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
If the wheels are non-isolated and do have contact on the locomotives under frame there is no reason to have extra copper feeder on the wheels?


Exactly BigGrin


Now start thinking.................. BigGrin ( Reading JohnjeanB and H0 again might help you. )

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Offline Minok  
#11 Posted : 16 August 2018 22:10:30(UTC)
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This thread is starting to sound like a badly written conspiracy theory. A reason (common parts reuse / manufacturing costs control in Mä v Tr) was given, and then a bunch of "but what if there was a person on the grassy knoll" and "a reddit post said vaccines cause hotdog fingers so ..." Honestly, to me its clearly a sign that Märklin is going to execute a leveraged buyout of Apple in 2023 and force everyone to drive Teslas powered by VW TDI engines with 1980 emissions standards.
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Offline MaerklinLife  
#12 Posted : 17 August 2018 06:44:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Honestly, to me its clearly a sign that Märklin is going to execute a leveraged buyout of Apple in 2023 and force everyone to drive Teslas powered by VW TDI engines with 1980 emissions standards.

...and a slider underneath.

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#13 Posted : 17 August 2018 19:13:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Honestly, to me its clearly a sign that Märklin is going to execute a leveraged buyout of Apple in 2023 and force everyone to drive Teslas powered by VW TDI engines with 1980 emissions standards.

...and a slider underneath.



Yes, its a joint venture with Carrera.
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Offline David Dewar  
#14 Posted : 17 August 2018 20:43:11(UTC)
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This thread started off not exactly serious but the last post has shown just what Marklin have in store for us in the future and it does look good. I have heard though that the Apple deal could come as soon as next year and this will pave the way for a new Apple controller which will not require any wheels to be contacted to the track. However a slider underneath the Tesla ...not a chance as we know it will be catenary driven.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline dickinsonj  
#15 Posted : 24 August 2018 01:38:46(UTC)
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This thread is starting to sound like a badly written conspiracy theory.

ALL of Goofy's threads are always just like that and they are always amusing if you keep the right perspective. BigGrin

I read them for the fun of it all and never, ever to learn anything useful. What point Anders is making in these posts is beyond me. BigGrin

It is kind of like Monty Python for railfans. BigGrin
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So many trains and so little time.
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#16 Posted : 24 August 2018 09:31:25(UTC)
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..

It is kind of like Monty Python for railfans. BigGrin


You ..... are a gem!

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#17 Posted : 24 August 2018 11:46:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
It is kind of like Monty Python for railfans. BigGrin


Better even, Marty Feldman meets John Cleese. LOL



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Offline dickinsonj  
#18 Posted : 24 August 2018 13:11:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post

Better even, Marty Feldman meets John Cleese. LOL

Per.

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Brilliant - I had never seen that before and it is hilarious!
Regards,
Jim

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So many trains and so little time.
Offline Purellum  
#19 Posted : 24 August 2018 21:26:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Marty Feldman Go to Quoted Post
I thought I would like sitting here; but now I'm here,
I find it is not as good as I thought it would be.

I'll sit there.


Somehow this sentence reminds me of someone from this forum.............. LOL

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Offline Minok  
#20 Posted : 24 August 2018 22:02:37(UTC)
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Ah the pre-python days. Its such a shame that across so many television networks in the world there is so much material that was lost from so many great programs.
It was the transition from shooting on film to shooting on video tape, and the early tapes were so massively expensive that after a series/season had aired some time ago the tapes were reused and old programs recorded over. Such old gems from those eras are to be treasured.
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#21 Posted : 25 August 2018 07:30:22(UTC)
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Minok wrote:
Such old gems from those eras are to be treasured: any preference to any member ?

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Offline Purellum  
#22 Posted : 25 August 2018 18:50:43(UTC)
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Such old gems from those eras are to be treasured: any preference to any member ?


I think everybody here treasure all old gems / members ThumpUp

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