Oops, this will yield an interesting loco [:0][:0]!

I would guess you'll replace one of the trucks of the V200 by the frame of the BR 89, so you intend to make a Bo-C' diesel ?

BTW this wouldn't be that unrealistic. On the first diesel locos which where built in the 1920s and 30s the diesel motor acted on an air compressor, which in turn suppied a conventional steam engine with power. So one could well imagine that the diesel motor of the V200 worked in the same way, perhaps to increase tractive effort when pulling very heavy freight trains on grades, e.g. for helper service.

Just an idea, with many open ends [:I]. Still TTNE, but eventually a ´plausible concept.

Highly interested to see the output.

Hans Martin

Hans Martin,

Come to think of it: what a great idea - a BC' engine. Well, the idea is added to the list!

Thanks, it will be called "HM289"

Regards,

Cem.

With the remaining shell of the BR 89 on the hydraulically driven truck of the V 200 you could construct a quite innovative steam turbine shunting loco

Hans Martin

Ok folks,

Here we start!

A word of warning here: ALWAYS USE PROTECTIVE GLASSES WHEN WORKING WITH METAL!

As indicated above i started to work on the main project TTNE - episode 2: articulated V200.

I removed the paint on two V200 (3021) locomotives with Marshal paint remover - use paint removers with extreme care as they are corrosive!





It took me about 4 rounds of applying the paint remover and cleaning to get the two bodies to an acceptable level.

Then i cut the heads of the bodies with a hand drill.





And i got to plan the details of how to connect the two large bodies. In the meantime i put the remaining shorter head to a weird place that when i woke up they were the first things to see. Possibly seeing them that much made me start thinking "i must use those two for something too".

Later in the week, a friend posted a great work of weathering to our forum showing a locomotive body removed from the chasis sitting at the side of a loko shed. And that was the answer to my question of "what should i do with this 3000 with a broken body?".

When i was examining the 3000, i suddenly recalled the shorter heads of the 3021s. Tried them on the 3000 body and voila: perfect match!

So i put the major project aside and started with the "bonus" project. First thing i decided was to use the bumpers from the 3000 chasis giving the body a better place to sit on. So i first cut the bumber section off the heads - hand drill again.



Then, because i wanted the corners of the V200 heads to have a bit more flesh, i sanded the tiny portruding places on the chasis. While on that, i cut off the front stairs too as they wouldn't be needed.

Chasis stripped off the motor and all other removable stuff:



You can see the sanding at the back - the place that is shiny:



And the front - stairs are gone:



And we finish with the chasis for now.

To be continued ...

Benny hi,

Thanks.

I really chose a €20 model to experiment working with metal. Anybody would have had the courage to do the same

On the way i found out that the skill part requires only one thing (with metal that is): a steady hand.

Harder part is the planning, and now I'm working on painting & weathering i wish i could do better weathering - well, this is giving me the chance to see what i'm doing wrong and hopefully in the next project I'll be much better

But I sincerely can suggest any modeller undertake such projects - they are so much fun!

All the best,

Cem.

I would find it very hard to take a hacksaw to a perfectly good marklin model, no matter how little I paid for it.

Good luck with your project, but forgive me if I don't watch!

Ray

Hi Cem,

No criticism intended. It's just that, for me, cutting a beautiful old classic in half would be very painful. The fact that you have destroyed 3 models is almost unbearable to my eyes.

This does not mean that I think you've done anything wrong, it's just that I couldn't do it.

There are many things one can do with an old model, and "kit-bashing" it to create a model of another prototype, or an imaginary one, can be a creative and rewarding experience. I have done it myself with building kits, and even wagons, but I couldn't bring myself to do it with a Marklin loco!

I have had, for some time, an idea of getting an old, tatty 3021 and stripping it down and repainting it. I might get round to doing it one day. That is probably the closest I would come to a project like yours.

Ray

Cem, this is admirable work! I have been sitting at my screen for some time now watching your masterpiece, and was considering how such a prototype could technically work, regarding the limited space under the shell. I would suggest to run it as the model of a new propulsion concept study as follows:

You could employ it a helper loco on mountain lines, or add it to freight trains as a combined, very special helper and braking loco.
When the train runs downhill, the weight of the train drives the steam engine of the loco. The steam engine produces highly compressed air which is stored in a gas tank virtually situated under the shell.

On other parts of the mountain line when the train has to climb a grade, the compressed air is released to the steam engine which now provides additional tractive effort.

This could greatly reduce fuel costs, perhaps it's a viable concept for the future when the world, and the railroad companies will run short with fuel. Anyway, the loco will look extremely cool in a consist with another V200, or your TCDD F7.

IMHO, there is a loco constructor in any model railroader.

Hans Martin

Ok, we continue working on our little monster:

After finishing with the chasis and the main body work, i drilled the screw hole on the ceiling and decide to add the handle details (found on modern versions of V200).

First the hole on top:



And the holes for the handles - notice that the "DB" mark is gone too:



I got rid of the "V200060" writing too before starting the paint job.



And the first layer of protective coating:



Try the body on the chasis; we're moving nicely:



At this stage i decide to hand-paint the model. Here's the first layer of paint:



And the second:



Looks awful - right. I thought so too, white protective coating was no good idea - so i decide to clean the whole body and start over.

After two layers of paint i feel much better. For the lining i used Tamiya titanium yellow.



And the details:



A second layer of paint on details makes them look much better:



To be continued ...

Regards,

Cem.

Reminds me of the "Taxi lok" some years ago...

I am deeply impressed! The shell parts and the frame match perfectly. Looks like a loco from another planet. An eye catcher on any layout.

Hans Martin

Right on spot Ray!

That's exactly the same feeling i got when i first saw it after spraying it white

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Orubias hi,

i originally intended to paint it with spray, but after some consideration and in the light of the story i made up for the loko, i decided that hand-painting would give me the perfect effect for this loko: a not-so-perfect body-job.

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Hans-Martin hi,

i'm hoping to test-run it on Thursday. I guess it really will be "a strange good looking monster" on the layout.

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I guess it is time to tell you the made-up story of this loko:

In 1967, acting upon the notice received from the TCDD headquarters asking all units to work on alternative ways to drive steam engines, Mr. Seref Ozturk, an engineer in Eskisehir depot asks for permission to do some research work on a TCDD 33000 (three axles, all driven) engine which at the time was in Eskisehir spared for scrapping due to high maintenance costs. After receiving the permission Mr. Ozturk starts working on the engine: the idea was to convert it to a pneumatic diesel, which he had the chance to study while in Germany for his internship.

First the boiler and the cab was removed to make space for the Cummins diesel engine and a home-made compressor. The project team decides that the body work would be similar to the then popular V200 design, and the locomotive would be painted dark green; a scheme that was never used by TCDD until then.

After 5 months of hard work the new little locomotive was ready for testing. In the 8 month test period the machine performs flawlessly; despite the fuel economy the design provided, due high maintenance costs TCDD decided not to go ahead with the project.

And this cute little engine remained the first and only pneumatic diesel of the Anatolian railways.

I decided to name the type as "MODEL T" and name the loko "Gaffer".

Recent photos later today.

Thanks to everybody for all the kind words.

Best regards,

Cem.

Ok folks,

We're about to finish:

The fun part starts with detailing - handrails at the sides fo the doors and the handles at both ends are made and put into place with help of two component epoxy. They are supported to elevate them from the surface (gives much better looks in my opinion).

You will notice that i have thinned the rust effect at some places as i tought that it was a bit too much.

First the handrails:



Epoxy on the inside:



And now the handles:



The handrail detail parts are made of thickest plain guitar string (thickest gauge G string )

And the final operation before touch-ups and lighting: installing the five pole motor and the decoder.

Motor and rotor in place:



Motor shield installed:



I used double sided tape to hold the decoder in place:



Decoder in place:



Decoder soldered:



Notice the weathering on rods and wheels - not final though ...

Track test tomorrow!

Regards,

Cem.

Cut Chop Rebuild! and I thought poeple only did that with old muscle cars!

Kind of like this Russian jet railcar?

Yep,

That's the one!

Cheers,

Cem.

what ever happened to that jet wagon - my guess is it ran well and ended up at a dead end buffer and could not reverse itself out again... :-)

Looks like a cheap copycat from our NYC AEROTRAIN LWT12 made by GM in 1955.
Same story as with the SPACE SHUTTLE ... [xx(][}:)]



Congratulations - cool job, Cem !!!

Yep. Chop Suey Grill Train. How trivial ...

BTW - never been put into service, Juhan. Just a test mule ...

Sexy, huh ??? ... o.k. - as sexy as a pregnant elephant cow

Sexy ? Extremely ugly is more like it !

True. Generally, I like aerodynamicaly shaped vehicles. Maybe it's our first Starship? The antenna emits a forcefield to protect the hull from meteorites, and projects the air from the internal atmosphere processor. The engines use that for thrust. The engines, turbines, bearings are made of metallic glass ceramic composites and are impervious to heat. They are ten times the size of a comercial jet engine. Instaed of a speed of 600+ miles per hour, they cruise at ten times the speed. Not near light speed, but 6,000 miles per hour is a start.

What a great layout idea!

Maybe Cem's TTNEs didn't exist in the past, but they might emerge in a fantastic future...

I have a slightly different layout proposal. Imagine a layout representing a dark and pessimistic vision on an apocalyptic world that might emerge one day in the future, as shown in some science fiction or fantasy movies, or as described in some of Stanislaw Lem's books. Eventually a post-nuclear-war world of the 22nd century, or simply a world deprived of all natural and technological resources, but filled up with waste and garbage. Individual motor traffic or flying by airplane would be impossible on an earth looking more like the moon's surface, or be restricted to a few extremely priviledged individuals. Hard stuff, but why should we model railroaders be softer guys than the Hollywood movie makers ?

In such a scenario one can't take anything for granted, but can set up any concept that appears plausible from the technical point of view. One could assume that trains were the backbone of public transport, for the distribution of food and energy, as they had been in the 19th and early 20th century. The railroads had to keep up service using the material from today's industrial era, which they have to rebuild according to their needs. In this case it could be quite natural to see a V200 standing near a F7, or any steamer, or a jet driven railcar. Imagine your locos travelling through a dramatic layout scenery over steep and curvy grades, and over old rusty steel brigdes, on wiggly tracks. Of course, with a wild mixture of cars from any era and provenience (however with a consistent TTNE livery and weathering)

Hans Martin

Cem,

I love it!!! (KLVM?)(Kermit?)


Now, since Mother M did not make a Budd RDC (did she?), she did make the 40712:

http://medienpdb.maerkli.../einzelansicht/40712.jpg

Just remove the panto and install some B-52 jet engines from the junk box and VIOLA - a jet train!

Boy, am I gonna' pay for this idea....

Jim (In The Mode)

For slightly more up-beat future (with trains ), try Peter F Hamilton's Commonwealth Saga books (Pandora's Star and Judas Unchained).
These feature worm-holes linking planets, with almost all freight and passengers carried in trains, with very large (sometimes nuclear-powered) locomotives. He even describes many of them, with model numbers.