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john black		#151 Posted : 20 May 2008 18:21:43(UTC) Retweet
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nevw		#152 Posted : 21 May 2008 02:33:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />However, they might have some reason why they don't want to do business with certain people Wow ... [:0][:I][xx(] Nev, your choice. Blunderbusses & balloons - or do ya prefer the wet rag [}:)] Sorry John. It will SABRES at 1 Metre.
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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nevw		#153 Posted : 21 May 2008 02:35:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [i]Funny! I'm only just any customer Now that sounds like an understatement .
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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rschaffr		#154 Posted : 21 May 2008 05:52:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Lutz: I don't know who you are talking to, but you seem to ignore the fact that almost everyone outside Germany can get no satisfaction on this issue unless they deal directly themselves with Reparatur Service in Gõppingen. Jeff told me outright that he could get no information out of the factory and he suggested that I contact Service directly. I have to admit that I got instructions back from Reparatur Service to send the models in within 12 hours of my inquiry. That is excellent service...I only hope the physical service is as quick. As to contact through dealers, the dealer in Germany I contacted about this is one that knows me well (I have spent over 5000 Euros there over the past few years), and is in fact the dealer I bought the models from, and they could not help. I would rather have had the service done without the models traveling the Atlantic, but so be it.
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Larry		#155 Posted : 21 May 2008 08:52:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Okay, Ron, so we'll just send our locos to you since you have the connection!
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nevw		#156 Posted : 21 May 2008 10:25:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry <br />Okay, Ron, so we'll just send our locos to you since you have the connection! NO No. Sent to Lutz. He has better connections. He is on First name terms with all the staff in the repair section.
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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David Dewar		#157 Posted : 21 May 2008 15:11:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,383 Location: Scotland		Soon need more people working in the repair section than making the stuff Larry If you are listening to this thread have you got your Br 05 back yet. Must be months by now. David
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H0		#158 Posted : 22 May 2008 00:44:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,338 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />PS: Congratulations for even writing "Gõppingen" correct! Yeah - viva España! [:o)] Gõppingen, Gôppingen, Göppingen - thanks for putting something on the o ...
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Macfire		#159 Posted : 22 May 2008 08:10:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Geez here we go again !!!!! I'll make this simple: I brought a Dell lap-top. I used the internet, chosen language English. Could have ordered in almost any language so user-friendly are they. I get updates and warnings about any issues as and when they occur and information on how to resolve these if necessary. If I chose not to receive these warnings personally, I can log onto their web site to receive the same information I will buy my pc from Dell as well. ____________________________________________________________________ Just like our cars, a quick check on the website will reveal any issues that need addressing. ____________________________________________________________________ I have had M* (with the tits above the a) - As a child (my ERA I) - With my children (my ERA II) And given their previous reputation - Now with my Partners children (my ERA III) I wonder. Why I cannot get the same service from M* via a (user-friendly) web site in English as well? Why? P**s poor management? Arrogance? Uncaring attitude towards the plebs who spend their money on M* products?
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nevw		#160 Posted : 22 May 2008 08:20:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Macca I humbly agree with you comments and Sentiments. PP Management and Arrogence. PS LUtz cracked a funny. Taken from his post above: PS: Congratulations for even writing "Gõppingen" correct!
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Macfire		#161 Posted : 22 May 2008 08:35:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />However, they might have some reason why they don't want to do business with certain people Wow ... [:0][:I][xx(] Nev, your choice. Blunderbusses & balloons - or do ya prefer the wet rag [}:)] Sorry John. It will SABRES at 1 Metre. Woo Hoo Bags I be the second [:p] [:p] [:p] Ahhhh blood sports - gotta love em [:p] [:p] Bring back the biff - oops sorry wrong forum should be in the 100 years of RL [}:)] [}:)]
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Macfire		#162 Posted : 22 May 2008 08:40:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [i]Funny! I'm only just any customer Now that sounds like an understatement . "However, they might have some reason why they don't want to do business with certain people" (sic) Thanks for the quote Lutz. I have <u>SO</u> missed this forum over the last week or so [:p][:p][:p]
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Macfire		#163 Posted : 22 May 2008 08:45:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire <br />I have the 39050 and 39010. 39050: What do I need to be aware of with this loco. Is there an issue that needs resolving??? 39010: I NOW know that there is an inherent problem that needs to be fixed. One might also say that those who are unaware about the inherent potential for future problems in their locos, will get them not fixed. Like others, my locos cannot get a decent run as yet so future-proofing means that I have address this situation now. I brought this loco from Europe. I do not expect nor would I offend my local dealer asking him to take ownership of my warranty claim. I will be at a MMR meet early next month so will be meeting up with our NZ M* agent. I will be interested to see what he knows about this issue. I would like to know that my locos are as good as can be. I paid a lot of money for these, I expect quality. Is anything less acceptable to anyone? Lutz: "And no - usually no car manufacturer or dealer will get back to you for an (even free) update/upgrade unless there is a serious safety issue." That’s pure Bulls**t. As mentioned in my previous, a quick check on the website will reveal any issues that need addressing. Well that’s how it is in NZ. But then we are simple people after all. Lutz: "Appears to be clearly a (potential local) dealer problem; maybe due to low developed understanding of proper customer service behavior ~" I have taken the liberty of correcting you statement for you: Appears to be clearly a (Marklin Head Office/management) problem; maybe due to low developed understanding of proper customer service behavior.
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nevw		#164 Posted : 22 May 2008 11:19:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote from LUTZ It is really amusing to see especially those "yelling and screaming" who don't even have any of the relevant models for this upgrade. LUTZ, If you are referring to me in that statement I resent that. I am not yelling and Screaming. YOU made a statement that in Germany that any dealer would handle a Warranty regardless of where the item was purchased as Long as you had a Warranty Certificate I was trying to point out that there is a different policy in other parts of the world outside of germany but you will not accept that. If trying to tell you that you are wrong is yelling and screaming you are sadly mistaken. N
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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David Dewar		#165 Posted : 22 May 2008 13:26:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,383 Location: Scotland		Macca Nev I see that the last bottle sent to you has been highly successful. You are now fully authorised Yellers and Screamers and as such you are able to deal with any comments on the forum for two years after they have been posted. With regard to waranties etc if they made the stuff properly in the first place then we would not have this thread. How can anybody stick a compact c sine in a loco and sell them without realising that they are poor runners ... at least now we have a decent motor which in my view should be fitted to all models now sold. As for German quality that is now long gone ( I have a German car which i enjoy but it is no better than Swedish or Japanese.. just costs more) Your promotion in the SSA is being considered. David
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Bigdaddynz		#166 Posted : 22 May 2008 13:51:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,723 Location: New Zealand		I have a 39120 and it runs OK on my layout, but then I don't have any additional sections under booster control, only one sector controlled by a CS. I don't get any slowdowns or erratic running when switching solenoids, etc. The only 'funny' I experience with this loco is that it sounds its horn sometimes when power is restored to the layout, apart from that no problems, under my current setup. Do the erratic running problems show up when running with a 6021 and 6017 boosters? If so I can test the loco on our club layout to see how it performs. Please Lutz, be nice to people. It surely can't be too hard for you to provide clear concise responses to questions, rather than the cryptic answers you seem to take pleasure in giving. Not all of us have as easy access to Märklin people / knowledge as you do, so we would appreciate it if you would keep your answers simple, concise and to the point. Cheers, Mate!! BTW, thanks for your pictures Lutz, some great models you have there!
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H0		#167 Posted : 22 May 2008 14:58:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,338 Location: DE-NW		Hello! Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Do the erratic running problems show up when running with a 6021 and 6017 boosters? If so I can test the loco on our club layout to see how it performs. I have two trains with interior lights (light bulbs). Switching the interior lights on and off while a loco is running at mid speed will show if the loco is voltage sensitive. If you use a speedometer, you can also test if the loco slows down when you turn on the front lights of several locos (preferably light bulbs). My Schienenbus slowed down when I turned lights and sound on - 'twas corrected in Göppingen and now speed is stable. So with a good speedometer you don't need much power consumption for the test. Testing with 6021 and 6017 will only work if one of them has heavy load while the other doesn't. Another test: look how the loco stops at a red signal with a brake module. Early CCS locos will slow down abruptly for a moment, then they return to their previous speed and slow down gently. With your 39120 it depends on when it was produced. I ordered mine in 2006, but it came 2007 after the 39121 - and they both run fine.
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Webmaster		#168 Posted : 22 May 2008 19:57:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Boys, there is too little C-sine and too much bickering in this topic!!![xx(]
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David Dewar		#169 Posted : 22 May 2008 21:54:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,383 Location: Scotland		No probs Juhan now we know if we behave ourselves all will be well.[:I] I only had one compact c sine and sold it within a month of purchase. Got a good price and bought a HAG. As i said however the new motor is excellent. David
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Macfire		#170 Posted : 23 May 2008 12:33:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Webby: Smacked bottie accepted. Lutz: I do use maerklin.com but the site is silent on this c sine issue. THAT annoys the hell out of me.
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nevw		#171 Posted : 23 May 2008 12:42:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		I also will consider my self smacked. N
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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nevw		#172 Posted : 23 May 2008 14:01:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire Why I cannot get the same service from M* via a (user-friendly) web site in English as well? You get it - but apparently you don't (want to?) make good use of it. Why? P**s own poor management? Arrogance? Uncaring attitude towards the brave Märklin folks who do alot for their customers? I'll make this simple: Why don't you just use the EXISTING Märklin website for your language at maerklin.com like most to all other customers in Märklin's main selling countries do? Dear Upstanding Stick in the MUD Lutz, I have used the www.MAERKLIN.com website, The USA Website in ENGLISH in certain parts End up in GERMAN. It is a Piece of Sh*t. The only information it gives on Dealers is the USA as it is a USA SITE. NOW ONCE AGAIN the M(") A (Thats 2 tits A) rklin site used to show all Marklin dealers around the world, Now thay do not. Simply arrogance. they do not care of their customers outside of Europe and speially GERMANY. Up ******. Now usually when yo feel like it you can give some good information, but your German attitude gets in the way a lot of times. Wake up and loosen up.
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Bigdaddynz		#173 Posted : 23 May 2008 14:15:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,723 Location: New Zealand		Thanks for the suggestion re the 39120 whistle icon, Lutz. I'll try that out. Thanks Thomas for your suggestions as well, I'll try those out too. Lutz, you may recall I asked you about converting the Trix TEE BR112 to 3 rail AC running. Well instead of buying the Trix loco, I managed to get the 29540 Tee Rheinpfeil set. I haven't used the loco from that set enough to know whether it has any issues, but I think it has the SDS motor. The 39120 is about 10 months old - brought from johnvandamme off ebay. Hopefully they are both new enough to already have the updated circuit boards. There are some advantages in not being an early adopter!
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xxxxdown		#174 Posted : 23 May 2008 14:17:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/01/2008(UTC) Posts: 22 Location: ,		I have not been here for some time. I have been away from computer caring for my mother. I see that lutsz still has a stick up his ass.
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David Dewar		#175 Posted : 23 May 2008 18:51:55(UTC) Retweet
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spitzenklasse		#176 Posted : 23 May 2008 19:15:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,573 Location: ,		Please be nice to Lutz. He is very knowlegable, and has much good advise to offer. Poeple who are experts on a subject tend to be zealous at times, even eccentric. Don't take it personal. Oh, maybe the laugh is on me, since Scott is laughing?
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H0		#177 Posted : 23 May 2008 22:40:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,338 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire <br />I do use maerklin.com but the site is silent on this c sine issue. THAT annoys the hell out of me. I don't remember seeing detailed information about this on maerklin.de either. This shows what the non-M* fora about M* are worth! It would be nice to have a list with the serial numbers of affected locos on the M* web site. But I presume they want to let sleeping dogs lie. The repair service has capacity problems - and things would be worse if more people knew about the replacements. Maybe we'll see some information when the first rush is over.
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rschaffr		#178 Posted : 23 May 2008 22:56:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		This whole issue is being handled very quietly. If you complain to the repair service in Göppingen about it, you get it fixed. If you are happy with the performance (or don't know to expect better performance) nothing is said about it. Originally, I heard about this last year from Jeff at a show...he said then that Marklin USA would be equipped and authorized to do this work here, but apparently the factory decided against that. Anyway, my models are in transit. I will report on the outcome of this when I know more. Added: Actually, the performance of my models wasn't that bad that I would have contacted service had I not known about this. Probably 95% of the people who have them and do not lurk on this site or a similar one would never have noticed. In that I try to run my layout [somewhat] prototypically (in spite of the few R1 curves I have) I could clearly see surges and inconsistencies at low speeds. If this layout was my Grandson's and he was running them, it would not have been noticable.
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David Dewar		#179 Posted : 24 May 2008 00:13:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,383 Location: Scotland		Ron You have it dead right. M will hope few will know they can get an upgrade and most will just carry on with a model which does not run as well as it could. I wonder how many will try another make to see if it runs better than M. That would be a shame as Marklin can still produce top class stuff if they want to. xxxdown you are a bad boy ... but it gives us a laugh .. hope your mother gets better soon. David
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john black		#180 Posted : 24 May 2008 01:19:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />It is really amusing to see especially those "yelling and screaming" who don't even have any of the relevant models for this upgrade Dead wrong. Locking the barn when the horse has run away won't do us any good [xx(][xx(][xx(] That's why we're here. Trying to shed some light on marklins BEFORE we plunk down the cash [}:)] Another thing. Who are you - a company spokesman [|)] or a fellow forum member If we wanna hear M's voice we can visit their site and read their statements ...
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David Dewar		#181 Posted : 24 May 2008 01:29:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,383 Location: Scotland		For a firm which almost went bust and is hoping to be saved it is important that they are on the ball with customer relations. As you say John we now like to hear about a model before buying it but in the past we could buy with confidence knowing the product would be good. Hopefully these days can return but M must first see where it went wrong. David
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john black		#182 Posted : 24 May 2008 01:33:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Right, Sir.
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Webmaster		#183 Posted : 24 May 2008 01:49:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		So what should I do with my HWZ? It runs fine, but you can clearly see the "speed compensation control" since there is some "bucking" that makes the coaches behind it act "accordeon"-like now and then... With a 5***** motor or Faulhaber/Maxxon DC motor this does not occur with the same coaches... I mean, the loco works ok but has trouble keeping a constant speed with a train of coaches behind it. For an usual train player it's likely ok - you accept it, but for the esoteric perfectionist it is a nightmare... For me it is "good enough" as it is, but if a free upgrade is available I would of course like to have that since it was quite an expensive item... Should I contact M and ask for it?
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H0		#184 Posted : 24 May 2008 02:01:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,338 Location: DE-NW		Hello! Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />I wonder how many will try another make to see if it runs better than M. Here is one! I was so disappointed about my Schienenbus that I banned all M* 39xxx items from further orders - until they announced the SDS and the quality fix for previous items. That's why my class 189 locos have the wipers at the correct location - but that's a different story.
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Webmaster		#185 Posted : 24 May 2008 03:10:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		David, all I can say that some Roco loks I have initially run better than M out of the box, but unfortunately not for so long... Mechanical issues...[:(]
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rschaffr		#186 Posted : 24 May 2008 04:18:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		I have been considering trying a HAG, but they are so darned expensive, if it doesn't run well on my layout...
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mmervine		#187 Posted : 24 May 2008 04:44:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,887 Location: Keene, NH		Juhan: I think that you should take advantage of the upgrade program. mark
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mmervine		#188 Posted : 24 May 2008 04:45:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,887 Location: Keene, NH		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr <br />I have been considering trying a HAG, but they are so darned expensive, if it doesn't run well on my layout... Ron: Have you seen Mike's 'try before you buy' Hag program? r/mark
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rschaffr		#189 Posted : 24 May 2008 04:53:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		You know, I do recall that now that you mention it. Been a very busy couple of weeks at work and I have not had much time for anything else.
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kimballthurlow		#190 Posted : 24 May 2008 04:58:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,691 Location: Brisbane, Australia		My 39120 E10 runs very well. I don't know about serial number, or version number (it is at my other house), but I know I have a two year warranty. If a problem develops, I will take it back to Nathan's Trains in Brisbane (Marklin and Trix dealer) where I bought it, and I know it will be handled well by that means. Or I may decide to send it directly to Goppingen. My experience with that Marklin service is excellent, when I exchanged two transformers about 18 months ago. regards Kimball
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David Dewar		#191 Posted : 24 May 2008 13:41:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,383 Location: Scotland		Ron Try a HAG. You will not have any problems. Go for one with the 21 pin decoder. Compared with this years Insider Model they are cheap!! Take care though if you buy one you will want more. David
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nevw		#192 Posted : 24 May 2008 14:18:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		(] Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />Ron Try a HAG. You will not have any problems. Go for one with the 21 pin decoder. Compared with this years Insider Model they are cheap!! Take care though if you buy one you will want more. David I agree. More on order [}:)][}:)][:(!][xx(]
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Macfire		#193 Posted : 24 May 2008 17:22:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Is there an issue with the 39050 BR.05 If so what
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H0		#194 Posted : 24 May 2008 19:11:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,338 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire <br />Is there an issue with the 39050 BR.05 It has the SDS - and with the SDS the voltage sensitivity is cured.
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rschaffr		#195 Posted : 24 May 2008 23:55:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Unfortunately, mine cost USD40.00 each to send back for upgrade. [:(]
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David Dewar		#196 Posted : 25 May 2008 01:31:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,383 Location: Scotland		John You must follow directives Ron If you want a HAG buy one they certainly wont need to update their motor. Juhan Pay attention your question was answered earlier Best behaviour lads. Having another celebration with Rangers winning the cup so thought I would post the above to get all the replies in one post. Has to be said though that for a toy firm to take back goods which dont works as well as they should ...but are still OK .. is somewhat unusual. The cost to M must be contributing to the losses having to pay wages for the repairs and the cost of new parts. Hopefully not too many will return these as there must have been quite a lot sold. David
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john black		#197 Posted : 26 May 2008 15:27:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Sir David - nope. I only obey God, my President, my Lady and my Webmaster . In that order. After all this is Al's topic . One of the cool guys who don't mind a bit of fun
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rschaffr		#198 Posted : 27 May 2008 04:20:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Lutz: I had to send them separately for insurance purposes. The max they would let me insure one package for was $500.00
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alonso231gery		#199 Posted : 27 May 2008 17:39:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black Locking the barn when the horse has run away won't do us any good [xx(][xx(][xx(] Nice quote
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john black		#200 Posted : 27 May 2008 18:06:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Nikos, my friend - great to see you back Darn busy [xx(] in the Army, huh ...
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