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H0		#301 Posted : 11 September 2008 01:03:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,338 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero was the sound of the MWB loco updated? The complete decoder for this loco was updated. My MWB loco arrived today. They write that they replaced the decoder - with a new decoder, but with the old, incorrect sound. Haven't tested her yet, but M* write that loco now complies with the new "quality standart" (sic!).
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H0		#302 Posted : 15 September 2008 22:25:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,338 Location: DE-NW		News from Märklin: E 18 (39680) and 144 (39440) can be updated now. I bet that 39681 can also be updated now. No date yet for 151 (39582).
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dbmike		#303 Posted : 16 September 2008 04:45:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 468 Location: Kokomo, IN		Does a 39195 E lok have the compact C sine or the older early style C sine motor in it? Thanks Mike
		Due to budget shortfall, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off....mgmt.
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dbmike		#304 Posted : 16 September 2008 04:53:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 468 Location: Kokomo, IN		Never mind, answered my own question, was released in 03, so it should be the larger C sine motor. My layout is so small I would probably never notice the issues on one of the affected loks
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H0		#305 Posted : 16 September 2008 12:26:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,338 Location: DE-NW		Mike, the problem is not the compact c-sine motor, the problem is the driver board between mfx decoder and c-sine motor. There are at least three models with classic c-sine motor and mfx (V 200, BR 151, BR 103). Re: 39195: no mfx, no problem ...
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pa-pauls		#306 Posted : 18 September 2008 13:28:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Thank's for information Lutz
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john black		#307 Posted : 18 September 2008 14:19:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />as of Mid September 2008, the following models can be upgraded: 37900 BR 290 37901 BR 290 39010 BR 01 39015 BR 01 39080 VT08.5 39120 E10.3 39420 Re 4/4 I 39440 BR 144 39680 E18 39681 E18 39800 V200 39801 Am 4/4 39802 BR 220 39834 Taurus MWB 39835 Taurus Porsche 39980 BR 798 39985 BR 798 26610 Henschel-Wegmann-Zug 39619 BR 61 An upgrade decision for the following models, also mentioned by you, is still pending: 39572 BR 103.1 (*) 39582 BR 151 39820 V270 PEG This information matches what other "competent" people have been told stated too. (*) There are some other (minor) issues, not related to the C-sine driver pcb. Long loco list to work off. Why couldn't they have done it right from the start. None of my classic BIG C-SINUS engines ever had to leave the layout [^] If they were clever they'd return to stuff that works ...
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pa-pauls		#308 Posted : 18 September 2008 15:03:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Hello I have just phoned with Märklin repair senter and they insured me now that my model 39619 Br.61 and 39680 E 18 will now be upgraded and send to me in the next few days
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perz		#309 Posted : 19 September 2008 01:35:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> ... An upgrade decision for the following models, also mentioned by you, is still pending: 39572 BR 103.1 (*) 39582 BR 151 39820 V270 PEG This information matches what other "competent" people have been told stated too. (*) There are some other (minor) issues, not related to the C-sine driver pcb. I have got the information from Märklin that 39820 V270 PEG can be upgraded. I have sent mine to them. They have acknowledged that they have received it and will upgrade it.
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john black		#310 Posted : 19 September 2008 17:46:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black Why couldn't they have done it right from the start nothing else is of interest here Hogwash. What do <u>you</u> know about my interest ... And what do <u>you</u> know about Al's intent ... (FYI - <u>Al</u> is the gentlemen who created this topic)
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David Dewar		#311 Posted : 19 September 2008 18:57:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,383 Location: Scotland		Marklin makes sure their stuff works as expected. !!! In my case this is true but just look through the postings to see this is not I am afraid the case for others. What I would say is there is an improvement which hopefully will continue. David
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john black		#312 Posted : 19 September 2008 20:12:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		True also for me, David. But only cos I do avoid certain products [}:)] Learned this from Alberto who created this helpful topic ...
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pa-pauls		#313 Posted : 19 September 2008 21:14:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich Great Pål! So everything seems to work out fine (we'll talk about that soon anyways) . I do hope so Lutz, I do hope so
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perz		#314 Posted : 20 September 2008 00:42:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by perz They have acknowledged that they have received it and will upgrade it. Good to hear, Per! The information that I got yesterday was that the release ("Freigabe") for the upgrade of these three models is expected, but currently still pending - so it may take a while until you get your model back. Did they acknowledge by e-mail (just thinking: what could you have done different than Mr. Williams)? Yes, they acknowledged by email. They didn't give a time estimate, just "snellstmöglich". Which could mean it takes long time if it is not possible to do it faster.
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perz		#315 Posted : 20 September 2008 00:54:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />Why couldn't they have done it right from the start. It is a relavant question, if you take it as a real question and not just a rethorical one. But that discussion would probably be better to take in a separate thread. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: If they were clever they'd return to stuff that works ... That's what they are trying to do, obviously.
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David Dewar		#316 Posted : 20 September 2008 01:01:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,383 Location: Scotland		I see this topic has been going now since January. When matched with the CS upgrades we spend more time on getting out models fixed than playing with them. Good thing though is it made Macca a very honourable customer. I am beginning to think that I am the only one who has not had anything upgraded (avoided the poor motor). not Had my MS replaced. Not had my CS upgraded or should I say lost or in fact had anything sent back to M with a complaint. In all the previous years I had one faulty Loco which Lokshop dealt with within 10 days to my full satisfaction. Never mind guys to all who are waiting on the return of their models have faith and keep an eye open for the canoe. David
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pa-pauls		#317 Posted : 20 September 2008 13:44:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Nice to hear that you also are a happy Märklin customer David And as me also a happy Mercedes owner I do believe
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nevw		#318 Posted : 20 September 2008 13:52:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		I see that the Hun has another attack at me.
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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nevw		#319 Posted : 20 September 2008 13:55:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by perz They have acknowledged that they have received it and will upgrade it. G (just thinking: what could you have done different than Mr. Williams)? I see that the HUN has another unwarranted attack at me . About time that he got expelled from this forum as in other forums that he has been kicked out in the past Just because he has good tech knowledge is no excuse to keep him on hte forum. PS: I have had some additional vallium but the HUN is starting WW 111 as they did in WW11. PS:: I am referring to only ONE German Member PS; to other members from Germany I only refer to LutZ as the HUN or maybe KRAUT or maybe that Austrian Painter who was a Corporal in WW1 who was widely know under another name Smileys do not exonerate you Aunt Lu
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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alonso231gery		#320 Posted : 20 September 2008 14:59:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Nev some "conflicts" from time to time make this website more vivid and amusing. I do enjoy reading them, should i visit a doctor? [}:)]
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nevw		#321 Posted : 20 September 2008 15:02:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />Nev some "conflicts" from time to time make this website more vivid and amusing. I do enjoy reading them, should i visit a doctor? [}:)] No not at all. I am crying tears of Laughter. Still laughing. Thanks, Nev
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Bigdaddynz		#322 Posted : 20 September 2008 16:00:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,723 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />Nev some "conflicts" from time to time make this website more vivid and amusing. I do enjoy reading them, should i visit a doctor? [}:)] ROFL Nikos!
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pa-pauls		#323 Posted : 20 September 2008 16:06:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />Nev some "conflicts" from time to time make this website more vivid and amusing. I do enjoy reading them, should i visit a doctor? [}:)] Hello Nikos, nice to see you You should go see Dr.Phil
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Macfire		#324 Posted : 20 September 2008 16:32:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />Nev some "conflicts" from time to time make this website more vivid and amusing. I do enjoy reading them, should i visit a doctor? [}:)] Yeah - it is neat eh? I enjoy it. Freedom of Speech vs Autocratism BTW: Nev, while you are being picked on, the rest of us are being left alone Thank you from the heart of my bottom
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alonso231gery		#325 Posted : 20 September 2008 20:48:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Hello all. Sometimes i even ignore other very interesting topics so as to read such conversations first. I have been a member of this forum for the last 6 years and such topics have been most amusing. Thank you. [}:)]
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David Dewar		#326 Posted : 21 September 2008 00:50:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,383 Location: Scotland		Hi Nikos. Good to hear from you again. Drop into the cave anytime ... much better than a visit to the Doctors. Nev. Isnt it nice to be called Mr Williams and being shown the respect you deserve. I expect the next mail from M will have you as an honourable customer same as Macca. Do you think if I sent them an email I could be honourable as well. Never mind ww111 we would only win again and it gets boring lol. ........................................................ On a serious note can I confirm that I value my friendship with all the German members here and anything I may say in jest is only aimed at one member and no offence is meant in any way. David
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H0		#327 Posted : 21 September 2008 01:21:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,338 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />Do you think if I sent them an email I could be honourable as well. The auto responder will only call you "Dear Märklin-Customer". You have to send locos to be called "honourable" ... The friendliness of the manual response depends on the contents of your emails. You should avoid the terms "hun", "kraut", "plonker" and other nicknames used on this forum ... [xx(] Don't tell 'em either wot you really think about the compact c-sine motor and the forthcoming price increase. [V]
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nevw		#328 Posted : 21 September 2008 02:38:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />Nev some "conflicts" from time to time make this website more vivid and amusing. I do enjoy reading them, should i visit a doctor? [}:)] Yeah - it is neat eh? I enjoy it. Freedom of Speech vs Autocratism BTW: Nev, while you are being picked on, the rest of us are being left alone Thank you from the heart of my bottom MAcca, you are booked in for a Pre Marriage Medical. The Dr will call soon and give you a Colonoscopy. Enjoy it. [:p][:p][:p][:p][:p][:p][:p][:p][:p][:p][:p][:p]
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nevw		#329 Posted : 21 September 2008 02:40:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero The auto responder will only call you "Dear Märklin-Customer". You have to send locos to be called "honourable" ... Maybe you should mention that this only applies if you send in Märklin products. Lutz, you mean to say we cannot send HAG or Brawa Locos to Maerklin for warranty repair I suppose we will have to send them to HAG and to BRAWA [:(]
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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H0		#330 Posted : 21 September 2008 02:44:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,338 Location: DE-NW		Good point, Lutz. But you can try Primex, too, if you have a proof of purchase not older than two years. So for the international audience: don't send non-Märklin locos to Märklin, don't poor hot coffee on your legs (or other parts of any body/anybody), don't dry cats in microwave ovens, don't change horses in midstreams, don't throw stones in glass houses, don't ... Maybe I should add a disclaimer to my signature! Those who don't have M* products can still try the auto-responder (if they don't mind being called "Dear Märklin-Customer).
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Macfire		#331 Posted : 21 September 2008 12:05:57(UTC) Retweet
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Guus		#332 Posted : 21 September 2008 16:48:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Lutz; as of Mid September 2008, the following models can be upgraded: 37900 BR 290 37901 BR 290 39010 BR 01 39015 BR 01 39080 VT08.5 39120 E10.3 39420 Re 4/4 I 39440 BR 144 39680 E18 39681 E18 39800 V200 39801 Am 4/4 39802 BR 220 39834 Taurus MWB 39835 Taurus Porsche 39980 BR 798 39985 BR 798 26610 Henschel-Wegmann-Zug 39619 BR 61 An upgrade decision for the following models, also mentioned by you, is still pending: 39572 BR 103.1 (*) 39582 BR 151 39820 V270 PEG This information matches what other "competent" people have been told stated too. (*) There are some other (minor) issues, not related to the C-sine driver pcb. Thanks for the information Lutz. All three of my first generation small c-sine locomotives are on the list. My Henschell-Wegmann is probably the one that would benefit the most from an upgrade. I hesitate a bit at the thought of having to put my locos in the "careful" hands of the postal services though. Kind regards Guus
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David Dewar		#333 Posted : 21 September 2008 17:34:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,383 Location: Scotland		Hi Tom I only use Plonker which being an English term I reckon is OK. I dont think I will ever be honourable as all my locos work fine so dont need to go back to M. Now I know that I cant send HAG to Marklin for repair I thought I might be in trouble but then again they are like my Marklin Locos they keep going fine as well. As for Brawa I expect this fine and wonderful firm would send somebody to my home with a brand new model should anything ever go wrong (winkie smiley should be here lol) Having read the last bit again I wonder just how many will take it seriously and if anybody could actually take a joke against themselves and have a laugh ... what a difference it would make to our forum if they could. David ( I know I am a Plonker as well)
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Macfire		#334 Posted : 21 September 2008 17:40:45(UTC) Retweet
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David Dewar		#335 Posted : 21 September 2008 17:43:46(UTC) Retweet
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mjrallare		#336 Posted : 22 September 2008 11:28:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 563		Thanks for the info Lutz. I'm glad to see that my HWZ hopefully will return to me shortly. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich This thread deals with the execution details of the C-Sine compact upgrade by Märklin for specific given models. THAT's the topic what affected forum members are interested in and expect to read about here. [:X] I'm always amazed at how well you know what others interests and expectations are Lutz. And still, your interests and expectations hardly ever corresponds to mine. Quite sad actually, with people who uses themselves as benchmarks, and considers all deviations from their own thoughts to be deplorable and negative. /Torbjörn
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Guus		#337 Posted : 22 September 2008 13:10:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		How to recognise the new/modified driver electronics? -Driver electronics of a Märklin Re 4/4I 39421 with the latest generation SDS- Is it correct if I say that the text -"csin3..."- on the sticker of the chip is an indication that the locomotive has the latest driver installed? In other words will all modified locos have a similar chip installed as well? Thanks in advance for your answers. Kind regards Guus P.S.: I know that you posted a reply with a similar content some time ago Lutz,but the pictures of your locos lead me to believe the telltale is the partnumber of the complete circuitboard i.s.o. the number of the chip. I hope my question will add to a clear understanding of the differences to look for. Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 13:36:04(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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David Dewar		#338 Posted : 23 September 2008 14:31:02(UTC) Retweet
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Guus		#339 Posted : 23 September 2008 18:08:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Quote: quote:Originally posted by Guus <br />How to recognise the new/modified driver electronics? ................................................................................................... Is it correct if I say that the text -"csin3..."- on the sticker of the chip is an indication that the locomotive has the latest driver installed? ................................................................................... I know that you posted a reply with a similar content some time ago Lutz,but the pictures of your locos lead me to believe the telltale is the partnumber of the complete circuitboard i.s.o. the number of the chip. I hope my question will add to a clear understanding of the differences to look for. [size=2]By raising this question I was hoping we could return to the original subject of this topic.[:I] Kind regards Guus
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pa-pauls		#340 Posted : 23 September 2008 18:47:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Just got my E 18 (39680) back from Märklin and it runs perfect ! Guus : on this model I also have the "csin3..." sticker on the pcb chip
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Guus		#341 Posted : 23 September 2008 18:58:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Pål: <br />Just got my E 18 (39680) back from Märklin and it runs perfect ! Guus : on this model I also have the "csin3..." sticker on the pcb chip Hi Pål, First of all congratulations. Good to hear the modification has been performed to your satisfaction! Thanks for the info on the csin3... designation on the chip. Kind regards Guus
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perz		#342 Posted : 23 September 2008 23:37:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		I got two of the three looks I sent in back today. The 39820 is still at Märklin. This fits well with Lutz' information that the upgrade for 39820 isn't available yet. About the two other, 37900 and 39980: - Both are cured from the voltage dependency. - The 37900 is cured from its starting problem. - The 37900 is cured from all forms of "Alzheimer", I mean really cured. - The speed curve non-linearity of the 37900 is even worse than before. It is the only bad thing with this upgrade, but I can live with it. - The 39980 runs smoother on (MS) speed step 1 than before. - The 39980 speed curve hasn't changed. - The 39980 is not really cured from "Alzheimer", only the CV73=3 fix is applied. The big surprise is the really real fix of the Alzheimer problem in the 37900. I did not complain about the Alzheimer problem when I sent the loks in, so I didn't expect any real change there.
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steventrain		#343 Posted : 24 September 2008 01:00:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,661 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pa-pauls <br />Just got my E 18 (39680) back from Märklin and it runs perfect ! Nice to hear that.
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perz		#344 Posted : 24 September 2008 02:27:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Some detail that may be interesting for some of you: My 39980 has got a new mfx ID after the upgrade. Previous ID was 0xfff9d740. New mfx ID is 0xfff400a0. I did not record the ID of my 37900 before the upgrade, but the new ID is 0xffe9ffce. I have got the impression that they started at 0xffffffff and are counting downwards. This would indicate that the 37900 has got a much newer decoder than the 39980. My 39180 is my newest lok and it has ID 0xffede4b2. The new decoder in the 37900 is (if my theory about the numbering is correct) newer than that, but the new decoder in the 39980 isn't. This has good correlation with the fact that the Alzheimer problem is really fixed in the 37900, it is marginally fixed in the 39180 and it is not fixed just worked around in the 39980. Development goes in the right direction it seems.
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estacioncocule		#345 Posted : 24 September 2008 07:39:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 52 Location: Santiago,		Hello: I can not understand why the 39820 diesel locomotive must be upgraded since it is not a Compact C Sine Model. I have one and it runs with no problems. I have only one Compact C Sine Model, 39010, that started to fail. It was send to Germany, upgraded and actually it works finely. Thanks in advance to any member of the forum who can answer this question. Julio
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Guus		#346 Posted : 24 September 2008 12:20:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by perz <br />I got two of the three looks I sent in back today. The 39820 is still at Märklin. This fits well with Lutz' information that the upgrade for 39820 isn't available yet. About the two other, 37900 and 39980: - Both are cured from the voltage dependency. - The 37900 is cured from its starting problem. - The 37900 is cured from all forms of "Alzheimer", I mean really cured. - The speed curve non-linearity of the 37900 is even worse than before. It is the only bad thing with this upgrade, but I can live with it. - The 39980 runs smoother on (MS) speed step 1 than before. - The 39980 speed curve hasn't changed. - The 39980 is not really cured from "Alzheimer", only the CV73=3 fix is applied. The big surprise is the really real fix of the Alzheimer problem in the 37900. I did not complain about the Alzheimer problem when I sent the loks in, so I didn't expect any real change there. Thanks for your extensive report Per. Kind regards Guus
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Guus		#347 Posted : 24 September 2008 12:26:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by estacioncocule <br />Hello: I can not understand why the 39820 diesel locomotive must be upgraded since it is not a Compact C Sine Model. I have one and it runs with no problems. I have only one Compact C Sine Model, 39010, that started to fail. It was send to Germany, upgraded and actually it works finely. Thanks in advance to any member of the forum who can answer this question. Julio Hi Julio, From what I seem to understand ,there are even some of the original big C-sine models affected. Some- I emphasise not all- may be sensitive to voltage drops as well ,depending on which driver electronics are installed. Kind regards Guus
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H0		#348 Posted : 24 September 2008 13:48:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,338 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by estacioncocule <br />I can not understand why the 39820 diesel locomotive must be upgraded since it is not a Compact C Sine Model. The problem is not the Compact C Sine motor, the problem is the driver PCB between mfx decoder and motor. They don't replace the Compact C Sine motor, they replace the driver PCB (sometimes the decoder, too). That's why mfx locos with the "big" C Sine motor also suffer from the voltage dependency of this driver PCB.
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Guus		#349 Posted : 24 September 2008 15:58:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Tom: <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by estacioncocule <br />I can not understand why the 39820 diesel locomotive must be upgraded since it is not a Compact C Sine Model. The problem is not the Compact C Sine motor, the problem is the driver PCB between mfx decoder and motor. They don't replace the Compact C Sine motor, they replace the driver PCB (sometimes the decoder, too). That's why mfx locos with the "big" C Sine motor also suffer from the voltage dependency of this driver PCB. Thanks Tom, What I also seem to understand is that there are differences in between models of the same product number. In other words one 39820 may not be affected while the other 39820 may have a problem. It all depends on which driver circuit is installed ,which in turn may have to do with the date on which the loco was made. Kind regards Guus
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H0		#350 Posted : 24 September 2008 16:50:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,338 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus <br />What I also seem to understand is that there are differences in between models of the same product number. AFAIK this does not apply to affected "one time series" models (and I think the three "big" ones in question are one time series). This applies to regular models like E 10.3 (39120) and 01 (39010) that are still in production - the new ones run fine.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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