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Offline skeeterbuck  
#1 Posted : 02 May 2018 19:26:00(UTC)
skeeterbuck

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I'm in the process of adding a Märklin sound decoder to my older 3032 (BR 81) and ran into a problem that I like to share. I have added ball bearings to the motor before and had tested it with a normal DC power pack just to be sure that the motor was operating correctly. After installing the decoder I went to do a test run and all the functions would work but the engine would not move in either direction. Confused I then re-checked the motor and it ran fine. Confused Cursing
I then thought to check the motor by connecting the leads to the chokes instead of directly to the brush brackets and the motor wouldn't run. So I checked each choke individually and found that one was indeed not allowing any current to pass through. I replaced the defective choke and the engine is running fine now.

Something to consider if anyone here runs into a similar problem.

Chuck
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Offline xxup  
#2 Posted : 02 May 2018 23:18:19(UTC)
xxup

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I usually forget to install the brushes after I upgrade a motor. Everything thing works, but it won't go anywhere.. Must be an age thing.. RollEyes AND if I do remember to put in the brushes the loco usually goes backwards with the front lights on.. Scared Swap the wires and we are all good.. Razz I enjoy doing conversions, but there are days - you know... Blushing

Anyways - some more things to think about..
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#3 Posted : 03 May 2018 03:41:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: xxup Go to Quoted Post
....if I do remember to put in the brushes the loco usually goes backwards with the front lights on.. Scared


Probably something to do with living Down Under....
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Offline xxup  
#4 Posted : 03 May 2018 04:27:56(UTC)
xxup

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That and those weird instructions that state place a particular colour wire on the left motor terminal.. Some motor covers are upside down and so I use the right-hand terminal - and it is STILL wrong.. Blink That's before we get into things like can motors.. I seem to have a 50% chance of getting it right about 10% of the time.. Crying
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Offline river6109  
#5 Posted : 03 May 2018 05:10:31(UTC)
river6109

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Yes it is annoying when a choke is faulty, lucky you've found the problem in no time with me it took a bit longer before realizing it and as Adrian mentioned age has something to do with it, not the age of the loco but the mechanic who is working on it. some of the steam locos it takes a while to undo all the screws to take off the boiler and yes its the brushes I've forgot to insert or it also happened the slider.

John
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Offline PJMärklin  
#6 Posted : 03 May 2018 11:47:15(UTC)
PJMärklin

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Originally Posted by: xxup Go to Quoted Post
I usually forget to install the brushes after I upgrade a motor.


I can now admit that I do that also !!BigGrin

As Nev would say, another senior moment !

Regards,

PhilipLaugh
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Offline skeeterbuck  
#7 Posted : 03 May 2018 12:30:40(UTC)
skeeterbuck

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When I initially had this problem, the first thing I thought that I had forgot to install the brushes but then since I had also upgraded the motor to ball bearings and had tested it out, I knew that wasn't the problem. But yea, forgetting to install the brushes is a classic faux pa.

As to which color wire, the blue or the green wire to install on the brush bracket of the DCM, I've found that the green wire should almost always be soldered to the brush bracket closest to the front of the engine. I remember this by thinking blue to the back as both words in English begin with "b".

Chuck
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Offline Gregor  
#8 Posted : 03 May 2018 13:26:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: xxup Go to Quoted Post
I usually forget to install the brushes after I upgrade a motor.


I feel so much better now...

Performed 24 conversions and in probably half of the cases I forgot the brushes.

I was between 35 and 40 in those days... So not an age thing but plain stupidity....Blushing

Gregor
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Offline dickinsonj  
#9 Posted : 05 May 2018 01:46:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gregor Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: xxup Go to Quoted Post
I usually forget to install the brushes after I upgrade a motor.


I feel so much better now...

Performed 24 conversions and in probably half of the cases I forgot the brushes.

I was between 35 and 40 in those days... So not an age thing but plain stupidity....Blushing

Gregor


I don't think it is stupidity as much as good old fashioned wool gathering. It is hard to stay focused on a repetitive task and IMO anyone who says they have never left out the brushes is lying. I seem to have about a 50% success rate on brush replacement, which really is pretty lame when you think of it. BigGrin

Oh well, I get there in the end.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline Henrik Schütz  
#10 Posted : 05 May 2018 15:46:32(UTC)
Henrik Schütz

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It seems to me that some locos have blue om the back, some green.

Can it depend on the numbers of gears?

Henrik Schütz
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Offline Joe Meiring  
#11 Posted : 05 May 2018 20:22:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Yes it is annoying when a choke is faulty, lucky you've found the problem in no time with me it took a bit longer before realizing it and as Adrian mentioned age has something to do with it, not the age of the loco but the mechanic who is working on it. some of the steam locos it takes a while to undo all the screws to take off the boiler and yes its the brushes I've forgot to insert or it also happened the slider.

John


Excuse my ignorance...... Just what is a choke????.....Blushing
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Offline dickinsonj  
#12 Posted : 05 May 2018 20:49:30(UTC)
dickinsonj

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Originally Posted by: Joe Meiring Go to Quoted Post
Excuse my ignorance...... Just what is a choke????.....Blushing
Joe M
Cape Town


A choke is an inductor used to block higher-frequency alternating current (AC) in an electrical circuit, while passing lower-frequency or direct current (DC). These are added to older motors which were AC in analog operation, but need to be DC to work with modern decoders.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline Webmaster  
#13 Posted : 05 May 2018 22:03:05(UTC)
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These chokes/inductors (sometimes mistaken as resistors since they look similar) are there to suppress higher frequencies to & from the Märklin motors which might cause "radio disturbances" from the motor but also to protect the decoder from sudden voltage spikes from the motor. This is not so needed with high-revving Maxxon DC motors used nowadays in many newer models, but the Märklin FCM/DCM motors (rotating 3-pole, 5-pole) need it.

These chokes/inductors are mounted to the motor feed leads, see this picture by member intruder (RIP) for a clear view of it.

Inductors.jpg
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