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Offline Hans_Dietrich  
#1 Posted : 26 March 2005 15:49:40(UTC)
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Hi!

Since we had some recent discussions about DC to AC digital conversion, here is my latest project: A Bachmann three truck Shay. The pick-up is under the tender, the decoder is an Uhlenbrock 76500 which is small enough to fit in the housing. The loco has a lot of really good detail. All metal, directional lights, lighted firebox. However, I had to do some modifications to the trucks to make is run on M-track. However, now the running characteristics are very good: prototypically slow at max. speed, very smooth and quiet.

I am quite happy with the loco and conversion

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This picture shows the fine detail of this loco, the gear drive with moving pistons an control rods.

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This picture shows the Shay pulling a Roco Ep. I lumber car up a grade. All six axles are powered, but no traction tyres.

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Hans

Hans ... Epoch I to V, M-track, IB with MS
Offline jselter  
#2 Posted : 26 March 2005 16:20:34(UTC)
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Hans, your a true craftsman. I can only imagine the work you put into this beauty.

Joe
Offline Rocca  
#3 Posted : 26 March 2005 16:28:57(UTC)
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Hi Hans,

A very impressive work!!! Compliments!!!
Best regards

Stefano
Offline PierreGILLARD  
#4 Posted : 26 March 2005 16:29:09(UTC)
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Hello Hans !
Great Job ! Congratulations.
I will have to change my mind about Bachman ... I am looking in the Walthers catalogue and I see that this is Bachman's most expensive locomotive ... but probably the most beautiful too.
Which kind of modification have you applied on trucks ?
Once again, congratulations for your job.
Pierre.
Offline john black  
#5 Posted : 26 March 2005 16:49:26(UTC)
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GREAT WORK - congratulations [:p]!!!

John

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Offline nico van zon  
#6 Posted : 26 March 2005 16:49:49(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hans_Dietrich
<br />......Since we had some recent discussions about DC to AC digital conversion, .....

You mean to say: 2-rail to 3-rail conversion.
Digital has nothing to do with AC or DC.
You can have AC analog, DC analog or Digital.
There is no such thing as AC digital or DC digital.
Offline Hans_Dietrich  
#7 Posted : 26 March 2005 22:20:31(UTC)
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Thanks everybody for their kind remarks.

Pierre: The loco was a fine runner on Atlas DC standard curved track.
To make it run reliably on M-track I had to modify several things including grinding off some truck detail:

1) The trucks were tightly seated in their bearings, limiting easy rotation. After some widening, polishing and oiling of the truck eye, the trucks now rotate freely.
2) The draw bar between the loco and the tender was too short, again not allowing not enough movement. I fashioned a longer (2mm) draw bar from copper wire. I also added a piece of black shrink tubing to the cardan axle to prevent its slipping out of the holder.
3) The frame of the each truck had a detail (about a mm thick)that touched a center contact in the switches causing a short. I had to grind down that detail, painted the surface black and added clear laquer for added insulation.
4) Because of the small RP 25 wheel diameter, the switches have to be fitted with an elongated counter rail. I use brass strips about 6 cm long.

I was able to buy the loco new at a local train show at a substantial discount.

Hope it helps. Hans
Smile
Hans ... Epoch I to V, M-track, IB with MS
Offline PierreGILLARD  
#8 Posted : 27 March 2005 00:16:46(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hans_Dietrich
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Hope it helps. Hans
Smile

Certainly ... and it gives me ideas ... !
Many thanks.
Pierre.
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#9 Posted : 27 March 2005 21:31:42(UTC)
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Very interesting topic, it's not really my style models but still...
Would it be possible to post some pics of the bottom of this loco? I would love seeing how it looks. wink
Sander
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Era I(b): K.Bay.Sts.B. and K.W.St.E.
Offline Hans_Dietrich  
#10 Posted : 27 March 2005 22:51:54(UTC)
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Hi, Sander.

Here is the loco from underneath.

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Here is the tender in more detail.

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Hans
Hans ... Epoch I to V, M-track, IB with MS
Offline PierreGILLARD  
#11 Posted : 28 March 2005 02:21:38(UTC)
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Nicely done, Hans.
Congratulations.
Pierre.
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#12 Posted : 28 March 2005 14:12:05(UTC)
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Looks nice!
Maybe I'm going to try it too, for a friend of mine... Thanks for the picture! wink
Sander
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Offline john black  
#13 Posted : 29 March 2005 12:11:09(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nico van zon
<br />There is no such thing as AC digital


???

John

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide

Offline nico van zon  
#14 Posted : 29 March 2005 12:36:36(UTC)
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John,
it's exactly as I told. you can have analog AC, or analog DC, or digital.
If you think you can explain the difference between AC digital and DC digital, you're invited!
Offline john black  
#15 Posted : 29 March 2005 12:44:23(UTC)
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Nico, it was a question since I had always thought when digitalizing an analog AC loco (id est: fitting with an decoder) same loco would become an digital AC loco ... [:I] Please tell me why she isn't AC anymore, then ?

Many thanks Smile
John

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide

Offline nico van zon  
#16 Posted : 29 March 2005 13:11:59(UTC)
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John,
it's because digital voltage is not a normal AC voltage nor a normal DC voltage. It's a coded square wave voltage. And there are different types of coding, you can have Motorola, MFX, DCC, FMZ, Selectrix, and may be some more exist.

Maybe there are Märklinists who think that Märklin is restricted to Motorola or MFX, but if you like you can run your M locos on DCC for instance.
Offline john black  
#17 Posted : 29 March 2005 13:36:23(UTC)
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Many thanks, Nico Smile - now I see the picture ! And I'll try to avoid wrong termini technici in the future ...

Best Regards
John

This forum is just great - almost every day I can learn something new Smile

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide

Offline steventrain  
#18 Posted : 01 April 2005 00:21:20(UTC)
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I HAVE ONE FRIEND HAVE THE MODEL,IT WAS TWO RAILS DC MOTOR.DID YOU CHANGE TO AC MOTORconfused
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Offline Hans_Dietrich  
#19 Posted : 01 April 2005 07:23:57(UTC)
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Hi!
Were currently out of town.

Stephen:
The loco has still its DC motor.

The loco was originally a DC analog loco. DC is often synomymously used for 2-rail operation since no major system uses AC power with two rails. Conversely, since there is no major model train system that uses three rails with DC power but AC power, AC is synonymously used for 3-rail operation.

So the loco was DC (two rail) analog. Thanks to modern decoders and adding a pick-up, the loco can now operate as a 3-rail or AC analog loco. In addition, it can now also operate digitally.

Nico: I believe, I used the terms correctly: I converted a DC analog loco to AC digital or to spell it out: A DC two rail analog loco converted into a AC three rail analog and digital operating loco. However, my defintion is based on the operation modus while yours is based on the electrical wave form.

I am participating in forums for many years. One thing I learned, was to use my wording carefully and to the best of my knowledge, but especially not to use absolutisms or to sound patronising to participants. If I were to point out an error, I would do so respectfully, because if I found out one thing: there always will be someone in that forum who would come up with an example, a definition or explanation to proof me wrong.

Hans Dietrich

Hans ... Epoch I to V, M-track, IB with MS
Offline nico van zon  
#20 Posted : 01 April 2005 09:51:00(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hans_Dietrich
<br />...... since no major system uses AC power with two rails.

What about Märklin scale 1? biggrin

Hans,
as for the rest of your message, I do not fully agree with you. Being an electrician, when I read the term AC, then I automatically think about the waveform. The waveform has nothing to do with the way of transporting the energy. You van combine 3-rail with AC, but DC is also possible. The same for 2-rail: mostly it is combined with DC, but AC is also possible.
For that matter, digital is not normal AC, and I stay to my point that AC-digital and DC-digital are not correct terms.
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