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Offline morsing  
#1 Posted : 20 December 2016 21:39:38(UTC)
morsing

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Hi,

Inspired by the lighting at the Miniatur Wunderland in Hamburg going through day/night phases, has anyone got any idea for how to do this at home? I think they did it with varying mixes of red/blue and white light.

Thanks
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#2 Posted : 20 December 2016 23:47:05(UTC)
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I lit my room with strips of LEDs. I used warm and cool whites and put them on dimmers. This allows me to alter the overall brightness and colour temperature of the light.

Lots of details here: http://cabin-layout.blog...2/room-LED-lighting.html

I am happy with how they have worked and would not hesitate to do it again. In addition it is a rather economical solution when compared to other systems.
Dale
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Offline Nigel Packer  
#3 Posted : 21 December 2016 13:18:33(UTC)
Nigel Packer

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I have all this technology on my layout, but I went for the complex option!

I use Light@Night software from LDT, with specially made light fittings in the room, and automatic roller blinds on all the windows that are coordinated with the lighting. The software controls all the layout lighting, buildings, station lights, street lights, floodlights, etc, and the room lights which are a combination of white, red and blue fluorescent tubes in four lighting units. There are also ambient sounds like weather and fireworks. We have graduated lighting for daylight, dusk, night, dawn, etc, with continuous variable colour changes from one period to the next. The software allows complete programming of everything, down to the individual light level, so buildings and street lights don't all light up at the same time.

It works very well, but it's complicated and it was expensive to locate some of the hardware.

Nigel
Märklin collector since age 5.
H0 Collection from 1935 to today.
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Offline morsing  
#4 Posted : 21 December 2016 13:44:56(UTC)
morsing

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Hi Nigel,

That sounds exactly like what they had at miniature wunderland. Do you happen to know what those flourescent light tubes are?

Thanks
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Marklin C-track + CS3+
12m2 layout to be controlled by RocRail
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Offline Nigel Packer  
#5 Posted : 21 December 2016 14:03:13(UTC)
Nigel Packer

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Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
Hi Nigel,

That sounds exactly like what they had at miniature wunderland. Do you happen to know what those flourescent light tubes are?

Thanks



My tubes are Osram Lumilux, red, blue and daylight. The fittings each have one red, one blue and two daylight, but they had to be specially built for me to give individual control of the tubes.

Nigel
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Offline alan  
#6 Posted : 21 December 2016 15:09:08(UTC)
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ive got a 100watt bulb in mine works a treat

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#7 Posted : 21 December 2016 15:12:20(UTC)
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ive got a 100watt bulb in mine works a treat

alan plymouth


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Offline jvuye  
#8 Posted : 21 December 2016 16:19:17(UTC)
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8 years ago I outfitted my train room (a 400 sq ft converted attic in a 16th century house) with GU 25 fittings, with the idea of taking advantage of the large number of alternative light sources available with this standard socket.
Originally used halogens: good light but also lots of heat. Great in winter but with AC working overtime for the rest of the year.
Tried fluorescent. Cool but not enough light and wrong color temperature. Takes several minutes before getting to nominal intensity. Expensive too and contrary to expectation short lifespan.
Moved to LED. Early ones have poor light and wrong color temp too.
Modern LED are now up to the task.
Will start experimenting with light effects when my layout gets further along 🙂☺
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
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Offline utkan  
#9 Posted : 22 December 2016 07:17:01(UTC)
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Offline PJMärklin  
#10 Posted : 22 December 2016 08:24:42(UTC)
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Offline baggio  
#11 Posted : 22 December 2016 09:27:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Go to Quoted Post
The software controls all the layout lighting, buildings, station lights, street lights, floodlights, etc, and the room lights which are a combination of white, red and blue fluorescent tubes in four lighting units.


Please show us a video of all this. Sounds intriguing to say the least. BigGrin
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#12 Posted : 22 December 2016 10:46:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Go to Quoted Post
The software controls all the layout lighting, buildings, station lights, street lights, floodlights, etc, and the room lights which are a combination of white, red and blue fluorescent tubes in four lighting units.


Please show us a video of all this. Sounds intriguing to say the least. BigGrin


When visiting Nigels train room it is a bit disconcerting to have the blinds suddenly come down and the lighting turn itself down, thunderstorm start - all just as you need the light to get a train rerailed or you are putting stock on the parade track. Blushing
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Offline xxup  
#13 Posted : 22 December 2016 11:28:20(UTC)
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How cool is that! Awesome stuff.. ThumpUp
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Offline Nigel Packer  
#14 Posted : 22 December 2016 23:21:57(UTC)
Nigel Packer

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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post

Please show us a video of all this. Sounds intriguing to say the least. BigGrin




Sorry - I haven't got any videos! Perhaps someone who has visited my layout for my open days has one. I know there are some still photos of the night effects in the open days thread.

I think it's probably quite tricky to film the effects, as clever camera functions will try and compensate for the change in light. It needs a proper video session with manual camera control, I think.

Nigel
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Offline Nigel Packer  
#15 Posted : 22 December 2016 23:23:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post

When visiting Nigels train room it is a bit disconcerting to have the blinds suddenly come down and the lighting turn itself down, thunderstorm start - all just as you need the light to get a train rerailed or you are putting stock on the parade track. Blushing




Just like real life . . . .


Nigel
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Offline Jabez  
#16 Posted : 23 December 2016 00:02:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
Miniatur Wunderland in Hamburg going through day/night phases, has anyone got any idea for how to do this at home?

If you don't get any good steers here, look on some coral reef tropical fish sites (a former hobby of mine), these guys know how to control lighting over their tanks all the way down to phases of the moon and transits of Venus.
I heard that lonesome whistle blow. Hank Williams
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Offline GlennM  
#17 Posted : 03 January 2017 19:27:44(UTC)
GlennM

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Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Go to Quoted Post
I have all this technology on my layout, but I went for the complex option!

I use Light@Night software from LDT, with specially made light fittings in the room, and automatic roller blinds on all the windows that are coordinated with the lighting. The software controls all the layout lighting, buildings, station lights, street lights, floodlights, etc, and the room lights which are a combination of white, red and blue fluorescent tubes in four lighting units. There are also ambient sounds like weather and fireworks. We have graduated lighting for daylight, dusk, night, dawn, etc, with continuous variable colour changes from one period to the next. The software allows complete programming of everything, down to the individual light level, so buildings and street lights don't all light up at the same time.

It works very well, but it's complicated and it was expensive to locate some of the hardware.

Nigel


For those interested in seeing Nigel's bespoke lighting system:-




Don't look back, your not heading that way.
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Offline Minok  
#18 Posted : 03 January 2017 20:29:22(UTC)
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I've been planning along this line of having day-sunset-night-sunrise-day sequences in my layout room as I build up the room and layout.

To that end, I installed track lighting that takes line voltage track lights - the thinking is that I can use Philips Hue (or others if they come along) in the MR-16 bulb with GU10 bulb base.
Philips makes a Hue bulb in the GU10 base/MR16 form factor.. Its spendy, where a a GU10 LED based white non-smart bulb is around $4.80, the Hue color changeable one is $50 for one bulb. So at this point I just purchased ONE bulb to test the theory. Right now I've got about 10 or so heads on the ceiling and all but the 1 Hue are white LED 3000K temperature lamps.

The plan is to have the computer control software be able to use the RGB setting capabilities of the lights to paint the scene going from daylight to an dimmer orange and red sunset transition to blue night and back through a sunrise to daylight. If I place the heads well I can even have the sun rise from one end of the room and set at the other side of the room.

Thats the theory.

In practice, the GU10 bulbs are still too expensive to outfit the room just yet (there's no rush, I'll put that in last, for now the white lights will do just fine).
The software needs to be there. While I can set the color of each individual bulb in the room (presently only one) independently by software, presently the Philips software isn't very good for that and I've not checked how a zigbee home automation hub would work in this regard, since one may or may not have to work through a Philips Hue hub. Technology wise, its doable, whether brand closed architectures and restrictive idiocy will be a problem I'm not sure.

So I'm planning but only have the basic infrastructure in. I expect the implementation landscape could change in the next 2 years to make it cheaper/better - or the GU10 base bulbs may disappear and put the kaibash on the whole plan.
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Offline Minok  
#19 Posted : 03 January 2017 20:36:53(UTC)
Minok

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Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Go to Quoted Post
I have all this technology on my layout, but I went for the complex option!

I use Light@Night software from LDT, with specially made light fittings in the room, and automatic roller blinds on all the windows that are coordinated with the lighting. The software controls all the layout lighting, buildings, station lights, street lights, floodlights, etc, and the room lights which are a combination of white, red and blue fluorescent tubes in four lighting units. There are also ambient sounds like weather and fireworks. We have graduated lighting for daylight, dusk, night, dawn, etc, with continuous variable colour changes from one period to the next. The software allows complete programming of everything, down to the individual light level, so buildings and street lights don't all light up at the same time.

It works very well, but it's complicated and it was expensive to locate some of the hardware.

Nigel


It would be awesome if you could do a writeup on the technology selection and solutions you went with, and what all the parts are some day.
Toys of tin and wood rule!
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Offline alan  
#20 Posted : 03 January 2017 22:37:08(UTC)
alan

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brilliant layout nigel
very good video glenn

alan plymouth
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Offline GlennM  
#21 Posted : 03 January 2017 23:56:21(UTC)
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brilliant layout nigel
very good video glenn

alan plymouth


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Offline DaleSchultz  
#22 Posted : 06 January 2017 02:10:35(UTC)
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I have a bunch of Hue lights including two Hue LED strips. Yes, expensive, but I got mine for free - but that is another story...

I used the LED strips to create both sunrise and sunset scenes as you suggest, as well as an animated aurora borealis. It is very hard to photograph, but you can see some images at http://cabin-layout.blog.../07/aurora-borealis.html

and

http://cabin-layout.blog.../07/bridge-backdrop.html
Dale
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