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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero
<br />Is that bickering?
I'm not fully satisfied with the reliability of mfx decoders, but so far no M* motor failed at my place. No - it is my personal opinion re M's massive downgrade in quality [xx(][xx(][xx(] Thus I'm satisfied not at all with overall reliability, anymore ... [:(] Their products became most expensive, now - and I want good quality for my good money  |
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Take it easy John. It's not worth making yourself ill over this!
Remember, Lutz will defend everything from Marklin, so you're never going to convince him. (I think he must get a commission from M*)
Just vote with your wallet. It's the best way!
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Hi Ray , no no - it's never been my intent to convince Mr Hemmerich - it's useless  The only cause I'm posting this is there's still hope they might change their product policy for good when missing our good money - thus you're right with "voting by wallet" [:p] On the other hand they must be told what's wrong. For avoiding further mistakes ...  |
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As you know, I mostly spend my money on good older Marklin.
Having said that I did splash out on one SDS loco, the Br218, and I'm not unhappy with the performance. The sound is very distracting, though, and I usually run it with the sound off.
I also have three of the new Hobby models, a Br185, a SBB Re482 and an OBB 2016. They are amazingly good value, though the reliability is an unknown quantity. Good metal bodies, though!
Sorry to keep heading more and more off-topic!
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas
<br />As you know, I mostly spend my money on good older Marklin. Thanks for the reminder, Ray - so will I do [:p][^] Let's meet at Juhan's Collectors Corner ... |
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
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CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
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Quite right Ray go for quality. Older HAG stuff can also be excellent if you can find it.
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Well, I just heard from Jeff Stimson at Marklin USA. I am to send the VT08 to the Marklin repair facility at Walther's in Milwaukee. At least it doesn't have to cross the pond again. Looking forward to getting it back in service. It is really a great model and with the SDS upgrade it was running smooth and powerful. My 39980 Schienenbus is still going strong after it's upgrade! |
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Quo Vadis, Märklin?
Ron, I sent a query to Walther/Märklin service just last week re: the VT08.5 and compact c-sines in general. The response:
"There is not an upgrade program that has been announced, and there won’t be. The repairs of c-sine locomotives are handled on an individual basis. So far, I have received only two that were defective."
Guess I'll try Jeff [}:)]
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Hal: The upgrade has already been done, but in Germany. When I got it back the decoder fried. That is what it is going to Milwaukee for.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr
<br />Hal: The upgrade has already been done, but in Germany. When I got it back the decoder fried. That is what it is going to Milwaukee for.
Clarification appreciated, Ron. I haven't experienced any problems with my VT08 - in fact it has run very well since arrival - and I have run it a lot (a favorite). But, I have not run it under the kind of conditions that seem to make the problem(s) evident. My plan is to double the size of my layout this winter - we'll see what happens  |
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Hal. Interesting wording on the reply you got, by the way:
"There is not an upgrade program that has been announced..." (emphasis added). This is being done very low key.
Actually I was happy with the way it ran before, except for some minor speed variations. I figured for the cost of postage it could get better so I went ahead with it. When I got it back it ran great...smooth and powerful... at least until it died. [:(] |
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Hal - So you, like me, have not had problems and not sent anything back? I'm not sure I should be concerned but I hate to miss the window if something goes wrong in the future.
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Hi Lutz If the parts for the HWZ is coming early next month maybe this parts also is used in my Br 61 (39619) model |
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Hello!
I received an email from M* today.
The following locos cannot yet be upgraded:
39440 BR 144
39582 BR 151
39680 BR E 18
And they cannot say when they will be upgraded.
The BR 151 has the big c-sine. I presume this also applies to other mfx locos with big c-sine (BR 103, BR V 200).
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Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire
<br />Sent my 39010 off to M* repair facility on the 22nd.
If they are as quick as their email replies to me I should have it back BDQ
Got this reply from MArklin last night. I can understand the bascis of it I think but just to be sure - Can someone translate it for me PLEASE ????? Sehr geehrter Märklin-Kunde,
vielen Dank für Ihren Serviceauftrag und das damit in uns gesetzte Vertrauen. Das/Die von Ihnen eingesandte/n Produkt/e wird/werden schnellstmöglich von uns wieder instand gesetzt.
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Macca, basically, they are going to fix it!
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Macca, basically, they are going to fix it!
Ta Dave. That is what I read as well. That upgraded brain of yours is fantastic. So many German words condensed into just 5 in English. You da Brain |
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"Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to take you to the bridge. Call that job satisfaction, 'cause I don't."
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Kind regards,
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
An old Dutchman trying hard to get along in English spoken cyberspace,
Guus
I can assure you that this younger Dutchman doesn't grasp the meaning of the last posts either... |
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To understand the above you have to be familiar with "The Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy", by the late Douglas Adams.
It seems there's a few Douglas Adams fans here!
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Sorry guys! The quote is from Marvin, the depressed android who features in the BBC series "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy." He has this huge amount of brain power, for which there never seems to be a task given to him that equals it! - http://en.wikipedia.org/...vin_the_Paranoid_AndroidAnd Macca's reference to me having a brain upgrade comes as a result of some posts in another thread suggesting I lost my brain.....
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Thank you Sander,Ray and David, Now I understand. For a brief moment I thought I needed to have my brain examined,or what's left of it [:o)] Kind regards Guus |
Kind regards,
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Your brain is just fine, Guus!!
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />"Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to take you to the bridge. Call that job satisfaction, 'cause I don't."
Ahhhhh The Triology - in four parts Oh ya Marvin Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas
<br />42?
Is there any other number BTW Guus: That is where the term "Bable Fish" (for translation) originated from. It is a brilliant series and a remarkable "piss take" on human affairs.. Check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babel_fish |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Macca, basically, they are going to fix it! Macca - they also wrote "As fast as possible!" ... [^] |
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire
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Sehr geehrter Märklin-Kunde,
vielen Dank für Ihren Serviceauftrag und das damit in uns gesetzte Vertrauen. Das/Die von Ihnen eingesandte/n Produkt/e wird/werden schnellstmöglich von uns wieder instand gesetzt.
Wir bearbeiten für Sie:
This is my attempt to translate, as close to the original as possible: Very honoured Märklin customer, many thanks for your service order, and the thereby shown confidence in us. The product/products sent in from you will as fast as possible be repaired by us. We work on it for you:
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Macfire<br />The Triology - in four parts Oh ya Marvin From Wikipedia: "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy[2] (1979, ISBN 0-330-25864-8) is the title of the first of five books in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy comedy science fiction "trilogy" by Douglas Adams." |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Well, Asimov's Foundation Trilogy wound up with seven books, and would have been more if Isaac hadn't left us.
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NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Nev not only that but they are not sure if they have one or more products. Ever get the feeling this is sent out to every customer ... honourable or not David |
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Hahahahahahahahahahaha.....
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Hi! Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by David Dewar<br />Ever get the feeling this is sent out to every customer ... honourable or not You guessed it: they send it to every customer. And "very honourable" is the empty phrase used in formal letters. I also received such a PDF file - and it was marked as "Entwurf" (draft). It's a new service from M*. Good to know your locos arrived. OK, bad if international audience don't understand what it means ... |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Hi Tom most firms send out the same mail to their customers as it would take too long to reply individually. It was the translation the made Macca Very Honourable that got us posting.
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David, I understood what you were joking about.
I just wanted to mention that formal German letters are old-fashioned; "Very honourable Mr. Soandso" simply means "Dear Sir" in contemporary English. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Hi Tom Im not sure I would even call Macca Dear Sir. More like ' how ya doin mate.'
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David, if you use that salutation your are talking to me not Macca. For Macca it is: "Hey Kiwi fella"  Oops, way off topic. [V][V] NN |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar
<br />Hi Tom Im not sure I would even call Macca Dear Sir. More like ' how ya doin mate.'
David
I'm not sure if I would call him honourable either.............however, he has just done 'the honourable thing' (proposed to Leah!)
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Hah ! Check the Sign off ..... |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Macfire<br /> Hah ! Check the Sign off ..... Remember also Politicians also have the Handle "The Honourable" which is a bit of an Oxymoron. [:p][:p][:p] |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar
<br />whasa oxymoron
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1. Figure of speech that combines two normally contradictory terms: a. Microsoft Works b. Military Intelligence or 2. Oxygen deprived person, usually a politician |
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Thanks Macca ... I think i know one.
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<br />Thanks Macca ... I think i know one.
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Prep H works just fine - don't it |
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Update on my VT08 saga. Got an e-mail from Ken at Walthers. He cannot repair it since he has no experience with the SDS upgrade that was installed in it, so he is sending it to Göppingen for repair. Oh well. |
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