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Davy		#1 Posted : 03 June 2007 23:19:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		The result was very good. No slower driving loc when switching on another loc with a steamgenerator our sound. Our the interieur lighting of a ICE. Also the loc was tested with a heavy pulling test (3000 gram). The result was very good. Looks like Marklin has solved the problems. But on my layout I had never had a problem. The test was done on a m-track layout with a CS. Also it looks like that the mfx decoder speed curve has been put standard on lineair. The complete test in German. http://rietig-online.homepage.t-online.de/
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perz		#2 Posted : 04 June 2007 00:45:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Also it looks like that the mfx decoder has been put standard on lineair. Excuse me, could you explain?
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Bart		#3 Posted : 04 June 2007 00:48:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/05/2002(UTC) Posts: 676		Great link, thanks!
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Sander van Wijk		#4 Posted : 04 June 2007 00:48:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		Maybe he's refering to the velocity curve of the decoder?
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Hemmerich		#5 Posted : 04 June 2007 01:10:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Standard factory setting of the speed step curve for new products was set to exponential, which caused slightly inconvenience with some customers which were for example used to the linear speed increase behaviour with the previous generation of decoders. Märklin has apparently now decided to change the default decoder setting to linear, since one of my newly manufactured models - as well already equipped with the SDS motor and new driver pcb - has this setting now too.
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David Dewar		#6 Posted : 04 June 2007 01:24:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,450 Location: Scotland		Hi Lutz... Can you tell us what model you have and how it performs. David
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pa-pauls		#7 Posted : 04 June 2007 01:27:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Hi friends, We need info Lutz, more info please !
		Pål Paulsen Märklin Spur 1 Digital, epoche 3
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perz		#8 Posted : 04 June 2007 01:43:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Maybe he's refering to the velocity curve of the decoder? OK, I see. Good move by Märklin then.
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john black		#9 Posted : 04 June 2007 07:48:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />Since one of my newly manufactured models already equipped with the SDS motor ... Since you're throwing in this one that en passant I've to ask you why do you hide the pics from us Or is this just a joke, again ...
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steventrain		#10 Posted : 04 June 2007 09:43:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Very good. Can you give me more information please,Lutz.
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Hemmerich		#11 Posted : 04 June 2007 12:58:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black why do you hide the pics from us Which pics? Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Or is this just a joke, again ... I think the one joking is you (as usual). It's really not worth to destroy the motor just to make a pic for you.
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RayF		#12 Posted : 04 June 2007 13:05:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Lutz, I think John means that he would like to see a picture of your locomotive, not the inside of its motor. Ray
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Hemmerich		#13 Posted : 04 June 2007 13:23:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />Hi Lutz... Can you tell us what model you have and how it performs. Hi David, et al, I've got a newly manufactured E10 345 (#39120). As expected from my discussion with the Märklin R&D manager in February it contains now a new mtc/driver pcb and apparently also the new motor (despite the fact that the part numbers remain unchanged); i.e. you should also see this in the new Rheingold/TEE E10's once they're delivered. Here the comparison of the old vs. new board (you'll see the relocation of the SDS driver pic on the new pcb due to some interfering signals): (don't get confused about the different loudspeaker; this was just "another test". ) Driving performance is just perfect and my own test results match as well what has been mentioned for the Ae 8/14 above.
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john black		#14 Posted : 04 June 2007 13:26:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />It's really not worth to destroy the motor just to make a pic for you Good heaven, no !!! As Ray says - of course I mean your great loco pictures, as usual Edit: Now our last posts were almost simultaneously - thanks for those pics, Lutz [:p]
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RayF		#15 Posted : 04 June 2007 13:45:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Excellent! I've got a 39180 on order (Br218), which should have the new motor. I'm looking forward to trying it out. It should be soon now, as its due out in June '07. Ray
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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nevw		#16 Posted : 04 June 2007 13:48:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Likewise I have a 39121 (E10) Rheingold on order. Should have the new motor and due out June 07. ANyday soon
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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john black		#17 Posted : 04 June 2007 15:14:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		You guys all have too much money ... So I'll be a good boy this year - only two of the <u>new</u> models for me [B)][8)][:I][:p]
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alonso231gery		#18 Posted : 04 June 2007 16:09:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		And many many older models John.
		An outsider. I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
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steventrain		#19 Posted : 04 June 2007 16:32:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Anyone got the 37772 included SDS? (already delivery to dealer)
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Davy		#20 Posted : 04 June 2007 17:02:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		I have not seen the model yet in the shop. But this model also will get the new softdrive sinus.
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perz		#21 Posted : 04 June 2007 21:57:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Another question about the SDS engine: Have they fixed the power off => power on problem? Or does the loco take off with full speed when you turn power on if it was running full speed just before power off? This should be easy to test for anyone who has got such a loco.
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RayF		#22 Posted : 04 June 2007 22:15:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I thought all digital locos did that? Ray
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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john black		#23 Posted : 04 June 2007 22:20:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />And many many older models John Nikos, knowing me you're right as always ...
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Hemmerich		#24 Posted : 04 June 2007 22:51:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas <br />I thought all digital locos did that? Has nothing to do with the SDS. It is a selectable decoder parameter. Factory preset is -unchanged- as follows (CV 73): - preserve function key settings? = YES - preserve current target speed? = YES - start after reset with delayed speed? = NO You can change this parameter any time as desired (see also Märklin web Service FAQ's).
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Davy		#25 Posted : 05 June 2007 01:27:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by perz <br />Another question about the SDS engine: Have they fixed the power off =&gt; power on problem? Or does the loco take off with full speed when you turn power on if it was running full speed just before power off? This should be easy to test for anyone who has got such a loco. Yes in the test. This was no problem what so ever.
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Hemmerich		#26 Posted : 05 June 2007 18:25:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by perz <br />Another question about the SDS engine: Have they fixed the power off =&gt; power on problem? Or does the loco take off with full speed when you turn power on if it was running full speed just before power off? This should be easy to test for anyone who has got such a loco. Yes in the test. This was no problem what so ever. Hi Davy, IMHO we talk about two different behaviours here. 1 - short voltage dropouts (as described in that "test") 2 - cycling power off/on (as mentioned by Per) 1 is known as the "Alzheimer effect" of former decoders and has been successfully resolved by ESU. 2 - is dependent upon the register setting as listed above. If you use the factory setting, after the power cycle the loco will continue driving with the last set speed step; if the bit is set to ON, the loco will start slowly according to the selected speed curve. BTW: I was mistaken in my assumption that Märklin has changed the speed curve of this loco now to linear; it is still factory preset to exponential (I just didn't recognize this upfront with my first tests using only a MS and before I had read out the decoder with the LokProgrammer and using the CS).
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steventrain		#27 Posted : 05 June 2007 19:49:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		First 37772 fill with SDS now in stock.
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perz		#28 Posted : 06 June 2007 00:57:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Lutz, All mfx decoders I have tested so far have the following behavior: a) with CV 73 = 7 =&gt; "Alzheimer" (although not fully as severe as in the old LokPilot 1 days) b) with CV 73 = 3 =&gt; Run off with remembered speed directly after a power off/power on cycle. You can get rid of a) or b) but not both at the same time. How is this with the SDS? <s>You are mentioning CV 73 = 6, but both Märklin FAQ and ESU LokSound manual only discuss the values 3 and 7, which also are the two values that make sense according to my tests. Have you mixed up the bits, or has there been a change to the meaning of this parameter between different versions?</s>(Lutz updated his post after this was written).
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Hemmerich		#29 Posted : 06 June 2007 02:23:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by perz <br />Lutz, All mfx decoders I have tested so far have the following behavior: a) with CV 73 = 7 =&gt; "Alzheimer" (although not fully as severe as in the old LokPilot 1 days) b) with CV 73 = 3 =&gt; Run off with remembered speed directly after a power off/power on cycle. You can get rid of a) or b) but not both at the same time. How is this with the SDS? You are mentioning CV 73 = 6, but both M�rklin FAQ and ESU LokSound manual only discuss the values 3 and 7, which also are the two values that make sense according to my tests. Have you mixed up the bits, or has there been a change to the meaning of this parameter between different versions? Hi Per, Sorry about the confusion with the values (I had counted the bits bottom up - corrected my message above). I've tested my new loco with acceleration=ON, which resulted in the desired effect after power off/on (respective switching the signal to red and after some time to green). I could not determine any "Alzheimer" behaviour (yet). The decoder is a mfx3.0 and has a version code 0028 and date code 0.6.81 (i.e. the latest one I know of). Again, what should the decoder Alzheimer behaviour have to do with the SDS? IMHO nothing. Important is that the motor/loco starts driving very smooth when this bit is set ON (regardless of the load it has to pull).
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perz		#30 Posted : 06 June 2007 02:28:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Renewed tests with my latest mfx (37555) shows the same behavior as always with mfx decoders: CV 73 = 2 or 3: The loco runs away full speed immediately at power on if it was running full speed just before power off. All other settings of CV 73: "Alzheimer" problem, but gentle start after a long power off. New Hobby loks (e.g. 36848 "Alex") do not show any of the problems. Now 37555 isn't a very new lok either, so maybe ESU have done something since then. Lutz claims that the "Alzheimer effect" has been successfully resolved by ESU. Was it before or after the 37555? If it was before the 37555 it wasn't so "successfully" in my opinion.
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perz		#31 Posted : 06 June 2007 02:54:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Again, what should the decoder Alzheimer behaviour have to do with the SDS? IMHO nothing. IMHO there is no direct connection, but my thinking is that if Märklin think they need to develop a whole new motor concept to fix some minor problems, why don't they fix those other much bigger and much simpler problems too? The fact that the problem actually is fixed in the low-cost models indicates that Märklin are aware of it so the logic would be that they go on and fix their high-end models too.
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Hemmerich		#32 Posted : 06 June 2007 16:40:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by perz New Hobby loks (e.g. 36848 "Alex") do not show any of the problems. They have a completely different decoder installed (not even manufactured by ESU) - and knowingly they don't have any Compact C-Sine or SDS. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Now 37555 isn't a very new lok either, so maybe ESU have done something since then. Correct. This model was produced in 2006. What we (including myself) talk about are models which have been produced in 2007 and contain the SDS as well as latest ESU LokPilot mfx/LokSound mfx decoders with versions 3.0/3.5 and date codes of approx. March 2007. PS: Regarding the decoder "storage options", there exist different descriptions, depending upon the decoder type. For LokPilot 3.0, the CV is 124 and definitions are described for: - "Falschfahrbit" (1) - Storage of Function status (2) - Storage of current speed (4) - Start with defined delay (8) - no PWM in analog mode (64) - no PWM for functions in analog mode (128) For LokSound 3.5, the CV is the same and one more parameter has been added and the two analog PWM parameters are not referred: - disable load dependent sound (16) For LokPilot and LokSound mfx, the CV is 73, but the parameters are only described by ESU for the LokSound mfx: - don't store anything (0) - storage of currrent speed and function setting (3) - storage of currrent speed and function setting and start with defined delays after a reset (7) These parameters and values match the corresponding Märklin FAQ entry, but the documents don't give more information about possibly more combinations. As well neither the LokProgrammer nor the CS show (IMHO) the direct CV value.
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perz		#33 Posted : 06 June 2007 17:21:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Correct. This model was produced in 2006. What we (including myself) talk about are models which have been produced in 2007 and contain the SDS as well as latest ESU LokPilot mfx/LokSound mfx decoders with versions 3.0/3.5 and date codes of approx. March 2007. So there is hope that it is finally fixed then.
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pa-pauls		#34 Posted : 06 June 2007 17:47:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Thank's ! Very good information, interesting reading,,, Must test this after recieving my first model with the SDS,,,
		Pål Paulsen Märklin Spur 1 Digital, epoche 3
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Davy		#35 Posted : 10 June 2007 16:23:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		First Marklin model test with the new sinus engine from Marklin. The SVT04 from Maerklin (37772). http://www.toytrains.it/...s/detail.asp?IDProd=9634 The test is very good news. Loks drive great. http://stummi.foren-city...icht-maerklin-svt04.html http://img148.imageshack....php?image=svt041ye6.jpg
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steventrain		#36 Posted : 10 June 2007 20:13:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Thanks for the link.I already order with lokshop but email info me yesterday that was in stock and will shipped next week.
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Hemmerich		#37 Posted : 11 June 2007 00:45:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		For those interested, please find attached a few pics of the new electronics of the just delivered VT04.501 #37772. - mtc pcb upper and lower side, containing as well the SDS driver - SDS connector pcb - SDS motor/drive Driving characteristic of this new SDS model is as well just superb! Sound is ok (coming from a 40x20mm/100Ohm loudspeaker; the same as can be found in some Märklin U.S. models). Speed curve is factory preset to linear for this model now as well. I'll likely add some detailed test result soon - also in comparison with the SVT137 #37770 in both versions, unconverted and converted to mfx with sound (ESU #62450); the latter one will then compare directly to the new SDS model. Retrofitting of the former SVT models is technically possible but will be rather expensive (despite the fact that some of the needed items are not yet released for spare part distribution; might even be that they never will be); besides the new electronics and SDS motor you'd need new bases, drive mechanism, motor cover, etc.
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Bart		#38 Posted : 11 June 2007 01:35:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/05/2002(UTC) Posts: 676		Thanks Lutz, great info!
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intruder		#39 Posted : 11 June 2007 02:37:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Thanks, Lutz. Great information, as ever!
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pa-pauls		#40 Posted : 11 June 2007 14:42:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Thank's Lutz, Very good information as always and nice photo's
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Guus		#41 Posted : 11 June 2007 15:13:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Thank you Lutz, I agree with the previous writers,great information as always! Kind regards Guus
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Hemmerich		#42 Posted : 11 June 2007 16:05:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Glad to hear - it's my pleasure! [:I] I almost forgot to share the most important picture with you!
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steventrain		#43 Posted : 11 June 2007 16:27:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Very good,Thanks for the information,Lutz.
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rschaffr		#44 Posted : 11 June 2007 17:37:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,181 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Good information. Can't wait to get my 39562.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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Guus		#45 Posted : 11 June 2007 18:35:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		I agree Ron,can't wait for mine. Guus
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Guus		#46 Posted : 28 June 2007 19:48:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi all, I picked up my new SDS equipped loco at my dealer's today. Some of you may have noticed I was already happy with the previous small C-sine engine,but this one really surpasses all expectations! What a nice and quiet engine. The loc drives dead slow without hesitation and accelerates very smoothly. The loc is an Ae 8/14 in a colorscheme that may not be everybody's taste,but alas... Another nice feature is the improved mass contact by means of a pickup shoe "a la HAG",clearly something from the DC world(thanks to TRIX perhaps?). Ae 8/14 39590 with two SDS motors Mass contact shoe I may have been lucky with the previous C-sine,which of course has/had its problem,but this SDS motor I believe brings back the old big C-sine qualities of Märklin. Kind regards Guus
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alonso231gery		#47 Posted : 28 June 2007 21:33:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Thank you Guus and congratulations . Any comments about her pulling capability?
		An outsider. I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
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bmcrae		#48 Posted : 28 June 2007 23:49:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 970 Location: Okanagan Valley, BC		WOW!! [:p][:p][:p][:p] That's nice! Congrats Guus and thanks for the report on the SDS.
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David Dewar		#49 Posted : 29 June 2007 00:09:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,450 Location: Scotland		Congratulations Guus. A great looking machine and good to know that the new motor is also looking good. Have fun. David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Hemmerich		#50 Posted : 29 June 2007 00:17:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus Another nice feature is the improved mass contact by means of a pickup shoe "a la HAG",clearly something from the DC world(thanks to TRIX perhaps?). Hi Guus, also my congratulations! I didn't order this model, but I could test drive it already once - and I can simply confirm what you determined. I have to seriously consider a technical "upgrade" of my 37591 to that of this new model. [:p] The mass contact could even be almost as old as HAMO (left on picture). Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I may have been lucky with the previous C-sine,which of course has/had its problem,but this SDS motor I believe brings back the old big C-sine qualities of Märklin. Did you ever have doubts about this? I didn't!
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