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I am looking for a train to run with the BR 103.1 37577 I bought recently.I found three options,they are.
1.43851-43858-43827-43922
2.43336-43307-43875
3.43856
Any other options from my friends in the forum?
Thank you very much.
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Are other brands than Märklin allowed? Originally Posted by: foumaro  3.43856 These coaches have been shortened by 21 mm or 33 mm each (1:94 or 1:97). You can try scale models (1:87) from Roco or Piko. Add real inches to your trains ... |
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i think that neither Br 103.1 maerklin is exactly 1:87 nor the specified articlew you described.
in our country the composition depends on the stock of each dealer .
for example for Br 103.1 proposed me the 43857 set although the Maerklin database and the prototype composition after May 67
consists of Br e 10.12 + the above set.
in my opinion for Br 103.1 try the roco composition,
wish you happy new year
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Originally Posted by: H0 Are other brands than Märklin allowed? Originally Posted by: foumaro 3.43856 These coaches have been shortened by 21 mm or 33 mm each (1:94 or 1:97). You can try scale models (1:87) from Roco or Piko. Add real inches to your trains ... Actually I am marklin user,I have 381 wagons,361 marklin and 20 trix cars but maybe I can try for something different.Can you give me any items numbers?
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Originally Posted by: harris19 i think that neither Br 103.1 maerklin is exactly 1:87 nor the specified articlew you described.
in our country the composition depends on the stock of each dealer .
for example for Br 103.1 proposed me the 43857 set although the Maerklin database and the prototype composition after May 67
consists of Br e 10.12 + the above set.
in my opinion for Br 103.1 try the roco composition,
wish you happy new year
harris Have you any items numbers? I wish a huppy new year for you too.
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Originally Posted by: foumaro I am looking for a train to run with the BR 103.1 37577 I bought recently. According to the description this loco shows the state of the second half of the '80s. I think an IC with first and second class (cream/red and cream/blue) would be appropriate. Maybe an InterRegio with grey/blue coaches. I think 43851-43858-43827-43922 would be a good match. So would be 43306-43307-43875. Märklin database is down and I cannot check which time those represent. 43856 is from before IC '79 when IC trains only had first class. From Piko you could go for 59665+59660+59662+59661+59663+59664. Get Roco Universal Couplers for the loco and the first coach and use Roco Close Couplers or Roco Universal Couplers between the coaches. Order the coaches with AC wheelsets (some dealers will swap them free of charge). Originally Posted by: harris19 i think that neither Br 103.1 maerklin is exactly 1:87 nor the specified articlew you described. The loco is 5 mm too short. Closer to the scale length than coaches where 33 mm are missing. The new Märklin BR 103.1 with long cabs has the scale length. |
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Originally Posted by: harris19 i think that neither Br 103.1 maerklin is exactly 1:87 nor the specified articlew you described.
in our country the composition depends on the stock of each dealer .
for example for Br 103.1 proposed me the 43857 set although the Maerklin database and the prototype composition after May 67
consists of Br e 10.12 + the above set.
in my opinion for Br 103.1 try the roco composition,
wish you happy new year
harris Have you any items numbers? I wish a huppy new year for you too. i find this link http://www.roco.cc/de/ne...-72306-Detail/index.htmlat the end you can see 64506,510,511,512 i think that you can see it to previouw posted video. i am also maerklin user but the true is excactly what HO member describe. have a nice 2018
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Maerklin options: 1:100: The IC "Sudwind" Sets 42993, 42994, 42973 would be a good composition for this lok http://www.marklinfan.net/sudwind.htm1:93: The IC "Beethoven" 43858, 43927, 43922 would make a typical 1980s IC (same basic consist as above but in new scale length) Other options: The EC "Tiziano" 43308-43309-43310-43876 would make a nice consist in the late 1980s livery 1:87: You can use exact scale models of the Bm235, Bpmz29X, Avmz, WRmz from Roco, ACME, LSM, Piko in any combination. My recommendation would be Apmz (Piko), Avmz207 (LSM) - WRmz132 (Roco) - Bpmz29X (LSM or Piko) - Bm235 (LSM or Piko) If you want something more colorful, you can replace the DB coaches with coaches from other railways (OBB, SBB, SNCF, FS, MAV, or even trains like the Mimara with mixed DB and Slovenian/Croatian coaches (ACME). http://forum.malezeljezn...ds/ec-mimara.1893/page-6The sky is the limit, so enjoy! Regards, Mike C
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Originally Posted by: mike c 1:100: The IC "Sudwind" Sets 42993, 42994, 42973 would be a good composition for this lok
1:93: The IC "Beethoven" 43858, 43927, 43922 would make a typical 1980s IC (same basic consist as above but in new scale length) Märklin is not really transparent about the scales of the models. The IC Südwind is a mix of 1:98, 1:100, and 1:102. Both IC Beethoven and EC Ticiano are a mix of 1:94 and 1:97, collectively known as "new longer length". With both IC Südwind and IC Beethoven it cannot harm to add more second class coaches for a prototypical consist (if your platforms allow that - or make a long train that never stops). |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Looking to the marklin 2014 items find another interesting combo,the cars 43932,43924,43923,43912,43960,43871,I do not know if this combo is ideal for the BR 103.1.Especially the baggage car is very nice.
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Originally Posted by: foumaro I do not know if this combo is ideal for the BR 103.1. BR 103.1 was even used for freight trains at times, so anything goes in the end. When the first-class coaches are also blue/cream (not red/cream) then BR 103.1 is an unlikely loco for such a train. But nothing was impossible in the days of Deutsche Bundesbahn. 43932,43924,43923,43912,43960,43871 looks rather like a train for BR 110, BR 111, or BR 218. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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I think I will go for Van Beethoven and EC Ticiano combos.I want to thank you for all the perfect ideas and proposals,I will have them in my mind for future buys.  Edited by user 02 January 2018 07:22:00(UTC)
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A picture to visualise the different length scales:  At the top is Roco, full scale length, 1:87. In the middle is IC Beethoven by Märklin, "new longer length", 1:97, length reduced by 34 mm. At the bottom you see IC Südwind, 270 mm, 1:102, length reduced by 46 mm. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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I know I've said it before and it doesn't make a lot of sense, but I still think the scale length coaches look too long in model form!
I have a set of the Sudwind 27cm long coaches and they look great with my Br103 and Br114 locos. Today I've bought on ebay the 42774 blue/cream coaches to go with the 42773 red/cream set. This is how I plan to run my Br103, with the IC Sudwind train. |
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I very quickly tried using the new 28cm restaurant with the 27cm coaches to see if it looked more prototypical. I did not make a decision if it was something that I would do again in the future.
I had previously added a 24cm 4066 to the end of a SBB consist of 26.4cm coaches, which looked passable. The classic coupler was ok when coupled at the end of a close coupled consist. The original is around 23m compared to a 26.4m EWIV or Eurofima.
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The only reason i avoid buying anything that marklin is that i have see a lot of accidents and damages in other layouts because of the differences of the couplers and the wheels of other stuff.I have see my trains in danger because of derailments of other stuff,so if i see strange trains on tracks i am not running mine with them.It is not very nice to see your train in pieces.So for me the rocos and picos are very nice with rocos and picos trains and tracks and away for my trains. 
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Originally Posted by: foumaro The only reason i avoid buying anything that marklin is that i have see a lot of accidents and damages in other layouts because of the differences of the couplers and the wheels of other stuff. The problem is that Märklin makes incompatible tracks and incompatible close couplers. There are historic reasons for the incompatible tracks. There are no historic reasons for incompatible close couplers. The solution is easy: get AC wheelsets for the coaches or adjust the wheel spacing and get non-Märklin couplers and everything works as it should. |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: foumaro The only reason i avoid buying anything that marklin is that i have see a lot of accidents and damages in other layouts because of the differences of the couplers and the wheels of other stuff. The problem is that Märklin makes incompatible tracks and incompatible close couplers. There are historic reasons for the incompatible tracks. There are no historic reasons for incompatible close couplers. The solution is easy: get AC wheelsets for the coaches or adjust the wheel spacing and get non-Märklin couplers and everything works as it should. happy new year ! ..."adjust the wheel spacing"... how to ? thk u harris
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: foumaro The only reason i avoid buying anything that marklin is that i have see a lot of accidents and damages in other layouts because of the differences of the couplers and the wheels of other stuff. The problem is that Märklin makes incompatible tracks and incompatible close couplers. There are historic reasons for the incompatible tracks. There are no historic reasons for incompatible close couplers. The solution is easy: get AC wheelsets for the coaches or adjust the wheel spacing and get non-Märklin couplers and everything works as it should. Couldn't agree more! ROCO "Universal" coupler head #40397 is a godsend! And if you have permanently coupled rakes of ROCO (or LSM, Piko, REE, etc...) cars, leave their original close coupler all through the train, and just change the head/tail coaches' coupler for the 40397 Same apply for Fleischmann's "knuckle" short couplers. It was *you*, Tom, who, for me, "turned the lights on" to solve the riddle of the KKKS ("Kurzkupplungkopfsalat")   Thanks again! |
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With respect to true scale, I think it depends on the layout whether true-scale models are an improvement over shortened versions. Very long ago, I posted a comparison of Walthers streamliner coaches on R3, R4 and R5, and even on R5 they do not look particularly convincing … Jeroen |
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Originally Posted by: jerdenberg With respect to true scale, I think it depends on the layout whether true-scale models are an improvement over shortened versions. They always look ugly when watched from the outside of the curve. They look better when watched from the inside of the curve. So maybe it is a good idea to build the tracks along the walls and watch from the inside. The shortened Märklin coaches discussed here (length between 264 and 283 mm) have asymmetric trucks, pivot point moved towards the middle of the coach. The full-length models have symmetric trucks with the pivot point in the middle. With respect to the gap between coaches, the 282 mm cars from Märklin do not look any better than the 303 mm scale models because the distance between buffer and pivot point is much the same. It cannot harm to design a layout with long coaches in mind, using long coaches and huge locomotives for the test runs. |
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