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Good day! I have seen Märklin´s new locomotives do have pickup shoe which you just clip on under the frame of the body. But the problem occurs sometimes with bad contact. Even ESU do have sometimes problem with that. So simple question...do you prefer pickup shoe with the wire soldered? |
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I have seen a member here, who recommends spring clamps for the digital system; because soldered connections often makes worse contact. Maybe Märklin has read that recommendation and now follows this advice ??? https://www.marklin-user...l-system.aspx#post431892Per. |
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Originally Posted by: Purellum  I have seen a member here, who recommends spring clamps for the digital system; because soldered connections often makes worse contact. Maybe Märklin has read that recommendation and now follows this advice ??? https://www.marklin-user...l-system.aspx#post431892Per. It´s difference between pickup shoe and spring clamps. Pickup shoe do vibration on the track and do have sometimes bad contact on the underframe of the locomotive,while spring clamps is for installation. Yours attitude is not even good respons from you,as usual. |
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Spring clamps is also for installation in places with vibration, we use the a lot in wind turbines. The pickup shoe is also a spring, so there is no significant difference. Your attitude is to try to find whatever negative you can about Märklin, now giving the funny result, that when you recommend to avoid soldering and use spring clamps, you find it good; but when Märklin does exactly the same, you find it bad. This is what you wrote about soldering: Quote:I did mistake before by soldering the wires, but solder makes sometimes worse contact for the digital system. Just pure copper connect at once to all. Per. |
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Originally Posted by: Purellum  Spring clamps is also for installation in places with vibration, we use the a lot in wind turbines. The pickup shoe is also a spring, so there is no significant difference. Your attitude is to try to find whatever negative you can about Märklin, now giving the funny result, that when you recommend to avoid soldering and use spring clamps, you find it good; but when Märklin does exactly the same, you find it bad. This is what you wrote about soldering: Quote:I did mistake before by soldering the wires, but solder makes sometimes worse contact for the digital system. Just pure copper connect at once to all. Per. Pickup shoe as spring clamp with soldered wire is better than without wire to have safety contact on the stud contact. Pickup shoes do vibration a lot on Märklins tracks with stud contacts while you drive. It´s solder that makes lesser contact,while pure copper do better contact for the digital system. But for the locomotives you don´t have possible in other ways than to solder wires. You must understand,that small parts like locomotives models do have manefacturing of the preform,so pickup shoe as spring clamp without the wire is not good always since there is sometimes default. Yes i do find Märklin´s trainmodels is bad to often. Sometimes i do find derailment with electronic too. |
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My Württemberg C loks have a spring-clamped pickup slider. They run perfectly in digital... Not even copper in the clamp that is holding the slider in these models.... I think we are splitting hairs regarding reliability vs easiness of replacement here... Copper connection blades will oxidize over time if not "scrubbed", so frequent use of locos is recommended.... My older locos have soldered wires to the slider, they work great too - so is this really a problem? |
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I'm sorry; but this doesn't make any sense at all: Quote:Pickup shoe as spring clamp with soldered wire is better than without wire to have safety contact on the stud contact. Pickup shoes do vibration a lot on Märklins tracks with stud contacts while you drive. It´s solder that makes lesser contact,while pure copper do better contact for the digital system. But for the locomotives you don´t have possible in other ways than to solder wires. You must understand,that small parts like locomotives models do have manefacturing of the preform,so pickup shoe as spring clamp without the wire is not good always since there is sometimes default. Yes i do find Märklin´s trainmodels is bad to often. Sometimes i do find derailment with electronic too. "Soldered wire is better than without wire" ?? Yes, it's not a wireless system ! A spring clamp system will work just as well on a miniature locomotive as on a wind turbine. "pickup shoe as spring clamp without the wire is not good always since there is sometimes default" ???? Spring clamp without wire ?? "Sometimes i do find derailment with electronic too" ??? Even Google translate derails quite often. Per. |
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I'm sorry, I've read this thread three times and I still can't make any sense of it.
Wireless pickups?....
Electronic derailments?.... |
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Probably one of these in the digital system again . Per. |
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Originally Posted by: RayF  I'm sorry, I've read this thread three times and I still can't make any sense of it.
Wireless pickups?....
Electronic derailments?.... Me too - I suspect it is a reliance on Google Translate again ...
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Severals of Märklin´s locomotives do have in another way to open the body. You must remove off pickup shoe with spring clamp first before to open the body,by doing service inside of the locomotive. This is not good for the contact between pickup shoe and the underframe with contact to the PCB,when you shall open the body often. That´s way i prefer to have pickup shoe with wire. Not wireless pickup shoe. I did created this topic to find and help with customer who do have same problems. ESU do have same problems with the pickup shoe without wire. Some customer do or did had problems with the pickup shoe as spring clamp. I´m very dissapointed to see how an member do start troll fight by jokes. It don´t helps when somebody don´t respect topic. |
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It is enough with a few tenths of a millimeter,to make it lag between skid and bottom nest. It´s easy by doing design flaws as results. |
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Here is one picture i show up. When i notice how spring clamp pickup shoe are produced like that,i notice there is two weak points. The first is the snap mount that device. The second is copper contact under the pickup shoe due to the underframe. I believe an wire soldered on the pickup shoe do better work with safety contact to the PCB. Goofy attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Purellum  As usual you are dane with sovereignty. I did wrote an mail to Märklin and they did answered back the next day. They told and said,it´s unnecessary. But they didn´t verified if there was problems. |
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Originally Posted by: Goofy  Originally Posted by: Purellum  As usual you are dane with sovereignty. I did wrote an mail to Märklin and they did answered back the next day. They told and said,it´s unnecessary. But they didn´t verified if there was problems. Did you really ask Märklin about that? Per. |
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Just wanted to add, that NOW Google translate "ström spikningar" as "power spike solutions". No more detonations... :-) ¿An improvement? Goofy; Please do NOT rely on Google for your translations! Also, -as a dane- I feel obligated to ask you to refrain from danes-bashing too. (Or at least; that is what I *think* you were trying to do here; Quote:As usual you are dane with sovereignty.
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I did created an topic and asked nice. Not to see troll with **** comments!  |
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Quote:I did created an topic and asked nice. Not to see troll with **** comments! And I replied nicely, with a link to your own topic, where you recommend spring clamps instead of soldering. If you find that to be " **** comments", please remember that you wrote it yourself. Per. |
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I was always satisfied when Marklin used a screw to attach the slider always makes good contact easy to change. Snapping them in seems only to save Marklin the money of a screw and I suspect there will future problems of this method. On the steam loks I am not happy that put the slider on the tender which has caused me problems because the light weight of the tender compared to mounting it on the lok where there greater weight and better contact with the track and less derailments.
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Märklin did not verified if to snap pickup shoe do make default with contact too,due to design flaws. I know it happens so. |
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Quote:I know it happens so. Can you tell us how or why you know this? Given the record of what you previously has presented as "things you know", I would like to hear an argument. Per. |
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The screw mounted sliders in my locos rely on contact between the lugs on the base of the slider and a brass plate on the bottom of the loco chassis. There is no soldered connection between the two, otherwise it would be difficult to swap sliders easily.
Most of my newer locos have the clip on sliders. I see no difference in performance between the two types.
As to the tender mounted sliders, this has been around since the 1970s, starting, I believe, with the good old 3085 and 3084. I've never had a problem with derailments, except for once when I forgot to put the weights back in after converting my 3085 to digital
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Originally Posted by: SteamNut  On the steam loks I am not happy that put the slider on the tender which has caused me problems because the light weight of the tender compared to mounting it on the lok where there greater weight and better contact with the track and less derailments. I had this problem with one of my 03's. The tender is so light that it would derail when going over turnouts since the pukos are a bit higher and the springiness of the slider was enough to push it off. It was an easy solve by adding some lead adhesive weights to the inside of the tender. http://www.greathobbies....ctinfo/?prod_id=GPMQ4485
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Hello I had the derailment problem when I changed the electromecanical reverse unit in the 3082 for a 6080 decoder, then the tender derails sometimes over turnouts, add some lead, fix the problem. This difference in weight between the reverse relais a decoder also give some problems on others loks, but these analog lok weren't designed to work with less weight, and it was easy to add some extra weight. To add weight to loks and wagons I use two metods, the small leads used to balance tyres in cars and also I use modelling clay (plastelina). In any case I haven't seen any difference in the behaviour of a loco equipped with slider with clip or screw, there's no difference for me. I like märklin very much, and I am also I'm pretty critical of some of the brand guidelines, especially during the last years, but I recognize that making trains are the best, and I like. I do not understand that being in a forum about marklin, someone insist on saying it's bad or defects they have, (there are, no doubt). Best regards Edited by user 12 January 2015 05:34:11(UTC)
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do the sliders wear out and then need replacing?
how long does a slider last approximately?
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Originally Posted by: db ice3  do the sliders wear out and then need replacing?
how long does a slider last approximately? Sliders last a long time in normal use, but sometimes they get mangled or bent from accidents and derailments, and then it's best to replace them. I've never had one wear out, and I've been running my trains for many years, but I suppose if you run the same train every day for many hours then it could happen. |
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thanks RayF for clarifying that for me!
i really didnt know about the sliders / wear etc!
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In all of my collection, there are perhaps 4 Maerklin loks that have sliders with soldered on wire. Most of the locomotives that I have acquired since the 1970s have either screw on or clip-in sliders which make contact with a plate built into or attached to the underside of the bogie. I have not experienced any contact issues as a result of this. A few of the newer models might actually have clip-in sliders with soldered wire. I would have to check to be certain. Most of my Hag and Roco loks have a wire attached to the slider base.
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