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I am considering pre-ordering the 37105. It has not seemed to garner as much attention as the other 2014 new issues so I am having trouble deciding and also understanding where this model fits within the other well liked BR 01s.
However, I believe I would be happy with it and would use it often so I am not concerned with its long term collector's value.
What I am looking for right now is a new (or new to me) steam locomotive with mfx sound features and smoke capabilities. I can pre-order this model for $363 USD. Compared to other mfx models that are similar and that I am interested in, this seems to be a fair price point for me and what comes with it and the fact that it would be my first brand new issue purchased from a dealer.
The only BR 01 I have is a 3048 that is, of course, analog.
My question is, if not for the 37105, should I look instead at the 39010 to 39016 models? I am also not clear on the difference between the 37xxx and 39xxx BR 01s and the preference for the latter.
Please help clarify!
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Hi, Tim! Originally Posted by: shamrock  I am considering pre-ordering the 37105. It has not seemed to garner as much attention as the other 2014 new issues so I am having trouble deciding and also understanding where this model fits within the other well liked BR 01s. The 37105 is a model of BR 01.10, it's not a model of BR 01. The models have nothing in common - except coupler and maybe centre rail slider. The 01.10 is an old construction and comes with the old "coffee grinder" motor. While I like this maintenance friendly motor, I often think it shouldn't come with sound decoders because the motor/gear noise can clearly be heard through the chuff-chuff sounds. 37xxx vs. 39xxx: Initially the 39xxx numbers for reserved for C Sinus locos, but now they also use 39xxx numbers for dirt-cheap three-pole can motors and "coffee grinder" motors. The 01.10 came with several starter sets. You may be able to get one cheaply (with mfx and sound, but without mfx+) from dealers who split starter sets. 39010 through 39015 came with C Sinus motor. The 39010 came with yellow LEDs and initially with the compact C Sine motor and faulty driver electronics. When going for a 39010, make sure to get a later model with SDS. 39010ff are models of BR 01 (new mould). Your 3048 is a BR 01 from the old mould. |
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I have the 39011 version of BR01,i am very huppy,no problems at all,she is running like a dream.If you will find her i can suggest to by her,you will nor regret it. 
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Originally Posted by: shamrock I am considering pre-ordering the 37105. It has not seemed to garner as much attention as the other 2014 new issues so I am having trouble deciding and also understanding where this model fits within the other well liked BR 01s. Hi Tim, In the prototype, 01.10 is a different class of locomotive to the 01 (although it was developed from the 01). Here's the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRB_Class_01.10Often people use the "dot number" notation to denote a different version of a Maerklin model, but that's not the case here - the difference is in the prototype! So, if you want a modern 01 class, you need to pick from the 3901x range. I have a 39010 an I love it, but it is very sensitive to dirty track (much more so that my other locs) Herman |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Hi, Tim! Originally Posted by: shamrock I am considering pre-ordering the 37105. It has not seemed to garner as much attention as the other 2014 new issues so I am having trouble deciding and also understanding where this model fits within the other well liked BR 01s. The 37105 is a model of BR 01.10, it's not a model of BR 01. The models have nothing in common - except coupler and maybe centre rail slider. The 01.10 is an old construction and comes with the old "coffee grinder" motor. While I like this maintenance friendly motor, I often think it shouldn't come with sound decoders because the motor/gear noise can clearly be heard through the chuff-chuff sounds. 37xxx vs. 39xxx: Initially the 39xxx numbers for reserved for C Sinus locos, but now they also use 39xxx numbers for dirt-cheap three-pole can motors and "coffee grinder" motors. The 01.10 came with several starter sets. You may be able to get one cheaply (with mfx and sound, but without mfx+) from dealers who split starter sets. 39010 through 39015 came with C Sinus motor. The 39010 came with yellow LEDs and initially with the compact C Sine motor and faulty driver electronics. When going for a 39010, make sure to get a later model with SDS. 39010ff are models of BR 01 (new mould). Your 3048 is a BR 01 from the old mould. Thank you. I am embarrassed, humbled is a better word, by my vast gap in knowledge with the protoypes and models. As I have said before, right now my passion exceeds my knowledge but through replies such as these I am able to learn. I had a feeling I was missing something here. Regarding the Marklin models, mfx+ is not a must have at the moment as I do not have a CS2. Regarding the motors, I currently have the 39560 Crocodile which has a C Sine motor and I am very happy with it. However, I do not know if the 39560 has the compact C-sine or what became the SDS you reference in the 39010-39015 models. Regarding three-pole can motors, I also like the 2014 37939. Is it safe to assume that it also has a three-pole motor? Cheers, Tim |
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Originally Posted by: foumaro I have the 39011 version of BR01,i am very huppy,no problems at all,she is running like a dream.If you will find her i can suggest to by her,you will nor regret it. Excellent, thank you for the positive vote! |
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I have order the 37105, It came with mfx+ for cab control CS2
I have the 37104 came with DCM five poles motor, I am sure the 37105 will do the same.
37105 is cheaper that 390xx. |
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Originally Posted by: hvc Originally Posted by: shamrock I am considering pre-ordering the 37105. It has not seemed to garner as much attention as the other 2014 new issues so I am having trouble deciding and also understanding where this model fits within the other well liked BR 01s. Hi Tim, In the prototype, 01.10 is a different class of locomotive to the 01 (although it was developed from the 01). Here's the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRB_Class_01.10Often people use the "dot number" notation to denote a different version of a Maerklin model, but that's not the case here - the difference is in the prototype! So, if you want a modern 01 class, you need to pick from the 3901x range. I have a 39010 an I love it, but it is very sensitive to dirty track (much more so that my other locs) Herman Herman, That does clear things up for me in this regard and I have begun to look further at the current options for the 39xxx models. Best, Tim |
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Originally Posted by: steventrain I have order the 37105, It came with mfx+ for cab control CS2
I have the 37104 came with DCM five poles motor, I am sure the 37105 will do the same.
37105 is cheaper that 390xx. Steven, So the DCM five poles motor would be an excellent choice, correct? Certainly smoother than a 3 pole and perhaps debateable with a compact C-Sine or SDS? I did notice that the 37105 as a brand new pre-order is cheaper that what I have found so far with the 390xx. For my purposes now, the difference between a BR 01 and 01.10 is not a dealbreaker like sound versus no sound. Cheers, Tim |
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Hi Tim,
Although the DCM 5 pole motor has it's devotees, I feel I should tell you that it is in fact quite an old motor, and there are several issues with them. They tend to be noisy and need frequent lubrication, but are also sensitive to over oiling.
I would consider any can motor superior in many respects to the old DCM, even though the latest 3 pole can motors may have issues with some decoders.
I also think the new tooling Br01 is a much more accurate and generally nicer model than the older Br01.10. The Br01 has a C-sine or can motor which is much smaller, leaving space in the cab and allowing the boiler to be modelled more faithfully. The old Br01.10 has bulges on the sides of the firebox, just in front of the cab, which are there solely because the motor would not fit otherwise, and the cab is full of the motor too.
I personally have one of the Br01.10, and I'm very pleased with it, but I recognise its deficiencies.
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Originally Posted by: RayF Hi Tim,
Although the DCM 5 pole motor has it's devotees, I feel I should tell you that it is in fact quite an old motor, and there are several issues with them. They tend to be noisy and need frequent lubrication, but are also sensitive to over oiling.
I would consider any can motor superior in many respects to the old DCM, even though the latest 3 pole can motors may have issues with some decoders.
I also think the new tooling Br01 is a much more accurate and generally nicer model than the older Br01.10. The Br01 has a C-sine or can motor which is much smaller, leaving space in the cab and allowing the boiler to be modelled more faithfully. The old Br01.10 has bulges on the sides of the firebox, just in front of the cab, which are there solely because the motor would not fit otherwise, and the cab is full of the motor too.
I personally have one of the Br01.10, and I'm very pleased with it, but I recognise its deficiencies.
I hope this information helps you to make a better choice. Yes, thank you, Ray. It's good to read all of these viewpoints. I am partial to the C-sine as well so I should keep my out for one. I do look forward to having the chance to personally run the different varieties of motors eventually as my collection expands. It just may not happen as quickly as I want it too! Cheers, Tim |
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Tim,
I have Marklin 39104, BR0.10 from EPIII. It's an older model (04/05), with C-sine. I don't find it to be a lot quieter than the DCM powered version as there is a bit of gear noise, but overall I love the model. This particular version has older style sounds, which aren't as realistic a the current generation (or as many), but I think they are still pretty good, especially the whistle. If you Google this model number you will probably find a post where Tom gives a lot of excellent technical insight. They can generally be had for a good price, so if you're interested it may be worth researching.
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Hello everyone. I like the look of the BR 01.10 locomotives and found that the 39103 and 37105 look very similar. Could someone please explain the difference to me? I also noticed this quote above:
"The old Br01.10 has bulges on the sides of the firebox, just in front of the cab, which are there solely because the motor would not fit otherwise, and the cab is full of the motor too."
Can you expand on this with photos showing where this non-prototypical bulge is? Is this bulge on all BR 01.10 models? Are there other models of this style that you recommend?
Thanks,
David
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Originally Posted by: AmalfiCoast Hello everyone. I like the look of the BR 01.10 locomotives and found that the 39103 and 37105 look very similar. Could someone please explain the difference to me? I also noticed this quote above:
"The old Br01.10 has bulges on the sides of the firebox, just in front of the cab, which are there solely because the motor would not fit otherwise, and the cab is full of the motor too."
Can you expand on this with photos showing where this non-prototypical bulge is? Is this bulge on all BR 01.10 models? Are there other models of this style that you recommend?
Thanks,
David I have indicated what I mean on these photos. The first one shows the "old" tooling Br01.10, showing the bulge in a red circle.  The second photo shows the new tooling Br01 and you can see that the firebox has been modelled more accurately.  I don't think Marklin has made a new tooling of the Br 01.10 yet. There is a new version of the other standard pacifics, the Br01, Br03 and Br03.10. I would go with any of these. |
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Ray,
Thank you for taking the time to post this - I can clearly see the difference now. Do you know the model numbers of the Br01, Br03, and Br03.10 with new tooling?
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Originally Posted by: AmalfiCoast Ray,
Thank you for taking the time to post this - I can clearly see the difference now. Do you know the model numbers of the Br01, Br03, and Br03.10 with new tooling?
David All these are new tooling with SDS or can motors: Br01 = 39010, 39011, 39013, 39014, 39015, 39016, 39017 Br03 = 37950, 37956, 37957, Br03.10 = 37915, 37916, 37918, There may be more... |
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I have 39011 and 37915,simply amazing.
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Originally Posted by: H0 Hi, Tim!
The 01.10 is an old construction and comes with the old "coffee grinder" motor. While I like this maintenance friendly motor, I often think it shouldn't come with sound decoders because the motor/gear noise can clearly be heard through the chuff-chuff sounds.
37xxx vs. 39xxx: Initially the 39xxx numbers for reserved for C Sinus locos, but now they also use 39xxx numbers for dirt-cheap three-pole can motors and "coffee grinder" motors.
To my knowledge there has never been a 39xxx model with a 'coffee grinder' (DCM) motor... Also those 3 pole can motors are quiet and run great. To the OP, one of the forum members here was selling the 39016 BR01 for a great price (330AU). He did have it listed on ebay so I am not sure if it is sold but you should send him a pm: https://www.marklin-user...1-MFX-with-Sound-Era-III |
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Originally Posted by: applor To my knowledge there has never been a 39xxx model with a 'coffee grinder' (DCM) motor... Class 101: 39371 through 39375 with cofffee-grinder, 39370 with C Sine motor. |
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While not a Märklin model, the just announced Roco is a BR 01.10 (BR 012) oil tender. As I am specifically looking for a BR 01.10, in order to model the 01 1102 (renumbered 012 102-0) lokomotive, I'm now in the position of having to: 1) pick up the Roco plastic body MM model 78137 in 2018 2) wait for a new tooling Märklin 01.10/012 model (which may take years) 3) or get this old tooling 37015 MFX+ with odd bulge and apparently a loud motor/gear system. Nothing is ever easy. Märklin 37105 whirring motor/gears sound: ( and ) Roco 78137 AC MM BR 01.10 :http://www.roco.cc/en/product/239597-0-0-0-0-0-0-002001/products.html  |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Hi, Tim!
39010 through 39015 came with C Sinus motor. The 39010 came with yellow LEDs and initially with the compact C Sine motor and faulty driver electronics. When going for a 39010, make sure to get a later model with SDS.
39010ff are models of BR 01 (new mould). Your 3048 is a BR 01 from the old mould. Hello Tom! What exactly are the known issues with the electronics on 39010? I have both 39010 (DB) and 39011 (DRG) and can affirm the fact that they behave "problemlos". Apart from the unsightly yellow leds on 39010, which Märklin mercifully corrected a year later on 39011, I cannot name any issues. |
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Originally Posted by: Armando What exactly are the known issues with the electronics on 39010? See this old thread: https://www.marklin-user...-Csinus-compact#post9063 (see e.g. post #27) The 39010 was in the catalogue for a long time and some shipped with the csin3 board from the factory. And even 39010 with buggy boards will work OK on some layouts. |
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As I recall the problem with the original compact c-sine was that the track voltage would affect the running speed of the loco. For example if the compact c-sine train was running and another train was started at the same time on the same track this would lower the voltage of the track and the first train would slow down.
I believe that this was dependent on the controller used, but I don't remember which controllers were better or worse.
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