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Offline danmarklinman  
#401 Posted : 18 April 2018 21:36:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou Go to Quoted Post
https://www.mhi-portal.eu/rettelswenslednah/2018/18.04./EN_mae_sonh2018.pdf

The news for download


Cheers 🍻 for that👍
Love the auto train💕
Just what I want for Xmas, I will be ordering that from my dealer in Holland, that will of course mean it will then be an autoslaaptrein 🤪😁😁
Marklin and Piko era 4 SNCB , Marklin wagons
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Offline steventrain  
#402 Posted : 18 April 2018 22:06:50(UTC)
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Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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Offline Armando  
#403 Posted : 18 April 2018 22:08:07(UTC)
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Will the folks at Märklin ever offer a retooled model of the current Jurassic E 94?Confused
Best regards,
Armando García

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Offline Minok  
#404 Posted : 18 April 2018 22:31:47(UTC)
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The TEN sleeper cars in the Auto Train car set are a bit appealing for the once across the whole layout nonstop trains - but I'm wondering about the beige roof, is that prototypical? I remember the blue cars rolling past as part of trains in Germany in the early 80's but didn't pay too much attention to the roof (or remember them) but the photos seem to be gray/silver/blue roofs; not tan/beige.

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From Märklin 2018 Summer New Items catalog pg 5



And Märklin did put out the blue roofed variety: 4240
UserPostedImage

I'm just not finding the tan roof version in prototype. What car iteration is Märklin modeling with the latest release?

Edited by user 19 April 2018 01:58:32(UTC)  | Reason: Added link to an ebay photo

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Offline Minok  
#405 Posted : 18 April 2018 22:35:33(UTC)
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The messwagen 39957 - would have been really cool had it been designed with actual measurement capabilities built in to measure an incline profile, distance traveled - which could be downloaded (SD card or wirelessly/USB cable).

The Porsche cars transport looks nice, but its missing what interests me: the 997 Targa, as it skips from 2003 all the way to 2013, I suppose they had to choose a decade representative so they cannot have every model on there.
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Offline H0  
#406 Posted : 18 April 2018 23:17:31(UTC)
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The only item I find tempting is 72794 Building Kit of the Kreuztal (Kn) Gantry-Style Signal Tower.
I've seen the prototype.

The English translation shows the same level of quality we see with all their products.
"Front page" and "engin driver" show great attention to details.
Regards
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#407 Posted : 18 April 2018 23:37:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou Go to Quoted Post
https://www.mhi-portal.eu/rettelswenslednah/2018/18.04./EN_mae_sonh2018.pdf

The news for download


Thanks.

Could almost be tempted to get the LGB halloween gangers Car ....Blink

Offline Bigdaddynz  
#408 Posted : 19 April 2018 00:50:25(UTC)
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I'm expecting that there might be some G1 TEE coaches to match the BR103 G1 loco that was announced in the 2018 new items....Scared Scared Love


Just as well I'm not picking anyone's lotto numbers.......!
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Offline mike c  
#409 Posted : 19 April 2018 05:57:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
The TEN sleeper cars in the Auto Train car set are a bit appealing for the once across the whole layout nonstop trains - but I'm wondering about the beige roof, is that prototypical? I remember the blue cars rolling past as part of trains in Germany in the early 80's but didn't pay too much attention to the roof (or remember them) but the photos seem to be gray/silver/blue roofs; not tan/beige.

Capture.PNG


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From Märklin 2018 Summer New Items catalog pg 5



And Märklin did put out the blue roofed variety: 4240
UserPostedImage

I'm just not finding the tan roof version in prototype. What car iteration is Märklin modeling with the latest release?


The WLABsm166 (WLAB T2S) were originally commissioned by the CIWL international sleeping car pool as a successor to the CIWL SNCF T2 (1968) and were delivered to the participating railways starting in 1975. The coaches incorporated design elements from the SBB RIC coaches and a number were built in Switzerland.
The German cars were delivered originally in DSG red and beige. As the coaches were delivered, a number were delivered in variants of the newly founded Trans Euro Night (TEN) Pool, which consisted of a blue livery with a beige stripe. The red painted coaches also received the TEN markings.
As these coaches were manufactured by different participating companies, there were slight differences. For example, the SBB coaches included models with silver roof or blue roof. The same applied to the coaches delivered to the DB, NS, FS, OBB and DSB. There were coaches with silver (metallic) roof, beige roof, blue roof and even grey roof.

I found this list on Stummi Forum:

WL T2s - 1st Series - Built1975 - Schlieren - Schlieren-Bogies:
CIWLT 6401 to 6416 = DB WLABmz 71/61 80 75-70/71 401 bis 416
CIWLT 6417 to 6449 = FS WLABmz 71/61 83 75-70/71 417 bis 449
CIWLT 6450 to 6454 = SBB WLAm 71/61 85 75-70/71 450 bis 454
CIWLT 6455 to 6457 = ÖBB WLABmz 71/61 81 75-70/71 455 bis 457
CIWLT 6458 to 6459 = NS WLABmz 71/61 84 75-70/71 458 bis 459
CIWLT 6460 to 6461 = DSB WLABmz 71/61 86 75-70/71 460 bis 461
CIWLT 6462 to 6463 = ÖBB WLABmz 71/61 81 75-70/71 462 bis 463

WL T2s - 2nd Series - Built 1982 - FIAT - FIAT-Bogies:
CIWLT 6464 to 6543 = FS WLABmz 71/61 83 75-70/71 464 bis 543

By the time the coaches were delivered, they went directly to the national railways rather than to the CIWL Pool and were integrated into the new TEN Pool.

The OBB coaches were rebuilt into WLAB33s (modified compartments and windows). The SBB, NS and a number of DB coaches were until recently running with the OBB as WLAB32s (only minor modifications). Other DB coaches were sold to Romania (CFR)

I was not aware that these coaches had Schlieren bogies. I always assumed that they had been equipped with MD Bogies, which were the preferred manufacturer for DB coaches since the 1950s.

http://www.historicschlieren.com/t2s-ciwlt.html

The Stummi topic gives this info for the DB coaches:

401 heute bei CFR
402 Unfall Heilbronn 1985
403 vorübergehend CNL, heute bei ÖBB umgebaut in WLAB32s
404 vorübergehend CNL, heute abgestellt/ersatzteilspender
405 vorübergehend CNL, heute bei ÖBB umgebaut in WLAB32s
406 vorübergehend CNL, heute abgestellt
407 heute bei ÖBB umgebaut in WLAB32s
408 Unfall bei Probefahrt 1975
409 heute bei CFR
410 heute bei ÖBB umgebaut in WLAB32s
411 heute bei ÖBB umgebaut in WLAB32s
412 zu CFR? (abgang 2003)
413 heute bei ÖBB umgebaut in WLAB32s
414 vorübergehend CNL, heute bei ÖBB umgebaut in WLAB32s
415 zu CFR? (abgang 2003)
416 zu CFR? (abgang 2002)

Several of the DB coaches were painted in CNL blue and used for night trains to Amsterdam. At some point, they reverted to DB Nachtzug once DBAG took control of CNL and have since passed to the OBB under the NightJet brand. I don't think that the OBB is keeping them in daily use.

It has been suggested that coaches 402 and 408, both of which were accidented, 402 in 1985 and 408 in 1975, might have been the ones with blue livery and beige roofs.
https://www.drehscheibe-...6748,3373957#msg-3373957 (Not much left of the blue one)
Another post suggests that 6403 (403) had the beige roof (if the number is right in this photo): http://www.wagonslits.de..._showpage.php?pic_id=937
You might be able to find more information at http://wagonslits.de in the forum (German) and photos here:
http://www.wagonslits.de.../album_cat.php?cat_id=25

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Offline Leitner  
#410 Posted : 19 April 2018 08:30:44(UTC)
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It's a shame 42999 coach are 1:100, the set is nice but they are so small...
Ep. III (My layout is set in 1962).
I collect mainly DSB, DB and SBB but I'm quite... Open minded.
I'm quite a big collector of NOHAB lok :)
Offline foumaro  
#411 Posted : 19 April 2018 08:44:51(UTC)
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I was waiting for a lot of years for a E 19 with sounds.My patience was over, i bought before about 60 days a brand new 3769 and i upgraded with ESU Loksound 21 pin decoder.The result is amazing.Now marklin give us 39183.LOL Flapper Woot
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Offline Goofy  
#412 Posted : 19 April 2018 09:19:29(UTC)
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Still same old tradition by use old models by upgrade them...
I´m not impressive.
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline Rwill  
#413 Posted : 19 April 2018 09:39:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post

I´m not impressive.


At last you have said something I agree with!
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Offline pab  
#414 Posted : 19 April 2018 11:45:01(UTC)
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Nice models but nothing for me I'm afraid. So saving some money.RollEyes Unsure
Offline twmarklinfan  
#415 Posted : 19 April 2018 12:00:38(UTC)
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Agree with earlier comment, too many recycled models.having said that the Class 110.1 May threaten my wallet. The E94 definitely as it is one of my favourite locos and I have every HO one M has produced.
Offline CarlosAlberto  
#416 Posted : 19 April 2018 13:01:29(UTC)
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One of the things that i have noticed is that no longer catenary power suply for electric locomotives... All of them.
That means using pickup shoe and pantograph at the same time... I don't like that.
A bad move to me, the end of this option.
Regards
Carlos
... 51 years living with Marklin at my side.
Offline petestra  
#417 Posted : 19 April 2018 13:19:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CarlosAlberto Go to Quoted Post
One of the things that i have noticed is that no longer catenary power suply for electric locomotives... All of them.
That means using pickup shoe and pantograph at the same time... I don't like that.
A bad move to me, the end of this option.


Yes, Carlos, I agree. Especially since one can run Loks digitally on catenary. Peter.Cool
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Offline steventrain  
#418 Posted : 19 April 2018 14:35:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: twmarklinfan Go to Quoted Post
Agree with earlier comment, too many recycled models.having said that the Class 110.1 May threaten my wallet. The E94 definitely as it is one of my favourite locos and I have every HO one M has produced.


Don't forget this year 39226 Infotag 2018 new running number E94 218.
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Offline dickinsonj  
#419 Posted : 19 April 2018 14:57:24(UTC)
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My bank account cheers Märklin for bringing so many recycled products which do not tempt me very much to market. BigGrin

It is also a boon to the sellers of older Märklin models which I might never have gotten if they were making more new items which I just had to have. Cool
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
Offline Minok  
#420 Posted : 19 April 2018 17:53:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CarlosAlberto Go to Quoted Post
One of the things that i have noticed is that no longer catenary power suply for electric locomotives... All of them.
That means using pickup shoe and pantograph at the same time... I don't like that.
A bad move to me, the end of this option.


That is the trend. To get more realistic proportioned and detailed pantographs that can be automated the power pass through have gone. Many don't run with the pantographs rubbing on the catenary I suspect except the older analog operators.
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Offline H0  
#421 Posted : 19 April 2018 18:07:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CarlosAlberto Go to Quoted Post
One of the things that i have noticed is that no longer catenary power suply for electric locomotives... All of them.
We saw that in the '80s with Primex models.
You cannot run from catenary if pantographs are digitally controlled. That rules one model out.
Two models are "Märklin Classics". Maybe that's the new Primex?
One model is a museum loco. It's not prototypical to run a such a museum loco.

It seems none of the 2018 H0 Spring new items can be powered from catenary. I don't remember hearing this before.
If nobody complained in the past three months then maybe Märklin's move is good for the mainstream.
Regards
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Offline steventrain  
#422 Posted : 19 April 2018 18:22:59(UTC)
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Trix Summer Brochure.

>BROCHURE PDF<
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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Offline steventrain  
#423 Posted : 19 April 2018 18:29:52(UTC)
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46620 Non-brochure special item Silo wagon "Frankenzucker" RRP 34.99 EUR - Available.

>46620 Database<


The above was from Trix 2015 club wagon but Marklin change to 3-rail wheels as 46620 but now complete sold out.

I order two mine.

Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline CarlosAlberto  
#424 Posted : 19 April 2018 18:37:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: CarlosAlberto Go to Quoted Post
One of the things that i have noticed is that no longer catenary power suply for electric locomotives... All of them.
We saw that in the '80s with Primex models.
You cannot run from catenary if pantographs are digitally controlled. That rules one model out.
Two models are "Märklin Classics". Maybe that's the new Primex?
One model is a museum loco. It's not prototypical to run a such a museum loco.

It seems none of the 2018 H0 Spring new items can be powered from catenary. I don't remember hearing this before.
If nobody complained in the past three months then maybe Märklin's move is good for the mainstream.


Sorry, i don't understand the 1st part of your post;
to me, catenary is a close circuit, like the 3rd rail, so why can't i run multiple digital locomotives?
(if they are able to received power through pantograph?)

Well, maybe nothing did matters to me on the 2018 news about electric locomotives... So i didn't checked it at that time.
But i already had noticed that, today. And it started with the E94 (and identical ones produced before)
Regards
Carlos
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Offline steventrain  
#425 Posted : 19 April 2018 18:42:28(UTC)
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Summer delivery dates.

26605, 37110, 37855, 39193, 39957, 42999, 48436, 48518, 4505x and 60974 - All due Q3

39227, 72794 - MAY/JUNE

39912 Now delivery.
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Offline TEEWolf  
#426 Posted : 19 April 2018 18:43:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CarlosAlberto Go to Quoted Post
One of the things that i have noticed is that no longer catenary power suply for electric locomotives... All of them.
That means using pickup shoe and pantograph at the same time... I don't like that.
A bad move to me, the end of this option.


Not really. Only locos with a digital control of the up and down function of the pantographs shall not run over the catenary system.

A Märklin employee told me last time attending a digital day 2018, while I was talking to him about the new Insider Crocodile and its function of the pantograph. This model will also have a digital controlled up and down function and you cannot run it via the catenary system too. It depends on the remote-controlled function. The Insider 103.1 long has also no real usable catanary system. It has a digitally controlled up & down function too.
Offline CarlosAlberto  
#427 Posted : 19 April 2018 19:00:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: CarlosAlberto Go to Quoted Post
One of the things that i have noticed is that no longer catenary power suply for electric locomotives... All of them.
That means using pickup shoe and pantograph at the same time... I don't like that.
A bad move to me, the end of this option.


Not really. Only locos with a digital control of the up and down function of the pantographs shall not run over the catenary system.

A Märklin employee told me last time attending a digital day 2018, while I was talking to him about the new Insider Crocodile and its function of the pantograph. This model will also have a digital controlled up and down function and you cannot run it via the catenary system too. It depends on the remote-controlled function. The Insider 103.1 long has also no real usable catanary system. It has a digitally controlled up & down function too.


Thought catenary and pickup shoe were connected at the same place on the decoder...
So even changing power feed, it would keep the sound and running caractheristics.
So why digital locomotives did have that option (like E94)? Only for analogic purposes?
Regards
Carlos
... 51 years living with Marklin at my side.
Offline TEEWolf  
#428 Posted : 19 April 2018 19:38:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CarlosAlberto Go to Quoted Post

Thought catenary and pickup shoe were connected at the same place on the decoder...
So even changing power feed, it would keep the sound and running characteristics.
So why digital locomotives did have that option (like E94)? Only for analogue purposes?


As a pantograph is or has to be connected inside of a loco for a full function, I do not know. I only realized that Märklin obviously is testing different possibilities of a digital control for the pantographs. The Insider 103.1 long has a little clue to bring the pantograph up & down. The Insider shunting croc shall have a little servomotor doing this. I wrote Märklin a mail asking about this and other details for the Insider shunting croc, but they did not answer yet.

Perhaps it will be technical too complicated and/or expensive combining the real function of a pantograph with a digital controlled up & down function. In my opinion it has nothing to do with the analogue function. At other locos, where you do not get a remote-controlled up & down function, you have the sound for raising or lowering a pantograph.

Therefore at a digital system you may run plenty and all types of locos individually via a wiper, apparently Märklin does not see a real need for a full functioning pantograph system. At the moment they offer both versions and you have to look for it.
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Offline H0  
#429 Posted : 19 April 2018 19:50:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CarlosAlberto Go to Quoted Post
Sorry, i don't understand the 1st part of your post;
to me, catenary is a close circuit, like the 3rd rail, so why can't i run multiple digital locomotives?
In the '80s Märklin made locos that could not be operated from catenary for the Primex line - cheaper locos with fewer parts.
The TRAXX locos 36850 and later never could be operated from catenary - cheaper locos with fewer parts.

Now we notice that there were no catenary-fed H0 locos amongst the 2018 new items (and one Bavarian member still didn't get it).
Looks like they save money with every electric loco they make and at the same time only lose very few sales with that new policy.

I don't understand what you don't understand about my post. Please explain.
Regards
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Offline H0  
#430 Posted : 19 April 2018 19:52:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Perhaps it will be technical too complicated and/or expensive combining the real function of a pantograph with a digital controlled up & down function.
Simple answer: When the pantograph goes down the loco no longer gets power through the catenary and the pantograph can never go up again under digital control.

Regards
Tom
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Offline H0  
#431 Posted : 19 April 2018 19:55:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CarlosAlberto Go to Quoted Post
Thought catenary and pickup shoe were connected at the same place on the decoder...
Yep, but mutually exclusive. There is a switch inside the loco that selects either catenary or centre rail as power feed.

No intact Märklin H0 loco AFAIK makes a connection between centre rail and catenary.
Regards
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Offline CarlosAlberto  
#432 Posted : 19 April 2018 20:22:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: CarlosAlberto Go to Quoted Post
Thought catenary and pickup shoe were connected at the same place on the decoder...
Yep, but mutually exclusive. There is a switch inside the loco that selects either catenary or centre rail as power feed.

No intact Märklin H0 loco AFAIK makes a connection between centre rail and catenary.



That is exactlly my question:
changing the switch for catenary, powering the two rails (and the catenary=3rd rail) with pantograph rase up to catenary (manually),
why can't i have the same digital carachteristics?

PS
pickup shoe is off, of course.
Regards
Carlos
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Offline TEEWolf  
#433 Posted : 19 April 2018 22:43:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Perhaps it will be technical too complicated and/or expensive combining the real function of a pantograph with a digital controlled up & down function.
Simple answer: When the pantograph goes down the loco no longer gets power through the catenary and the pantograph can never go up again under digital control.



Yes, but a little battery helps always.

Or use the brandnew summer new item article # 60974

https://www.maerklin.de/...pdb_pi1%5Bsearchres%5D=1

But it always costs money.
Offline TEEWolf  
#434 Posted : 19 April 2018 23:32:45(UTC)
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Hello folks,

as an English you should have gotten your summer new items last year already.Confused Laugh


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as a German you will get the Sommerneuheiten this year as usual

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#435 Posted : 20 April 2018 00:29:46(UTC)
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Thought catenary and pickup shoe were connected at the same place on the decoder...
Yep, but mutually exclusive. There is a switch inside the loco that selects either catenary or centre rail as power feed.

No intact Märklin H0 loco AFAIK makes a connection between centre rail and catenary.



That is exactly my question:
changing the switch for catenary, powering the two rails (and the catenary=3rd rail) with pantograph raise up to catenary (manually),
why can't i have the same digital characteristics?

PS
pickup shoe is off, of course.




First, you have to ask Märklin when they change something else. But they won't give you an answer, I guess.

Second, have a look at my actual avatar picture. At the left side it is a green E 50 (Mae art# 39500

https://static.maerklin....91957d68b1434542596.pdf)

on page 30 you see the switch of the current source between a slider and a pantograph).

On the right side you see a blue 151 (Mae art# 37438

https://static.maerklin....18cc3b53cb1464360096.pdf

on page 23 you see the switch of the current source between a slider and a pantograph)

Only from different eras, but basically they are the same locos and got different types off switches changing between the power source slider and pantograph. These are significant differences. One time you just turn around the loco and can do it underneath of the loco. In the other case you have to remove the complete box of the loco and change pins on the decoder. This shows Märklin is changing its construction at the same model. And the 37438 is the newer model.

Perhaps one of these days you get this as a digital switch. But every time it must be ascertained that there is no contact between the current source slider and pantograph.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#436 Posted : 20 April 2018 00:52:52(UTC)
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I think we are getting a bit off topic here........
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#437 Posted : 20 April 2018 02:44:49(UTC)
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Most traditional models had a physical selector which allowed the switching between centre rail and catenary (pantograph) for power supply. More recent models had a jumper switch on the PC board, which allowed for the selection of either power from overhead or track. A number of models were delivered without wired pantographs, as this allowed the company to produce cheaper models with smaller PC boards (the 36XXX hobby models). A number of models with digitally operated pantographs also could not be used from the catenary because lowering the pantograph in overhead mode would cut off the power supply and would require the locomotive to be taken off the track, opened, power source switched and then repositioned in order for the lok and the catenary functions to be accessed again. (I presume that the operating mechanism of the overhead did not cause a short under a powered catenary).

I also seem to recall that the TGV models also have non-functional catenary.

I have seen a few Roco models where the functionality has been defeated by the absence of the contact between pantographs, resulting in no contact between the overheads and the circuit board. This has been the case in at least one Traxx (185 type) and Re 4/4IV (Re 446) shells in my possession.

I presume that in some of the designs, the wire used for overhead power feed or contact point between the wire and the PC board may heat during use and may damage the PCB or shell (plastic) or even potentially the decoder.

I remember even my classic 3050 had an issue where the metal overhead contact band was coming into contact with the motor bogie frame and was repaired by the installation of a piece of electrical tape by one of Maerklin's service reps. This issue had caused a short when the overheads were raised and in contact with a live wire.

Back to the topic. I was a little disappointed that the Summer New Items were a little short on International models. It would have been nice to have some tidbit for Swiss, Austrian or others, say, maybe the 43874 in orange or the EWIV AS Service coach, since Maerklin does not have a baggage car for the modern Swiss push-pull sets.

I am still looking forward to seeing what country specific models come out, especially for NL, like previous container sets (47051.XX) as many of those containers are also suitable for German, Swiss or Austrian layouts, or even an Era IV issue of the Trix 23414 coach set with UIC marking or Rosso-Fegato livery (like 4189).
See: https://www.marklin.nl/p...xclusief-voor-nederland/

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#438 Posted : 20 April 2018 02:52:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Perhaps it will be technical too complicated and/or expensive combining the real function of a pantograph with a digital controlled up & down function.
Simple answer: When the pantograph goes down the loco no longer gets power through the catenary and the pantograph can never go up again under digital control.



Many of us will know from models like the 3070/3071/39540/etc what happens when a trainset is equipped with a relay for slider selection and the reverse unit is activated when there is no contact with the other slider and you have to connect the pilot coach or check the wires to be able to activate the relay and reassume control of the motor unit again.

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#439 Posted : 20 April 2018 10:03:48(UTC)
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Well, I'll have a look at the Porsche annivaersary wagons when I get to the Messe today, but they are about the only items that interest me.

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#440 Posted : 20 April 2018 12:54:44(UTC)
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Yes, but a little battery helps always.
LOL

The loco will never receive the command to raise the pantograph. A wireless controller and a battery will help, but a battery only won't do much good in this case.
Märklin already use such a technology for the My World range.



Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Only from different eras, but basically they are the same locos and got different types off switches changing between the power source slider and pantograph. These are significant differences.
The latest E 50 is 37855, a Summer New Item.
Manual is not yet online, but from the description I assume the switch to choose between centre rail and catenary is gone - and maybe gone for good.
Some 2017 New Items still had that switch and you can find many models from the last 50+ years that have that switch.
But, to get a bit closer to topic, can you show us some 2018 New Items with such a switch?

Edited by user 20 April 2018 20:28:32(UTC)  | Reason: Typo.

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#441 Posted : 20 April 2018 16:25:11(UTC)
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But, to get a bit closer to topic, can you show us some 2018 Net (New?) Items with such a switch?


I presume that the Re 620 Xrail still has the same circuit board as the 37322/24/25 with the Jumper sockets.

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#442 Posted : 20 April 2018 20:36:37(UTC)
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I presume that the Re 620 Xrail still has the same circuit board as the 37322/24/25 with the Jumper sockets.
Maybe, time will tell. But neither symbol nor text indicate support for power from the catenary.
Maybe there are just empty holes in the circuit board, maybe there is a redesigned board.
But the copper strip between the pantograph screws is no longer needed, the insulation disks are probably gone, the connection between PCB and copper strip under the roof is no longer needed.
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#443 Posted : 20 April 2018 20:57:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
But, to get a bit closer to topic, can you show us some 2018 New Items with such a switch?



Only the 37339 French Class 12000 "Flat Iron", I think. And (in English) the words say "Current supply can be switched to catenary operation. Even more like the prototype."

Märklin is making a feature out of this, but not offering it on any other new electric loco, as far as I know!


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#444 Posted : 20 April 2018 22:03:05(UTC)
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I suspect the power from overhead catenary is getting phased out for several reasons:

1) Movable pantographs with digital operations - obviously you cannot rely on solely top wire (what the multi-path signal arrival problems would be with catenary+pickup-shoe for redundancy is a separate issue)

2) Users like more filigree and prototypical pantograph designs which are smaller and not robust/strong enough to reliably transmit the power vs the over-dimensioned older ones.

If someone wants to run off of pantograph, is there any reason one cannot modify the locomotives to do that - by mounting an older style power conducting pantograph, and then routing power from it internally by a wire, in place of the pickup shoe?
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#445 Posted : 21 April 2018 16:47:01(UTC)
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For me honestly the best new items in years:

- That DRB 42 is a certainty. Maybe a little downside is that they stick to their Marklinisms: no eagle symbol and no 'verdunklungsblenden' for the headlights. I guess the grey color was enough :). But overall very nice.

Bert



I just received my ordered 39044. Just wanted to mention that I was wrong about the 'verdunklungsblenden' for the headlights (or they just didn't mention it). They are modelled on the front side (not the back side) by partially printing over the light conductor. When the lights are on, from up close you can see that they are painted on (some light bleed) but from a little further it looks really nice.

Overall a very nice loco. I just tested it briefly.

The color is very good also. It is really prototypical black grey, and not the less accurate field grey color as on the older 3793 BR52.

Bert

PS: I got it from here: http://www.treinshopolaerts.be/ where they just advertise a 18% discount for most items for everyone. Thats better than the usual 10% internet discount.
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#446 Posted : 22 April 2018 19:58:03(UTC)
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Minok related an interesting point about digital power via catenary. I am a CS2 user and supply power to the catenary for train control. I am aware of the redundancy yet I persist as means a lot to me to have a powered catenary. It is also the very first question I receive when I have guests viewing my layout (does the catenary work?). My experience thus far with the catenary is that a single over dimension old style double arm pantograph is borderline in its reliability on a digital layout. I run my locomotives with both pantographs up for reliable operation. My catenary is the old style Märklin.

The single arm pantographs are way too unreliable for digital. I have an old 3054 (Class 103) which I have retrofitted with single arm pantographs. I also subsequently had the loco retrofitted to digital (please do not ask me the decoder number but it is a more recent number with load regulation), and I did send it in for repair. It behaved as if it had a ghost at the wheel (Geisterfahrer). It would accelerate to speed but would not respond to slow down or stop speed settings. Imagine my embarrassment when it worked properly at my dealers layout running from the pickup shoe on the track.

I have read in the forum the recommendation to use a graphite laden grease on the pantographs to enhance their conductivity. This is a suggestion I have not yet applied.

Shunting locomotives with a single single arm pantograph run only from the track pickup. Catenary operation is hopelessly unreliable.

I noticed the special note Märklin made with running off of the catenary with the new Flatiron Lok (Bügeleisen) 37339. I have this loco on order along with the new Seetalkrokodil 37551. We will see how they behave with catenary operation.

Thus, I am a fan of the old over dimensioned double arm pantographs with their associated 4 digit Märklin locomotive article numbers. I am not a rivet counter.

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#447 Posted : 22 April 2018 22:44:42(UTC)
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Are we still talking about catenary power pickup via pantographs in a New Items thread? By all means feel free to open a new thread if you want to continue the discussion, but please restrict the comments here.
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#448 Posted : 22 April 2018 22:56:44(UTC)
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Well, I'll have a look at the Porsche annivaersary wagons when I get to the Messe today, but they are about the only items that interest me.



I looked for the announced wagons on the Marklin stand, and while they had some Summer NI items on show, the Porsche wagons were notable by their absence - not even a picture announcement. I did notice, in the brochure, that they have gone to four differnt model car suppliers to get the vehicles to populate these wagons, so Marklin are spreading the love around a bit it seems. But considering the absence of even a picture announcement on the stand I suspect these were a very late addition to the Summer NI brochure.

But one thing I did notice - the display cabinet with the Coca Cola American items had almost no-one look at it. I did see a couple of guys look at it for a very short time, but there was never a crowd around it like the other cabinets.

The Lummerland layout with the Jim Knopf loco running around it was very popular, especially with the kids. They didn't have the loco towing any wagons though, which I thought was a little strange, although I guess it matches the movie in that respect. The Jim Knopf figure that comes with the set is taller than a standard HO figure with Lukas the Lokfuhrer even taller that that. The video on the Marklin website shows that you can take the roof off the cab and put the two figures inside. I'm not sure where Molly, the other loco (which is a non-operational item in the set) comes into the story as I have only seen the shorts of the film that were on the Marklin website (not sure if they still are) and were also playing in a continuous loop on the stand.

There was a (very small) glass of Prosecco for insider members - topped up with orange juice if desired, and those who have been members for 25 years get a half bottle of some plonk - I have one of these for someone who passed me their membership numbers to collect items on their behalf (they will know who they are).

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#449 Posted : 23 April 2018 22:50:45(UTC)
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I meant to say, in the above post, that there was a sample of the new TEN train. The roofs of the two blue coaches are same colour as the side of the blue/cream coach.

I'm also intrigued with the selection of autos to go on the car carrier, the sample on display had five vehicles on it, with the NI brochure showing six. The five vehicles on display appeared to match the ones in the brochure including colour, a Peugeot 404? a Rover 3500 V8, and I can't remember what the third one was, but I don't recall it being a German vehicle.

I do have photos of this set, but it may take me a day or three to post them, as I am hamstrung for an internet connection at present, in deepest French countryside to make a Skype connection with sisters and cousins on Anzac Day from the graveside of our Great Uncle.

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#450 Posted : 24 April 2018 00:12:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post

... The video on the Marklin website shows that you can take the roof off the cab and put the two figures inside. I'm not sure where Molly, the other loco (which is a non-operational item in the set) comes ...


... and here comes the real, living Molli BigGrin

http://www.molli-bahn.de/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molli_railway



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