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jeehring
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22 December 2012 11:02:33(UTC)
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BTW, which exact word did they write on the English side of the second car ? (I guess "PLAY" ...but I haven't seen it yet...)
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Do these cars have any Maerklin productnumbers?
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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Yes, they have, I can find them when I get home. ..
A single track on the floor is better than no track at all...
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Originally Posted by: H0
I wouldn't be surprised if the third car bears "LERNEN." (to learn).
Maybe they found a German name for their "my world" series?
Or perhaps "Erfahren" (Experience).
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Hi, I'm home again after the last Christmas shopping, so the first of the two models have number 4415.563 and the text "TECHNIK.":
The English text is "TECHNOLOGY.":
The second has number 4415.564 and the text "SPIELEN":
The English text is "PLAYING.":
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Hi all,
I was reading page 2 fo Märklin Magazine (english version), and as Märklin managing director Stefan Löbich says the moto selected for Märklin is "Technology, Play, Fascination". Seems easy to guess that the 3rd wagon will have the word "fascination" in german (Faszination ?).
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The slogan "Technik erfahren" (Experience technology) has been used for at least 20 years now. So maybe yes. Why not?
But where's the surprise?
"Technik. Spielen. Erfahren." has no appeal to me.
On the boxes they write "Tradition, Qualität, Emotion, Innovation" (probably needs no translation).
I don't think any of these four will be shown on the third car either.
"Technik. Spielen. Lernen." would be a slogan addressed at the parents.
"Technik. Spielen. Abenteuer." (adventures) would be a slogan addressed at the children. Will we see a return of Märklin Alpha?
Edit: Miguel's post wasn't visible when I started writing. So the answer is "Faszination" (fascination).
And what will the surprise be?
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I'm thinking of buying those cars, they are available at ebay, not cheap, but perhaps they will mark a day to be remembered?
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This is really boring!
To show up with wagons for what...?
What is it really surprise from Marklin by saying technology and so on...!?
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I'm afraid I'm with Anders on this!
Can someone post in the title when the "surprise" is revealed, please. All this speculation about a couple of boring white vans is doing my head in...
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto
Löbich says the moto selected for Märklin is "Technology, Play, Fascination".
mfx: BUGGY TECHNOLOGY. PLUG'N'PRAY. FRUSTRATION.
(SCNR)
Now we know the moto. In three or four weeks we'll see how they want to live this moto.
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Well, I'm glad we've cleared all that up! Like Anders and Ray, this was doing my head in. Hopefully the 'surprise' won't be an anti climax.
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i have see some on ebay.de and buyitnow price between 40 and 50 euros each.
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The surprise will be in Nuremberg, not in the message .
It was never said that the surprise will be in the message.
This message is to create a little suspense about a "surprise" to be unveiled at Nuremberg toy fair...
If the surprise was explained in the message .... then there will be no more surprise in Nuremberg.
At least we can guess that the surprise report to the field of technology, not the field of pure modeling/scale model... (not about new special model, etc ...)
Today the "surprise" remains....
Into this message, I also see a sign of Marklin's come back, after the period of restrictions since Mr Pluta's management era....
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Originally Posted by: Goofy
This is really boring!
To show up with wagons for what...?
What is it really surprise from Marklin by saying technology and so on...!?
Wait for Nuremberg toy fair and go there.....
these three wagons are a way of announcing that there will be a surprise in Nuremberg Fair...
Did you really expect that the "surprise" was to be shown, explained or revealed in three words ?
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The Maerklin Shop in Amsterdam is saying that in 2013 we will see a spectacular new productline in their shop,further details to follow.
From various German websites it can be digested that the 2013 new items will be revealed in the last week of January.
Coming back on the special versions of the 4415,i guess the third will have productnumber 4415.565?
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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that in 2013 we will see a spectacular new productline in their shop,further details to follow.
0 gage ???
Why not!
Back to the roots.
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My guess is torwards 0 scale or maybe some kind of series production of brass models...
I also try to think from a digital system perspective, but nothing really new comes to my mind. Well, somethings come to my mind, like for example 3D images coming from the display of a new CS, or something more realistic that others already have like ESU's locomotives.
And other ideas, like a live steam locomotive in HO (others already have it...).
The possibilities are immense...
Probably I will not post before Christmas again. Wish you all season greetings!
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg
...(...)..., but perhaps they will mark a day to be remembered?
depending on what kind of "surprise", yes, they could...they should....
There is not railways marks such as "DB", or any other railway mentions. From a point of view "modeler", they are very ordinary ( banal, commonplace, ....).
this item was sent with a letter to retailers ....They are purely advertising objects. However, I think it is a production in limited quantities (but I've no real info on this data), that's why they could become a collector.Only the future will tell...
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My calculated guess is that Maerklin will come up with a new digital way of automated train steering on the layout.
Maerklin dealers have planned seminars for those interested in the early months of 2013,focus will be on automatic running of trains.
Already in an earlier stage,rumours said that M was working on an automated shadowstation function,whereby incoming trains would automatically opt for the free tracks.
The idea would be to design the layout on the PC,including all the stop/go/signal functions,test run it on the PC,thence put it in practice using amended M digital systems.
This concept would fall in line with the words Technology and Play.
Also,it would appeal to youngsters who are aquainted with a PC anyway.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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New digital system for mobilphone,Ipad and PC perhaps...?
Just an simple digital unit with router for MM,mfx and DCC.
Roco has new system but without interface for PC.
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From recent press reports on the possible take over of Maerklin by toy sellers Simba Dickie the CEO of Maerklin has been quoted to say that more focus will be put on the Scandinavian market as an area with growth potential.
As such,we might see a couple of nice new M models for those countries.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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New digital system for mobilphone,Ipad and PC perhaps...?
Just an simple digital unit with router for MM,mfx and DCC.
Roco has new system but without interface for PC.
So poor, so cheap !
The train manufacturer only has to invest into the design of the software, and we, customers, have to invest ourselves into the hardware, buying the hardware on shelves...
Have you seen the Roco Z1 : just a cube, no knobs , no throttles, no function keys, no screen....just a basic electronic card + few connectors....and they dare to sell it 400 E !
No more R&D, poor design, for sure Roco is the winner, very interesting for them (warranty without any risk, less service after sales) : the service is tranferred to Pad manufacturers...
CS2 is a real computer for trains. It is complete....and you can use mobile e-pads if you want !
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Hi all,
Pardon about the Roco
http://www.eurorailhobbies.com/...o/roco_z21_userguide.pdf
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.....that's what I said : all is in the software, that's all. It's a very good deal for them. It's a low cost product for them. Not for us. They succeed in cutting R&D + design costs : you have to buy a pad yourself. No physical throttles, no physical keys , no screen, etc..;etc.
you also depend on the autonomy of the Ipad (time range without connection = few hours. If you want to play at any time, don't forget to power the batteries & don't us your Ipad too much surfing the web !)
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.....that's what I said : all is in the software, that's all. It's a very good deal for them. It's a low cost product for them. Not for us. They succeed in cutting R&D + design costs : you have to buy a pad yourself. No physical throttles, no physical keys , no screen, etc..;etc.
you also depend on the autonomy of the Ipad (time range without connection = few hours. If you want to play at any time, don't forget to power the batteries !)
you missed it,....
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Originally Posted by: jeehring
.....that's what I said : all is in the software, that's all. It's a very good deal for them. It's a low cost product for them. Not for us. They succeed in cutting R&D + design costs : you have to buy a pad yourself. No physical throttles, no physical keys , no screen, etc..;etc.
you also depend on the autonomy of the Ipad (time range without connection = few hours. If you want to play at any time, don't forget to power the batteries !)
you missed it,....
I don't think so . I knew what you show .I knew this instruction manual..... (may be my English din't express what I want to say.....I think).
I try another way : all is in the I-pad, Not in the Roco hardware (or so few).
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I was replying to Goofy,there IS an interface with a computer!
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I'm afraid Marklin will do same way, other manufacturers too : just because it is less costs for the developpment of the hardware..
Less hadrware = less after sales service (the Ipad is guaranted by the Ipad manufacturer, not by the Central-unit manufacturer....)
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I was replying to Goofy,there IS an interface with a computer!
Right. Undocumented, proprietary, only "Freiwald Traincontroller" may use it (announced for February 2013).
So right now there is nothing but an announcement.
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I'm afraid Marklin will do same way, other manufacturers too : just because it is less costs for the developpment of the hardware..
Less hadrware = less after sales service (the Ipad is guaranted by the Ipad manufacturer, not by the Central-unit manufacturer....)
Hi jeehring,all,
Maybe but if the hardware is there,why develop it?
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My calculated guess is that Maerklin will come up with a new digital way of automated train steering on the layout.
Maerklin dealers have planned seminars for those interested in the early months of 2013,focus will be on automatic running of trains.
Already in an earlier stage,rumours said that M was working on an automated shadowstation function,whereby incoming trains would automatically opt for the free tracks.
The idea would be to design the layout on the PC,including all the stop/go/signal functions,test run it on the PC,thence put it in practice using amended M digital systems.
This concept would fall in line with the words Technology and Play.
Also,it would appeal to youngsters who are aquainted with a PC anyway.
I would like to see them go down the road of a train recognition system that will work with the CS2, something similar to Uhlenbrock's Lissy system.
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod
I was replying to Goofy,there IS an interface with a computer!
Right. Undocumented, proprietary, only "Freiwald Traincontroller" may use it (announced for February 2013).
So right now there is nothing but an announcement.
Right,...
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Maybe M is just doing a new app for iPad and maybe it is being done by Freiwald.... (this is just speculation)
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Something tells me the news could have to do with sound powered commands,using a headset.
Sorry,cannot give evidence,just a feeling.
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Something tells me the news could have to do with sound powered commands,using a headset.
Sorry,cannot give evidence,just a feeling.
Like dansih model?
But it´s not working good via sound speaking.
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I'm thinking of buying those cars, they are available at ebay, not cheap, but perhaps they will mark a day to be remembered?
This is a promotional item. The set is sent free of charge to retailers.
Each retailer will receive only one set. Normally it is not for sale, but I think that those mainly working with other brands will be tempted to sell it rapidly. Some train retailers are also toy retailers having some shelves for train among many other items...50E for a car, 150 E for 3, 100% profit = a good deal !
Last week I saw the second car on display at my dealer.
Each car is accompanied by a letter, with the second car they received another gift just for them.
During the last decade Marklin had never done this... this time I think Marklin has something important to present ..
This set could become a collector...Time will tell...
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Something tells me the news could have to do with sound powered commands,using a headset.
Sorry,cannot give evidence,just a feeling.
one set for a voice command CS2 : WOW .... what would that be cool!
With plenty of automates...I imagine myself talking with my train layout = fun !
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Something tells me the news could have to do with sound powered commands,using a headset.
Sorry,cannot give evidence,just a feeling.
Hi all,
Like is:
http://www.eurorailhobbies.com/...mp;stock=MISC-GOT10-0102
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Ths note at the end is telling!
"For Marklin users of the new Centrain Station 2, (60213) the folks at Gamesontrack are simply awaiting a protocal update for the interface ofn the 60213 and you will then be able to use this exciting game and tool. Stay tuned."
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Must be an old advertisement on Eurorail Hobbies webpage if they are only talking about a 60213 CS2. Here is the web site for Games On Track. It does work with Marklin's CS2:
www.gamesontrack.co.uk
And they also have a positioning system that works something like GPS:
http://www.gamesontrack.com/pag...e.asp?articleGuid=164202
I just don't like having to cut a hole in a loco or rolling stock to put the transmitter in. Otherwise, it looks pretty cool.
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It´s waste of time to get an "sound speaking" CS2 since we have knob controller instead which is much more fun to play.
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Voice control is good for kids and people with disabilities. Also when driving, but at the moment I am not planning to have a layout in my car. By the way I used voice control in a new car and it has some issues, although they maybe because of the language not being german....
For me knobs and mouse are great enough.
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Soo... with a bit from one post and a little from another, it sounds like Marklins version
of Hornbys E-Link ...
http://www.hornby.com/sh...aster-1-amp-transformer/
...got the points and electrical accessories control, PC connection, got the Voice control, Smart phone compliant..
But if a CS2 is necessary, well TECHNIK-SPIELEN-FASINATION (?) is for the few.
Hornby says "Hornby ‘eLink’ is placed in between the PC and the layout".
Yet shows a Elite controller in the picture ?
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Howard, that's quite a leap you've made to equate Marklin's plans with Hornby's E-Link! You might be right, but on the available evidence you could also be way off the right track.
If there's anything in this rumour of voice control it's likely to involve a PC control package like Hornby's Railmaster, rather than the E-Link hardware. On the other hand, maybe they are planning a cheap interface unit so you don't need a Central control at all, and this would be more like the E-Link.
I think it's fun to speculate on what the new "surprise" might be, but I think we should reserve our judgements until we have something concrete to go on. I wouldn't like to criticise Marklin based on what I think they are going to make!
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I think it's fun to speculate on what the new "surprise" might be, but I think we should reserve our judgements until we have something concrete to go on. I wouldn't like to criticise Marklin based on what I think they are going to make!
Good point.
Now that we know the motto "Technik. Spielerereien. Frustation." (or sumpin' like that) we have to wait how they live that motto.
Voice control might come, but cannot be all. IMHO they need something affordable that appeals to many people. Voice control that works only with CS2 plus Apple gadget and/or PC would keep many outside.
I'd rather expect something on the entry level. They had Alpha, they had Circus Mondolino - maybe we'll see something that goes with the battery powered trains?
Stefan Löbich said a "Spielewelt" (Play World) would come. That would suit.
What will it be? More trains (Shinkansen?)? Houses? Cars? Slightly oversized "Preiserlings"?
New turnout decoders with MM and DCC, new signals with MM and DCC (maybe even mfx?). New semaphores?
Will we see the delivery of green double stock coaches with a length of 303 mm in 2013? Who knows ...
Will there be a slim double slip switch and a new turntables (both have been rumoured)? No big surprises, but would be nice to see a new developments (I hope 24360 was just the first of a few new track pieces, not the last of all C track pieces).
A successor of K track?
Well, any new product they announce will find many saying "I won't buy that". That's life. With 100 pages of new items there should be something for anybody.
A new beer car is all I can afford
- did they pick a "must-have" brand?
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Stefan Löbich said a "Spielewelt" (Play World) would come. That would suit.
?
...so....why not the worldwide community of
Markliners
...something based upon the WEB....?
That would be funny too !
The third word could be : WORLD ?
"Technology-Playing-World " , how does it sound in English ?
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A new beer car is all I can afford
- did they pick a "must-have" brand?
You have a choice of three. Here's the first:
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You have a choice of three. Here's the first:
Thass not my beer.
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Howard, that's quite a leap you've made to equate Marklin's plans with Hornby's E-Link! You might be right, but on the available evidence you could also be way off the right track.
If there's anything in this rumour of voice control it's likely to involve a PC control package like Hornby's Railmaster, rather than the E-Link hardware. On the other hand, maybe they are planning a cheap interface unit so you don't need a Central control at all, and this would be more like the E-Link.
I think it's fun to speculate on what the new "surprise" might be, but I think we should reserve our judgements until we have something concrete to go on. I wouldn't like to criticise Marklin based on what I think they are going to make!
I 'leap' with that speculation because it has all the 'wizz-bang' features that the posts above speak of.
PC interface, complete layout control, Voice control, Smart phone compliant, with features list as long as your arm.
(And all the inherent problems with legacy interface, buggy operational software problems, 'future' features that turn into Vaporware, endless software upgrades and inherent language/novices incomprehension
that will keep train forums busy for years)
Personally, I hope my guess is 180 degrees off , there's nothing about a M* version of the railmaster/ E-link product Id buy.
I have my personal short-list of a " Technik. Spielen. Erfahren " 'release' I'd like to see, but it won't be that those either.
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