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Wirring		#1 Posted : 04 August 2018 13:40:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Hovedstaden, Copenhagen		Hi I have a Märklin steam locomotive BR 94.5, DRG Article No. 37168. According to the manual on the web the locomotive includes both a Mfx+ and a DCC decoder. Since I use at Z21 commandbox I like to shift from the Mfx+ protocol to DCC. Basically I know that I need to change the CV 50 programming value to 4 (or 5,6 or 7) since I need to disable the mfx protocol. In Mobil Station 2 the line for CV programming is overlined. So there no way here. On the Z21 I cant see the locomotive. Anybody done this stunt before ??
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MaerklinLife		#2 Posted : 04 August 2018 16:31:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/02/2016(UTC) Posts: 490		Can't you just call up address 3 and run it? I don't believe you need to disable mfx to use DCC. Although it is a good advise, it should not be necessary. The protocol priority is mfx, dcc and mm. The Z21 does not support mfx, so DCC should be primary. Also keep in mind that since the Z21 does not support mfx, you don't have the luxury of automatic recognition. So you will need to create the locomotive manually. The reason it is not possible to edit the CVs in your MS2 is because it registered the locomotive with mfx. The MS2 only has limited possibility for editing mfx tables. If you switch your MS2 to use DCC only, and manually register your locomotive, you will be able to edit the CV values. No need to though, I am sure it will work if you manually register the loco on your Z21. The DCC address is 3.
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Wirring		#3 Posted : 04 August 2018 18:30:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Hovedstaden, Copenhagen		Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Can't you just call up address 3 and run it? I don't believe you need to disable mfx to use DCC. Although it is a good advise, it should not be necessary. The protocol priority is mfx, dcc and mm. The Z21 does not support mfx, so DCC should be primary. Also keep in mind that since the Z21 does not support mfx, you don't have the luxury of automatic recognition. So you will need to create the locomotive manually. The reason it is not possible to edit the CVs in your MS2 is because it registered the locomotive with mfx. The MS2 only has limited possibility for editing mfx tables. If you switch your MS2 to use DCC only, and manually register your locomotive, you will be able to edit the CV values. No need to though, I am sure it will work if you manually register the loco on your Z21. The DCC address is 3. I have tried different things now: On Mobile Statiuon 2 I created a new loco with DCC and adresse 3. It is not found. Tried the same from the Z21 side --same result. Again on MS2 I created a loco with proctol MM and adress 3 (old part af Mfx I have have read). Here I was able to modify CV 50 to value 4. But it didn't make any difference.. Strange enough it don't seem to be a problem that a mfx+ decoder loco is on the rails when shifting to Z21. The other locos running DCC works normally, but the Mfx+ loco is 'deaf' I have heard that the Z21 would go 'crazy'
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RayF		#4 Posted : 04 August 2018 19:07:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Once your loco has registered on the MS2 in mfx it will not respond to DCC address 3. Go back to your menus on the MS2 and disable mfx in the controller first. Once you've disabled mfx then create a loco in DCC with address 3. (If you want to do this in MM the address is 16 not 3). If this was successful and you can control the loco in DCC (or MM) then you can go to CV 50 and change the value to 4. You will then be able to use it as a DCC or MM loco without it registering as mfx, regardless of the settings on the MS2. Presumably it should then work on your Z21 as well (whatever that is
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kiwiAlan		#5 Posted : 04 August 2018 20:36:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,455 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		You may well need to turn of the Railcom feature on the z21. I have found that this confuses an mfx decoder because it thinks the Railcom messages being sent out are mfx messages and attempts to go into mfx mode, and then doesn't respond to DCC messages.
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Goofy		#6 Posted : 05 August 2018 10:20:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		When you buy an new digital locomotive like Märklin and it support mfx/DCC you have not worry what digital system speaking. If your system stand with DCC protocol your locomotive like Märklin do search after protocol automatic. As always it does stand with adress 3. Call up adress 3 and go the CV 50 and write value. Accept value by click enter. Done! If you did mistake reset locomotive by call up adress CV 8 and write 8 in value. Click enter to accept it. Make sure locomotives adress is correct before you adjust value in some CV adress.
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kiwiAlan		#7 Posted : 05 August 2018 12:00:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,455 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Goofy If you did mistake reset locomotive by call up adress CV 8 and write 8 in value. Click enter to accept it. Make sure locomotives adress is correct before you adjust value in some CV adress. Note that resetting a DCC decoder does not necessarily reset the address to 3. This is NOT required in the NMRA standard. It will reset to whatever address the manufacturer has set up as an address to restore to on a reset. ESU decoders have the ability to set up the reset address when loading a project into the decoder. I suspect he Marklin decoders do the same. About the only time you can rely on the address being 3 is when you get a brand new decoder with no project loaded into it. After that all bets are off.
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RayF		#8 Posted : 05 August 2018 16:01:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I have done several decoder resets on both Marklin and ESU decoders, and the address has always remained at the previous value. All other parameters are set to the default values but not the address.
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Wirring		#9 Posted : 06 August 2018 12:16:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Hovedstaden, Copenhagen		Thanks for all the advices and comments. I have tried my best to test them all --but i am still stucked. I have been stroked by the thought, that since this loco is a part of at starter set along with the "Mobil Station 2" it might be a crippled version with no DCC decoder or even worse with an mandatory Mfx decoder that can not be deactivated. Anybody heard about such things before ? Another problem of mine is that my two 'command stations' are both lightweight "Mobil Station" and "Z21 white edition". Non of them supports programming tracks only Programming on main. Thanks again for all your support Erik
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H0		#10 Posted : 06 August 2018 16:49:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Hi! I had a few problems programming those new Märklin decoders in DCC mode using my Intellibox. In my experience DCC programming with the IB only works after operating the loco in DCC mode immediately before programming it. Using the IB only I cannot program or reset such a decoder unless I know its current address (which is 3 by default). The same issue could exist with other controllers, too, coz I assume it is related to the wonderful priority-based automatic protocol detection that requires 2+ seconds of mfx-free track power before the loco reacts to DCC. The MS2 does not have a separate programming track output, but it uses the main track output as a "programming track" when needed - that's why all other decoders must be removed from the layout before programming DCC or MM locos. I think it is similar with the z21. You are not limited to "programming on main" which has some restrictions when it comes to changing loco addresses. According to product database and loco manual the decoder supports DCC with a default address of 3. Remember that you have to wait at least 2 seconds after applying track power to see reactions from the loco on DCC commands (e.g. turning lights on and off). Until about 2016 Märklin locos typically came with crippled decoders without DCC and even without the option to disable mfx in the decoder.
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Goofy		#11 Posted : 06 August 2018 19:09:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		I use Lenz digital system and it support only DCC. I can handle with all CV adress and write value or and bits. Zimo decoder cannot reset decoders adress via PoM which means programming on main. In this case you must put your locomotive on the programming track by reset decoder. Other manufacture you can use both PoM or programming track by reset decoder.
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Wirring		#12 Posted : 07 August 2018 21:11:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Hovedstaden, Copenhagen		Originally Posted by: H0 Hi! I had a few problems programming those new Märklin decoders in DCC mode using my Intellibox. In my experience DCC programming with the IB only works after operating the loco in DCC mode immediately before programming it. Using the IB only I cannot program or reset such a decoder unless I know its current address (which is 3 by default). The same issue could exist with other controllers, too, coz I assume it is related to the wonderful priority-based automatic protocol detection that requires 2+ seconds of mfx-free track power before the loco reacts to DCC. The MS2 does not have a separate programming track output, but it uses the main track output as a "programming track" when needed - that's why all other decoders must be removed from the layout before programming DCC or MM locos. I think it is similar with the z21. You are not limited to "programming on main" which has some restrictions when it comes to changing loco addresses. According to product database and loco manual the decoder supports DCC with a default address of 3. Remember that you have to wait at least 2 seconds after applying track power to see reactions from the loco on DCC commands (e.g. turning lights on and off). Until about 2016 Märklin locos typically came with crippled decoders without DCC and even without the option to disable mfx in the decoder. So my loco BR 94.5, DRG Article No. 37168 which is a 2017 model equipped with dual Mfx+ and Dcc decoder that will after 2 seconds on the track with power and no mfx traffic automatically switch to dcc. !? Okay I am a newbie in digital model railroad, and I have been told by a experienced model railroader, that the mfx had to be deactivated because it would mess up the z21. Since the mfx does not make any disturbance on the track and I can operate my other Dcc locos through z21, at least the mfx+ decoder must have stopped transmission. But I cannot contact the loco on address 3; I get a message "No locomotive found on that address". In fact I have tried address fro 1 to 25 with the same result, but there is a loong way up to 9999 !! So possible reasons. 1. the loco address is somewhere between 25 and 9999 2. the DCC decoder is someway disabled f.i through the configuration value (Cv 50) that I cannot reach via the mobile station . F.I with the value 8 or 9 or 10 or 11 Would somebody you have a CS2 or CS3 command station fra Märklin be able to do the configuration? Or are there some special software for configuration of decoders ? Again I must say that I am overwhelm with the help and comments I get here on the forum , Thanks everybody
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kiwiAlan		#13 Posted : 07 August 2018 22:26:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,455 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Wirring But I cannot contact the loco on address 3; I get a message "No locomotive found on that address". In fact I have tried address fro 1 to 25 with the same result, but there is a loong way up to 9999 !! So possible reasons. 1. the loco address is somewhere between 25 and 9999 2. the DCC decoder is someway disabled f.i through the configuration value (Cv 50) that I cannot reach via the mobile station . F.I with the value 8 or 9 or 10 or 11 Well, hang on a minute, what address does the booklet htat comes with the loco say is the factory set DCC address? There are times when one needs to Read The Fine Manual. I haven't read any evidence of this happening, but may have missed it.
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H0		#14 Posted : 07 August 2018 22:57:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		You wrote you played around with CV 50. Maybe you accidentally deactivated DCC while playing with your MS2. The address range is 1 through 10239 (a few more than 9999). One thing you can try if you haven't already done it: enable all protocols in the MS2 (default setting), let the loco register via mfx, and make a factory reset for the loco decoder. This should reset CV 50 and may even reset the DCC address to 3. Then try driving the loco with DCC address 3 on your z21. Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Well, hang on a minute, what address does the booklet htat comes with the loco say is the factory set DCC address? The manual says the DCC default address is 3 - what else?
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Goofy		#15 Posted : 09 August 2018 09:22:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		In the Märklins manual of the loco it does stand: mfx DCC MM This is follow in step depends of the digital system stand what kind of the protocol. If you have mfx and DCC protocol in the MS2/CS3 it´s registred automatic after mfx in the first hand. With Roco Z21 your loco registred first DCC if not less you did choised MM? With DCC the adress are 3. If you did choised MM you must call up the loco adress what it stand in the manual of the loco.
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Wirring		#16 Posted : 13 August 2018 21:53:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Hovedstaden, Copenhagen		Okay I ended up with some success ! I came to realize that my loco, which was a part of a starter package, was crippled. It had no DCC like its full price version have. So next step to try was to communicate over the MM protocol. Trying out the default address 16 which was stated in the manual. Created a new loco on the z21 with address 16 and the protocol MM, Then it started to move But it seems that I can only operate function 0 to 3, that includes light, sound on and the long steam pift. Maybe that a limitation of the old Motorola protocol. Thanks for all the comments and suggestions Erik
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H0		#17 Posted : 14 August 2018 07:48:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Wirring I came to realize that my loco, which was a part of a starter package, was crippled. We can help you better if you tell us which loco you really have. Originally Posted by: Wirring But it seems that I can only operate function 0 to 3 The MM protocol only supports 5 functions per address. Some Märklin locos support 4 addresses that allow up to 15 functions in total. It could be necessary to configure the crippled buggy decoder with a Central Station (CS2 will do) to make use of all 4 addresses. The second address typically defaults to 255. So try functions 1 through 4 on MM address 255 and see if your loco reacts.
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river6109		#18 Posted : 14 August 2018 08:05:02(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#19 Posted : 14 August 2018 09:27:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Originally Posted by: river6109 Hi, does this only happens when you're new to digital or are there so many different confusing elements coming into it ? TS did wrote he has little brother z21 and it´s also big difference from big brother Z21. I guess he will have some problem since z21 are limited in functions from the big one Z21.
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H0		#20 Posted : 14 August 2018 13:32:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy I guess he will have some problem since z21 are limited in functions from the big one Z21. I don't think so. The z21 has some hardware limitations, but I don't think there are software restrictions that will cause problems that do not also exist with the Z21. Some controllers have out-of-the-box support for two or even more MM addresses, some do not. This will make a difference with respect to usability and comfort, but does not lead to technical problems.
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kiwiAlan		#21 Posted : 14 August 2018 14:18:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,455 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Wirring I came to realize that my loco, which was a part of a starter package, was crippled. We can help you better if you tell us which loco you really have. Originally Posted by: Wirring But it seems that I can only operate function 0 to 3 The MM protocol only supports 5 functions per address. Some Märklin locos support 4 addresses that allow up to 15 functions in total. It could be necessary to configure the crippled buggy decoder with a Central Station (CS2 will do) to make use of all 4 addresses. The second address typically defaults to 255. So try functions 1 through 4 on MM address 255 and see if your loco reacts. I think that there are probably only these functions. That is about all you get as functions on a basic start set model.
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H0		#22 Posted : 14 August 2018 16:09:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		The loco from the 29721 starter set has 15 functions, but comes without DCC. Just speculating - until Erik tells us which loco they really have.
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TEEWolf		#23 Posted : 14 August 2018 18:53:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: Wirring Okay I ended up with some success ! I came to realize that my loco, which was a part of a starter package, was crippled. It had no DCC like its full price version have. So next step to try was to communicate over the MM protocol. Trying out the default address 16 which was stated in the manual. Created a new loco on the z21 with address 16 and the protocol MM, Then it started to move But it seems that I can only operate function 0 to 3, that includes light, sound on and the long steam pift. Maybe that a limitation of the old Motorola protocol. Thanks for all the comments and suggestions Erik Why shall the loco has a crippled decoder? You even have not yet told which loco you have got. Märklin offers plenty of BR 94.5 locos (such as 37168, 37162, 37179, 37169, 37165, 37160, 29721). As @Tom guessed, it probably is the BR 094 713 DB out of the starter set 29721. In its database Märklin only refers to a mfx decoder for this loco. https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/29721 In your starting post #1 you stated to have a BR 94.5 art #37168. This loco is offered by Märklin with a mfx+ and DCC decoder. Obviously this is not the loco you got. https://www.maerklin.de/...e/details/article/37168/ Which machine did you got? The numbers (and that is the name) stand outside of the loco or inside of the manual. A loco from a starter set does only have the article number of the starter set and not a separate one. But it has always its own name by a different number to all others of this model on the loco itself.
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Wirring		#24 Posted : 14 August 2018 20:23:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Hovedstaden, Copenhagen		Originally Posted by: H0 The loco from the 29721 starter set has 15 functions, but comes without DCC. Just speculating - until Erik tells us which loco they really have. That is correct it is the loco from 29721 and yes the manual says it has 15 fuction, but it seems that using the MM protocol only gives me the 4 first. But those are the important ones. Really I only miss the bell and the short whistle
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Purellum		#25 Posted : 14 August 2018 20:24:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		@TEEwolf: Take it easy; the guy is a new member, and thus not used to us demanding every detail written in a question. I might be that someone sold him the 29721-loco as a 37168-loco. Per.
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Purellum		#26 Posted : 14 August 2018 20:28:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Wirring That is correct it is the loco from 29721 and yes the manual says it has 15 fuction, but it seems that using the MM protocol only gives me the 4 first. No, H0 / Tom gave you the solution earlier; you need a new address for each 5 functions: Originally Posted by: H0 The MM protocol only supports 5 functions per address. Some Märklin locos support 4 addresses that allow up to 15 functions in total. It could be necessary to configure the crippled buggy decoder with a Central Station (CS2 will do) to make use of all 4 addresses. The second address typically defaults to 255. So try functions 1 through 4 on MM address 255 and see if your loco reacts. Per.
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Minok		#27 Posted : 14 August 2018 23:15:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,318 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		Originally Posted by: Wirring Okay I ended up with some success ! I came to realize that my loco, which was a part of a starter package, was crippled. It had no DCC like its full price version have. Erik That is a rather important detail that needed to be clarified first. You initially wrote you had the 37168, which is DCC capable. If in fact you didn't have the 37168 then that adventure just wasted everyone's time. Just because the loco looks the same doesn't mean the electronics are the same. Pulling up 29721 data shows that the loco with that set is mfx, but NOT DCC. So of course you then need to use MM variants to address the thing. https://www.maerklin.de/...e/details/article/29721, shows what can be controlled with what type of controller. You just get the very basics with MM. (like operated by the Control Unit) If you really want more than the basic functions you can always upgrade the decoder in it.
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H0		#28 Posted : 15 August 2018 08:05:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Minok You just get the very basics with MM. (like operated by the Control Unit) Experience shows that you can control 15 functions with those crippled starter set decoders using four different MM addresses - even with a CU 6021 or an infrared starterset controller. The manual does not show how to do it - and in my experience the crippled decoder must be configured using a CS2. Erik didn't give any feedback about trying address 255 with his loco. This should work out of the box - and address can be changed.
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Goofy		#29 Posted : 15 August 2018 09:26:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		The locomotive adress are 16 with MM protocol.
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H0		#30 Posted : 15 August 2018 10:57:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy The locomotive adress are 16 with MM protocol. The locomotive MM addresses are four. Most new mfx locos have the secondary MM address (for F5 through F8) active and set to 255. The third and fourth addresses default to 254 and 253 respectively, but are usually disabled ex works. He got the loco up and running using the primary address. Now he needs more MM addresses to boldly go beyond F4.
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Goofy		#31 Posted : 16 August 2018 11:12:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy The locomotive adress are 16 with MM protocol. The locomotive MM addresses are four. Most new mfx locos have the secondary MM address (for F5 through F8) active and set to 255. The third and fourth addresses default to 254 and 253 respectively, but are usually disabled ex works. He got the loco up and running using the primary address. Now he needs more MM addresses to boldly go beyond F4. But does it work with the z21/Z21? It seems problem with the software of the system maybe. Roco did verified upgrade of the software and new app. I suggest Eric do check if his digital system.
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Purellum		#32 Posted : 16 August 2018 14:19:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy But does it work with the z21/Z21? Why should z21/Z21 not be able to send to different addresses? They can control multiple locs, so why not one loc with several addresses ?? Per.
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Goofy		#33 Posted : 16 August 2018 15:05:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Other with same digital system like Erics do have same similar problem to use more than four functions with Märklins mfx locomotive. I´m not sure how ESU locomotive does work more than four functions in one adress.
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Purellum		#34 Posted : 16 August 2018 16:35:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy Other with same digital system like Erics do have same similar problem to use more than four functions with Märklins mfx locomotive. Can you please explain who or why "other" have a problem with z21/Z21. All the users I know are really happy with the system, and have never had any problems. Per.
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H0		#35 Posted : 16 August 2018 18:09:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy I´m not sure how ESU locomotive does work more than four functions in one adress. For the MM protocol the answer is simple: there is no way. ESU use an enhanced MM protocol with 28 speed steps where Märklin only have 14 speed steps, but they are still limited to five functions per MM address. Using 4 MM addresses they get 17 functions per loco. All mfx decoders I know support at least one other protocol. mfx has nothing in common with MM and not all decoders that support mfx also support MM.
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Goofy		#36 Posted : 16 August 2018 18:38:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy Other with same digital system like Erics do have same similar problem to use more than four functions with Märklins mfx locomotive. Can you please explain who or why "other" have a problem with z21/Z21. All the users I know are really happy with the system, and have never had any problems. Per. It´s an hell big difference between manufacturers decoder and the digital system. With ESU you have to adjust CV 49 to configure with follow adress after the basis adress to control more functions with MM protocol with Z21 or Märklins old system. If you have Ecos or CS3 you can control 16 functions with the ESU M4 in one adress. Not sure about Rocos new upgrade Z21...maybe just only 4 or perhaps 9 functions in one adress by use MM protocol? We are talking about Märklins mfx and it´s not the same like ESU too there is variation and even to program CV adress. Erics BR 94 come from the startset and it´s has old mfx decoder which are limited to control and program with the MM protocol? But this decoder doesn´t support DCC protocol at all. Maybe Eric do have problem with the Z21 this with the MM protocol? Did Eric upgraded Z21 with the latest version? Did Eric reset locomotive and start all over again? Was there success by control all functions now?
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
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Purellum		#37 Posted : 16 August 2018 20:16:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy If you have Ecos or CS3 you can control 16 functions with the ESU M4 in one adress. I don't think you know how the protocol handles the 16 functions, and you never answered my question regarding "other". Per.
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Wirring		#38 Posted : 16 August 2018 20:49:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Hovedstaden, Copenhagen		Hi As far as I could see there is no way to set up a second address to the Loco. I tried just to verify the possibility of address 255 to create an extra loco on address 255 with Motorola protocol and add function 6 and 7. I did not work. Function 6 = bell and function 7 short whistle did not make any sound. Even worse the loco running on address has 16 become a bit 'autonomous' or 'half deaf' --it obeys commands rather random. Thats a new problem.
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Purellum		#39 Posted : 16 August 2018 20:55:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Wirring I tried just to verify the possibility of address 255 to create an extra loco on address 255 with Motorola protocol and add function 6 and 7. You have to use functions 2 and 3 on address 255, that gives you the functions 6 and 7, if address 255 is the correct one and active. Per.
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