Me too.
We have had 4 of them since the 1980's.
Only ever seen one photo of the real thing and it was a singleton mixed in with other coaches.

A recent thread on train consists had a link to an outside net forum on that subject. One of the trains it mentionied was one from Scandinavia to Italy. It had pictures of a train running that route through Germany. That train had CIWL coaches and DSG coaches in the same train. (Not that I could see from the pictures, but the members seemed quite knowlegable)

This is good news for me, as I think the red DSG cars and the blue CIWL look good together, and my only dining cars are DSG.

As a child living in Paris in the late 1950's, I remember people took the "night train" from Paris to London. I think it used the blue CIWL U class. I always understood they were put on a specially equipped cross chanel steamer between Calais and Dover.

Hi friends,
just to add to the thread
this sleeping coach is a CIWL "U" type.
so hereafter, the real 4029 vs. the real 4581!!:
Regards
Joël

Thanks for showing the pictures.

Thank you Joel!
Joe

Pictures 1 and 2 show the CIWL sleeping coach being pushed onboard (or pulled off) the Swedish train ferry Malmöhus, which served on a line between Malmö in Sweden and Copenhagen in Denmark from October 1945 to September 28th, 1974 with passenger trains and from then only with freight trains until the line was closed on September 30th, 1986. More photos of the ferry here. You can click the thumbnails to get to larger photos of the ferry. Sorry about this Internet page being in Swedish only, but perhaps the pictures could be of interest.

The Swedish coach in my mind is a WL3K photos here. Sorry about this Internet page being in Swedish only, but perhaps the pictures could be of interest. Note that the sleeping coach not having rounded roof ends is a former WL7 which had modified interior and therefore was called WL3. Coaches having a "K" were equipped with Danish train heating e.g. WL3K. On one of the photos there is a WL3T and the T stands for vacuum toilet system with a tank.

Märklin's 4072 is B1 and some photos in various liveries can be seen here.

Photos 1 and 2 were shot in Copenhagen.

Photo 3 and 5 are from København H - Copehagen's Main station.

Photo 6 is from Stockholm C - Stockholm's Central station - and my guess is that the train is on track 11.

Thank you Joel for the wonderful pictures. They prompt me to confess a childhood secret.

One of the first coaches I was given was the CIWL Marklin 4029. I thought it beautiful. The blue and silver, with the CIWL crest looked like luxury on wheels. As I was slowly given more locomotives and coaches my imagination created international trains.

I used to start, in my mind, in Stockholm. I would use my Swedish DA (MArklin 3030) and its two coaches, 4030 and 4031. The blue CIWL struck a jarring note with regard to the colours, brown and blue, but the passengerns needed to get to Rome.

In my mind they would get to Germany, I don't know just where. There, the CIWL would be uncoupled from the Swedish coaches, and join a German train. It would be pulled by my 01, (Marklin 3048), if speed were the most important factor. It was my fastest locomotive. Otherwise my V 200, (MArklin 3021), or my weakest, and slowest "express" locomotive, my E 41, (MArklin 3034). Ths CIWL would be mixed in with DB blue express coaches, , (Marklin 4027, and 4032) a baggage car, (4026, and the DSG restaurant car, (4024 possibly, but with a pantograph). I liked the E 41, because it was blue, and the colours matched.

Through Germany (Via Koeln, naturally) then came Switzerland, and Basel (of course). There my Re 4/4 I, (MArklin 3014) took over. It might have been even faster then my BR 01. The DB coaches were dropped in Basel, and my Swiss coaches joined up. They were the Marklin 4015, with doors that would open, and the red dining car, 4035. This would speed on to the Italian border.

In Italy my E 424, (MArklin 3035 would take over. The Swiss coaches were dropped, and two 4036 Italian passenger coaches would join. Sometimes I would take pity on the passengers and leave the Swiss dining car coupled to it. Then it was on to Rome.

You may imagine when, early in its run on my basement floor, I was told it was not "prototypical", "wrong" even. That was when it became my childhood secret. It continued to run, but no one got to see it. I had doubts about my critics. I remember being in Basel station in 1960, and seeing the Italian, Swiss, and CIWL coaches. I knew they had to get there somwehow, and go onwards.

This thread has vindicated me. Now If only I knew where those friends of old are now. I would love to gloat!

Thank you for these pictures. They are superb!

Thank you for the details. Obviously my parents were very neglectful. They should have given me the required DSB material. A Nohab, and some lovely red coaches. Happily at age 10 I made up my own routing and saved my parents the cost.

This has been a fascinating thread.

...and you were right to let your imagination go, and make this trip up!

And those who told you "you are wrong"...were simply ignorants of the worse type: "I haven't seen it , so it doesn't exist"
The Scandinavia Switzerland Express started in 1949, on the Stockhom-Frankfurt Luzern and Zurich route, via Köln and Basel
In 1951 it was extended to Rome, via Gotthard and Milano
For the longest time and up to the end of the Sleeping Cars operation by CIWL in the 1980's, there was at least always one or two CIWL "Kurswagen" on the same route....and probably mixed along its route with other equipement *exactly* the way you had imagined.
Let it be no secret no more: you were right!
Cheers

Well thank you Jacques, Dreadnought,Western Pacific, Joe, Stephen,and all

for feeding this thread with such nice informations.
That's so fascinating to know these coaches were travelling everywhere.
I suspected this a little when I discovered that "SOVEVOGN" meant "sleeping car" in Danish !

I've also now the reasons to justify purchases of Swiss, Italian, Danish,.. locos
for pulling my 4029 consist.

Best Regards
Joël

You're absolutely right Jacques !
Regards
Joël

CIWL sleeping cars could be found in many long distance trains from northern to southern Europe, whether it be Germany, Holland or Scandinavia to Italy, France or Spain. These coaches could also be found on trains from east to west, e.g. Amsterdam, Paris or Brussels to Vienna.

There is a forum dedicated to night trains with a lot of CIWL information: http://www.wagonslits.de/phpbb2/index.php

This site also has a lot of information on consists: http://www.heinrich-hank...ahn/zugbildung/index.htm

A night train from Scandinavia to the south would be as follows:
http://www.heinrich-hank...ildung/1956_db_00212.htm

The train would depart from Copenhagen with a mix of international coaches. If there was a stop at the last Danish station, it might also include domestic coaches or Danish coaches travelling to points along the way. At the first German station, German coaches would be added, some which would go all the way south, others which might only go as far as Basel or other intermediate points. The same would happen in Basel, as SBB or BLS coaches, depending on which route the train was taking to Italy would be added to the train. At the Italian border, Italian coaches might be added to the consist for the final segment.

It was also normal that night trains would have sleeping coaches going to assorted destinations. For example, the train from Scandinavia might have a section that was separated from the main train in Frankfurt and would go on to Paris or Munich or even all the way to Port Bou (Spain). Often times, the schedule of these trains meant that the Scandinavian train would meet the Amsterdam one and they would exchange coaches.

I don't have the 4029, I have the later 4130 and Primex 4110. I run them with the DB 4111, 4112 and baggage and additional FS coaches from the 00766 and 00796 set with my SBB 4068 diner and a single 4066 at the end.

Regards

Mike C

And more photos:

https://www.marklin-user...ry-Tales.aspx#post458625

https://www.marklin-user...ry-Tales.aspx#post449853