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Originally Posted by: RayF  Hi Jacques, All model railways are fantasies. You just have to decide what works for you!  I can always imagine that, in my fantasy world, DB decided to try the turqouise and beige livery on a couple of the Br103 and B120 locos for use on non-IC passenger trains .... if you knew how many times I travel with Marlene Dietrich in my early DRG trains ..... or in the California Zephyr with Alfred Hitchcock on board .... even too with Amtrack..... you know! If you knew with whom I dined in the restaurant coach of my international trains ...! When I play with my trains I'm making my own cinema, I become both movie director & art director... You may say I'm crazy or just a fool, I did not need to force me, as soon as the train starts so many scenarii came into my mind...  
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Originally Posted by: RayF  Hi Jacques, All model railways are fantasies. You just have to decide what works for you!  I can always imagine that, in my fantasy world, DB decided to try the turqouise and beige livery on a couple of the Br103 and B120 locos for use on non-IC passenger trains I like the way you think! |
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Originally Posted by: jeehring  When I play with my trains I'm making my own cinema, I become both movie director & art director... You may say I'm crazy or just a fool, I did not need to force me, as soon as the train starts so many scenarii came into my mind...
That's all right...as long as you let me be the train driver! |
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Seems it is not an original idea. Look at Roco new item 78290 (page 26 of their 2014 new items brochure)....  Edit: Upps! Seems it is not correct because the Roco loco colors are a different painting scheme. Please disregard this post. Edited by moderator 21 January 2014 20:44:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto  Seems it is not an original idea. Look at Roco new item 78290 (page 26 of their 2014 new items brochure)....  Google translation: The official rollout of the electric locomotive E 03 001 in the rheingold typical, blue and beige livery of the early 60s is on 1 April 2014 made in DB Museum in Nuremberg. The model for model locomotive is specially presented on this occasion in your new color dress to the public. Subsequently, the engine may be in the Museum open to visitors. To introduce the new, gleaming E 03 001, a special train consisting of the historical Rheingold Era III, drawn by an electric locomotive BR E 10 of 31 March to 1 April 2014 are posted at the following retailers. Thanks for that Miguel. The blue and Ivory of the Rheingold is slightly different to the turquoise and cream of the DB, is it not? Which one will Marklin be using I wonder? |
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Seems i am not capturing the right colors. I edit my previous post t remove the picture, then. |
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto  Seems i am not capturing the right colors. I edit my previous post t remove the picture, then. No Please don't remove the photo. It's nice to see this version from Roco too! |
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Originally Posted by: RayF  Originally Posted by: mbarreto  Seems i am not capturing the right colors. I edit my previous post t remove the picture, then. No Please don't remove the photo. It's nice to see this version from Roco too! Removed it before read your post, but it can still be seen in your post :) |
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So what's new part of all the re-production models, the only one I can see is a french steam loco and this could be another variation. |
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Originally Posted by: steventrain  Thanks, Steven - information I was searching for. Regards, PJ
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There is still 'Price unknown' on lokshop website but will price on all 2014 items after Nurnberg Toy fair. |
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Hi Stephen,
Lokshop has prices on many of the items but not all. I have already placed my order for several new items for 2014 |
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Just found out from my Marklin dealership the anticipated delivery date of my Italian loco 36619: "According to the latest anticipated delivery schedule the 36619 will be available sometime in the 4th quarter 2014 (Oct-Nov-Dec)" |
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I'm still waiting for my Br290 from the 2013 new items. It's been on order with Lokshop for over a year now! Mind you, I believe that some other brands are even worse, and you can expect a wait of two or three years after initial announcement. |
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A friend of mine is still waiting for delivery of the 58058 and 58059 1 Gauge Rheingold coaches, now scheduled for Q2 2014. These were announced as 2012 new items, so a year for you Ray, is not too much!
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About the italian model, if you don't know GTS rail |
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Originally Posted by: petestra  Ditto from here. |
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto  Originally Posted by: vilithejou  Originally Posted by: steventrain  Any news on Toy fair 2014 loco? No.. I think until next week... Can be possible BR 05 cab forward??? I think no, BR05 will be second lok insider on june According to http://www.ciciessemodel.it/blog/index.htmlseems it will be a pair of electric locos BR103 and BR120: "Possiamo anche anticipare quale sarà il modello edizione speciale Fiera di Norimberga 2014 (non contenuto nel catalogo): si tratta di una coppia di locomotori elettrici tedeschi (un 103 e un 120) in un’insolita livrea beige e turchese. La tiratura sarà limitata." Google translation: We can also anticipate what will be the special edition model Nuremberg Toy Fair 2014 (not contained in the catalog): This is a pair of electric locomotives in Germany (a 103 and a 120) livery in an unusual beige and turquoise. The print run will be limited. The price is 599 euro and very limited! |
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The folks at Märklin should get rid of their Spanish language translator. In the Export Item Brochure, Switzerland was translated as "Suecia", which is Sweden in Spanish. Switzerland is Suiza in Spanish. |
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Originally Posted by: Armando  The folks at Märklin should get rid of their Spanish language translator. In the Export Item Brochure, Switzerland was translated as "Suecia", which is Sweden in Spanish. Switzerland is Suiza in Spanish. But it's supposed to be the English/Swedish brochure. What's "Switzerland" in Swedish? |
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Originally Posted by: RayF  Originally Posted by: Armando  The folks at Märklin should get rid of their Spanish language translator. In the Export Item Brochure, Switzerland was translated as "Suecia", which is Sweden in Spanish. Switzerland is Suiza in Spanish. But it's supposed to be the English/Swedish brochure. What's "Switzerland" in Swedish? It is Schweiz. |
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Originally Posted by: Armando  Originally Posted by: RayF  Originally Posted by: Armando  The folks at Märklin should get rid of their Spanish language translator. In the Export Item Brochure, Switzerland was translated as "Suecia", which is Sweden in Spanish. Switzerland is Suiza in Spanish. But it's supposed to be the English/Swedish brochure. What's "Switzerland" in Swedish? It is Schweiz. Yes, exactly. That's what it should say. There is no mention of Spanish anywhere else in that brochure, so Suecia is all wrong, whether they meant Switzerland or Sweden! To me it looks like a "cut and paste" error from another document. At least it got us to look twice at the brochure. Maybe it was deliberate?  Edited by user 30 January 2014 14:36:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF  Originally Posted by: Armando  Originally Posted by: RayF  Originally Posted by: Armando  The folks at Märklin should get rid of their Spanish language translator. In the Export Item Brochure, Switzerland was translated as "Suecia", which is Sweden in Spanish. Switzerland is Suiza in Spanish. But it's supposed to be the English/Swedish brochure. What's "Switzerland" in Swedish? It is Schweiz. Yes, exactly. That's what it should say. There is no mention of Spanish anywhere else in that brochure, so Suecia is all wrong, whether they meant Switzerland or Sweden! To me it looks like a "cut and paste" error from another document. At least it go us to look twice at the brochure. Maybe it was deliberate? At least it go us to look twice at the brochure. |
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Originally Posted by: Mulldog Lemon  Originally Posted by: RayF  Originally Posted by: Armando  Originally Posted by: RayF  Originally Posted by: Armando  The folks at Märklin should get rid of their Spanish language translator. In the Export Item Brochure, Switzerland was translated as "Suecia", which is Sweden in Spanish. Switzerland is Suiza in Spanish. But it's supposed to be the English/Swedish brochure. What's "Switzerland" in Swedish? It is Schweiz. Yes, exactly. That's what it should say. There is no mention of Spanish anywhere else in that brochure, so Suecia is all wrong, whether they meant Switzerland or Sweden! To me it looks like a "cut and paste" error from another document. At least it go us to look twice at the brochure. Maybe it was deliberate? At least it go us to look twice at the brochure. Sorry, typo! That should have been "...it got us to look twice at the brochure..." |
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The twin pack lok set of Toy Fair is #31014  |
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First 2014 two locos is delivery - 36795 and 37923. |
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou  The twin pack lok set of Toy Fair is #31014  Also in Z gauge - 88179 |
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The toy fair 31014 is now sold out at the factory to advance orders! |
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Originally Posted by: jvuye  Originally Posted by: RayF  That will be unusual! Did the Br103 and Br120 ever run in these colours?
I'm a great fan of the turquoise and beige era. I have Br261, 212, 216, 141, 111, 194, 144 and soon also the 290 all in these colours. I'm very tempted by the 103 in particular. I can understand that Ray..I do too! However these are pure fantasy models: nor the 103 or the 120 were ever painted in these colors. If I remember correctly the"Toy Fair Special" has always been a fantasy model I bet you the road numbers will be 103 2014 and 120 2014... Last year Black Crocodile was another good example. ( numbered 14 2013..) Yes, I loved it  and I bought it... It crossed the Atlantic twice since I bought it from a long time dealer/friend in the US! Cheers Well... Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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I don't know about the above photo and date.
I think Roco have sponsored a 103 to be re-painted into this blue and cream livery, but with the RHEINGOLD lettering on the side along with matching coaches.
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  Well... That looks like a digital colour replacement. I have not been able to find a single photo on Google images of the 103 184 in ocean blue. I have never heard of any 103 ocean blue livery. |
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Well, that photo was a result of my Google search: http://imagizer.imagesha.../103rheingoldblauxh0.jpgAnyway, even if the 103 was never painted in ocean beige-blue, it could have been plausible to do so, given that the 103 saw many liveries in her career - see photo 1 - and considering that many classes were painted ocean blue-beige, e.g., 110, 140, 111, 218, 212, 360, V 200. It even happened to a good old class 118 as below authentic photo 2 shows.
Source of photo 1: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB-Baureihe_103Source of photo 2: http://upload.wikimedia....18ob.jpg/800px-118ob.jpg(Bild mit GNU-Lizenz * Beschreibung: DB 118 013 * Quelle: selbst fotografiert 28.07.1983 München an der Donnersberger Brücke * Fotograf: Benedikt Dohmen (user: Benedictus), Archiv-Nr. 17/16 * Copyright Status: GNU Freie Dokumentationslizenz Diese Datei ist unter der Creative Commons-Lizenz Namensnennung-Weitergabe unter gleichen Bedingungen 3.0 Unported lizenziert.) Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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As I understand it the Rheingold TEE Blue and Cream livery is different to the much later Ocean Blue and Beige as shown on the picture of the 118.
That was around in the 1980s I believe, and indeed I saw a 111 in Ocean Blue and Beige at Hockenhrim in 1992.
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Yes, there are two different colour schemes. One is the 1950s Rheingold colours, and the other is the 1970s standard ocean-blue and beige. I'm not sure if the beige part is the same shade, but the blue is certainly quite different. The Br118 in blue/beige was made by Marklin as part of a set of two locos, the other being in bare metal colour. The set had the catalogue number 3667.   |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  Anyway, even if the 103 was never painted in ocean beige-blue, it could have been plausible to do so In era IV, fast locos where cream/red, not so fast locos were cream/blue. BR 103 was a fast loco. The 1962 Rheingold had the colours Beige (RAL 1001) and Cobalt Blue (RAL 5013). After 1974, trains were Ivory (RAL 1014) and Ocean Blue (RAL 5020). Sponsored by Roco, E 03 001 appeared in Cobalt Blue in 2014 (I don't know if the top was Beige or Ivory) for the first time in history. Roco also made a model of that loco. Previously Roco already made a BR 103 in Ivory/Ocean Blue, but that was pure fantasy. The one and only BR 103 in Traffic Red was also sponsored by Roco. |
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Originally Posted by: H0  Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  Anyway, even if the 103 was never painted in ocean beige-blue, it could have been plausible to do so In era IV, fast locos where cream/red, not so fast locos were cream/blue. BR 103 was a fast loco. The 1962 Rheingold had the colours Beige (RAL 1001) and Cobalt Blue (RAL 5013). After 1974, trains were Ivory (RAL 1014) and Ocean Blue (RAL 5020). Sponsored by Roco, E 03 001 appeared in Cobalt Blue in 2014 (I don't know if the top was Beige or Ivory) for the first time in history. Roco also made a model of that loco. Previously Roco already made a BR 103 in Ivory/Ocean Blue, but that was pure fantasy. The one and only BR 103 in Traffic Red was also sponsored by Roco. So for the record, we can agree that at certain point of time for whatever motivation one BR 103 (E 03 001) appeared in Beige/Ivory and Cobalt Blue / RAL 5013 (2014) and another BR 103 (103 233-3) appeared Traffic Red (2000*), right?  * http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB-Baureihe_103 |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  So for the record, we can agree that at certain point of time for whatever motivation one BR 103 (E 03 001) appeared in Beige/Ivory and Cobalt Blue / RAL 5013 (2014) [...], right? Right. A museum loco, not operational. Here you can see a picture of E 03 001 - and of the Rh. 1042 loco that hauled the visitors to the railway museum (both locos in Rheingold ’62 livery): http://www.mec01.muenchberg.de/mecframe.htmScroll down or search for "Rheingold". |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Crocodile 37568 will have a 3-poles. 354 euro is a lot of money for 3-pole so I have to cancelled order.  |
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Originally Posted by: Barguest  do know if 41929 Rhinegold set is still to be make? Set was first announced for Q4/2013. Then it was Q2/2014. Now it is announced for August 2014. And that's for the first batch, production may take several months. That's not unusual for Märklin. Product database now shows red and yellow. Traffic light changes to yellow when the first batch was shipped. Can happen any day soon. Or any month soon. Edited by user 29 August 2014 19:24:15(UTC)
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Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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