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svgeorgiad		#1 Posted : 24 November 2007 08:10:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 614 Location: Athens,		Although official announcement will be made next weekend during IMA in Muenchen (which BTW I intend to visit) rumors have spread widely in German Forums that the new Insider (2008) for M* will be .... Vt10.501 which is another "Triebwagen" of the TEE-series. For TRIX it will be the V300 most probably. I will try to post some pictures later.
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svgeorgiad		#2 Posted : 24 November 2007 08:24:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 614 Location: Athens,		Here are some pictures for comment V300 VT10.501 SENATOR
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svgeorgiad		#3 Posted : 24 November 2007 08:48:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 614 Location: Athens,		I felt thrilled to publish this photo of the VT10551 Comet as it has to do with Greece too. The site where this photo is posted is Dutch so this is what I could more or less understand from the little dutch I know. (http://www.nicospilt.com/duitsland_treinstellen115.htm) It is from the official visit of Finance Minister of West Germany Dr. Erhardt sometime in the sixties. The photo was most probably taken in the Hauptbahnhof - Central Railway Station of Athens - the so called Larissis Station (Greek members will surely know).
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steventrain		#4 Posted : 24 November 2007 09:37:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Look very good.
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nevw		#5 Posted : 24 November 2007 10:24:16(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#6 Posted : 24 November 2007 15:29:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,034		Marklin and Trix cannot presentation differents insider models...! They must have same models for in 3-rail and 2-rails...! Goofy
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David Dewar		#7 Posted : 24 November 2007 17:58:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,352 Location: Scotland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br />Marklin and Trix cannot presentation differents insider models...! They must have same models for in 3-rail and 2-rails...! Goofy Why is that Goofy. David
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Larry		#8 Posted : 24 November 2007 18:13:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Thanks for the information. I hate to be a contrarian but I didn't like the 2007 release of the TEE Gottardo and this VT 10.501 looks even worse to me. However, these models have a way of growing on me from when I first see them such that I bought the VT11.5 as strange as it looks and love it. There are so few pics of the VT 10.501 on websites I assume it was only used for a very short period or had some fundamental flaws. This pic of the VT 10.501 looks a bit better, at least to me: http://www.weinert-modellbau.de/wm_pdf/Spur_N.pdf
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alonso231gery		#9 Posted : 24 November 2007 18:41:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		If the new insider model is this V300, i will become an insider myself and i will betray the outsiders .
		An outsider. I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
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svgeorgiad		#10 Posted : 24 November 2007 20:15:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 614 Location: Athens,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry <br />Thanks for the information. I hate to be a contrarian but I didn't like the 2007 release of the TEE Gottardo and this VT 10.501 looks even worse to me. However, these models have a way of growing on me from when I first see them such that I bought the VT11.5 as strange as it looks and love it. There are so few pics of the VT 10.501 on websites I assume it was only used for a very short period or had some fundamental flaws. This pic of the VT 10.501 looks a bit better, at least to me: http://www.weinert-modellbau.de/wm_pdf/Spur_N.pdf Larry Indeed it seems that only Weinert has launched this model. I am too not very enthusiastic about VT10.501. On the contrary, as Nikos says I would prefer the V300 as a M* Insider model rather than another railcar. FYI MM will publish a full review about VT10.501 in its next issue (see MM No. 5 page 108).
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svgeorgiad		#11 Posted : 24 November 2007 20:41:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 614 Location: Athens,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry <br />Thanks for the information. I hate to be a contrarian but I didn't like the 2007 release of the TEE Gottardo and this VT 10.501 looks even worse to me. However, these models have a way of growing on me from when I first see them such that I bought the VT11.5 as strange as it looks and love it. There are so few pics of the VT 10.501 on websites I assume it was only used for a very short period or had some fundamental flaws. This pic of the VT 10.501 looks a bit better, at least to me: http://www.weinert-modellbau.de/wm_pdf/Spur_N.pdf Larry Indeed it seems that only Weinert has launched this model. I am too not very enthusiastic about VT10.501. On the contrary, as Nikos says I would prefer the V300 as a M* Insider model rather than another railcar. FYI MM will publish a full review about VT10.501 in its next issue (see MM No. 5 page 108).
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Larry		#12 Posted : 24 November 2007 21:24:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Thanks, Symeon. I am sure MM will have more pics than I could find. Yes, I agree another railcar seems too repetitive.
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steventrain		#13 Posted : 25 November 2007 12:02:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Is the VT10.501 in red/white livery?
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steventrain		#14 Posted : 25 November 2007 12:13:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />If the new insider model is this V300, i will become an insider myself and i will betray the outsiders . You wouldn't get the coupon.
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svgeorgiad		#15 Posted : 25 November 2007 21:25:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 614 Location: Athens,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />Is the VT10.501 in red/white livery? Steve Yes I think it is going to be the red/beige livery as Weinert's model. I think it is going to take for ever with all these different TEE versions, which are so different and so alike at the same time. I think that it is kind of boring to have so much attention given to TEE while other locs are neglected.
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alonso231gery		#16 Posted : 25 November 2007 21:38:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		My sentiments exactly Simo. Some people do not like at all TEEs, i got mine (37606) from i person that had it for a week, then he got bored with it. Steven i will be able to find it.
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Frostie		#17 Posted : 25 November 2007 23:01:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,614 Location: Birmingham,Alabama		It is going to be interesting to see what marklin has to say at the IMA next weekend with this potential announcement. How are they going to handle the car coupling issue with the current fiasco with the Gotardo and the apparent new TEE Train. ? if another TEE, this next years Insider might be the first one that I will skip. And I have every insider going back to the first.
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Jeff Stimson		#18 Posted : 26 November 2007 20:15:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 13 Location: Franklin, WI		Hello Everyone, The VT 10.501 was not a TEE train. It preceded the TEE era by a good 4 years. It came in a red and natural aluminum color scheme. There was a day train, the Senator, with single axle wheel sets between the articulated cars. The overnight train, the Komet, had two-axle trucks between the articulated cars. Kruckenberg of Rail Zeppelin fame partcipated in the design of these trains. Both trains were in operation for about 4 years. The Senator with its single-axle running gear between the cars never provided a satisfactory ride according to DB documents. Both trains, however, provided experience and information that led to the development of the first TEE train, the VT 11.5. Jeff Stimson Märklin, Inc.
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viragoLDR		#19 Posted : 27 November 2007 12:08:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		Not sure about trix H0, but minitrix profi club is a v300. It's the blue/silver colour scheme as delivered from the factory. I've seen the brochure of the thing, looked quite nice.
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svgeorgiad		#20 Posted : 27 November 2007 17:37:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 614 Location: Athens,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Frostie <br />It is going to be interesting to see what marklin has to say at the IMA next weekend with this potential announcement. How are they going to handle the car coupling issue with the current fiasco with the Gotardo and the apparent new TEE Train. ? if another TEE, this next years Insider might be the first one that I will skip. And I have every insider going back to the first. Frostie, Exactly the same feelings. The fiasco with the coupling of Gottardo is really unbelievable. I feel lucky that I didn't order this item at the first place. The 2007 Insider I didn't buy simply because steamers are not my favorites (although lately I start reconsidering and I will probably chase it in Ebay). Insider 2008 I will again not buy simply because of boreness!
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Seetal		#21 Posted : 27 November 2007 23:16:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 548 Location: Maryland, USA		Thanks Jeff, Indirectly confirming the new models perhpas? John
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svgeorgiad		#22 Posted : 28 November 2007 13:04:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 614 Location: Athens,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Seetal <br />Thanks Jeff, Indirectly confirming the new models perhpas? John John I think you are right. It was great that this post attracted the attention of Jeff, who I do not know, but apparently he represents Maerklin in the US. It is more than obvious that the information listed in Stummi's is accurate. Therefore my visit to IMA in the weekend will not have any surprises at least at the Insider's presentation front.
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Hemmerich		#23 Posted : 30 November 2007 01:21:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by svgeorgiad It is more than obvious that the information listed in Stummi's is accurate. BTW: The TRIX N Club model (#12424) was introduced in the TRIX Profi Club news #4/2007, which I received already quite some time ago. It was reported that 74% respondents to the questionaire voted for the blue and only 26% for the cream/red livery.
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rschaffr		#24 Posted : 30 November 2007 02:45:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		I would love to have the V300 in blue/silver as the Marklin Insider model. I wouldn't hesitate a moment over that one.
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jeehring		#25 Posted : 30 November 2007 04:53:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Jeff Stimson <br />Hello Everyone, The VT 10.501 was not a TEE train. It preceded the TEE era by a good 4 years. It came in a red and natural aluminum color scheme. There was a day train, the Senator, with single axle wheel sets between the articulated cars. The overnight train, the Komet, had two-axle trucks between the articulated cars. Kruckenberg of Rail Zeppelin fame partcipated in the design of these trains. Both trains were in operation for about 4 years. The Senator with its single-axle running gear between the cars never provided a satisfactory ride according to DB documents. Both trains, however, provided experience and information that led to the development of the first TEE train, the VT 11.5. Jeff Stimson Märklin, Inc. Thank you for good info Jeff . Do you mean there was bogie Jacob between cars on the Komet ? About the Senator : was it the same system as Talgo did with only one axle on each car ? I like early era III . I like experimentals trains .For me it sounds good .How many coaches on each trains ? Do you know if the models of coaches will be plastic or metal ? I'm trying to find some website .
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steventrain		#26 Posted : 30 November 2007 15:37:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Pictures of Insider 2008 can found om stummi.de! H0 scale 39100 Schnelltriebzug "Senator" Z scale 88100 ditto. Gauge I 55103 BR 103.
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rschaffr		#27 Posted : 30 November 2007 18:04:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		That 103 almost makes me want to get into Spur 1. I guess I could buy it and put it on the mantle.
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laalves		#28 Posted : 01 December 2007 00:11:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr <br />That 103 almost makes me want to get into Spur 1. I guess I could buy it and put it on the mantle. Fantastic monster... This makes me drool over scale 1, indeed. This one and BR01, BR44, BR96... What a shame I'm not a rich man! I wonder why that is? Re H0 Insider, I think I'll pass this year. Another longworm fooling around in my layout... no shunting possibilities.... Besides, 750€ for the whole set, or even 599€ for the basic, but with only one motor and onde decoder, when compared to the VT11.5, makes it too expensive for my taste. Let's see what the 2008 novelties bring on, then, so that I redirect my budget!
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steventrain		#29 Posted : 01 December 2007 09:56:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by laalves <br /> Re H0 Insider, I think I'll pass this year. Another longworm fooling around in my layout... no shunting possibilities.... Besides, 750€ for the whole set, or even 599€ for the basic, but with only one motor and onde decoder, when compared to the VT11.5, makes it too expensive for my taste. Yeah, I agreed with you Larry. Price too bad for me.
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Goofy		#30 Posted : 01 December 2007 13:35:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,034		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />Pictures of Insider 2008 can found om stummi.de! H0 scale 39100 Schnelltriebzug "Senator" Z scale 88100 ditto. Gauge I 55103 BR 103. Where is the pictures...? Can´t find them...! Goofy
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steventrain		#31 Posted : 01 December 2007 15:16:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />Pictures of Insider 2008 can found om stummi.de! H0 scale 39100 Schnelltriebzug "Senator" Z scale 88100 ditto. Gauge I 55103 BR 103. Where is the pictures...? Can´t find them...! Goofy http://stummi.foren-city...-insidermodell-2008.html
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David Dewar		#32 Posted : 01 December 2007 15:44:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,352 Location: Scotland		The HO insider wont be for me but as Ron says the 103 would be a different proposition. David
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steventrain		#33 Posted : 01 December 2007 16:39:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Yes I know, David. I am not interesting in Senator but very interesting in S3/6 but only for Trix 2-rail, see picture in pdf. I hope marklin get one. http://www.maerklin-info...rix_Flyer_22040_S3-6.pdf
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Frostie		#34 Posted : 01 December 2007 17:07:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,614 Location: Birmingham,Alabama		Are we getting new tooling in HO for the S 3/6 ??? It looks pretty in Prussian livery !
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Hemmerich		#35 Posted : 01 December 2007 21:56:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Frostie <br />Are we getting new tooling in HO for the S 3/6 ??? It looks pretty in Prussian livery ! Did you ever compare the driver cabin of the existing model and the newly announced TRIX model? To give you some more "sleepless night" it might be of interest that this new TRIX model as well as the other ones introduced this year can be easily converted to 3-rail operation. [:p]
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Larry		#36 Posted : 01 December 2007 22:17:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		While I did not like the pics of the prototype, the Senator looks great to me as depicted as a Marklin Insider model. Big advantage here is that like the VT 11.5 (that I love) the coach cars seem suffiently short so that the Senator would not have any of the problems of exposed wiring between coaches on curves.
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Larry		#37 Posted : 02 December 2007 04:04:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Ok, so enough talk about the Senator and the Insider model which is only one model among many. So, what are the other models that will be produced in 2008? I am itching to know and hoping I have no interest in them so my expeditures will be less in this coming year!
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DasBert33		#38 Posted : 02 December 2007 11:34:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,245		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich To give you some more "sleepless night" it might be of interest that this new TRIX model as well as the other ones introduced this year can be easily converted to 3-rail operation. [:p] Do you really want to? I hope that all-plastic steamlocos like this with the tender pushing the loco will stay Trix-only. No matter how detailed they are. Bert
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steventrain		#39 Posted : 02 December 2007 12:21:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		If i decide to buy the first Gauge 1 with BR103 but need the starter set.
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Goofy		#40 Posted : 02 December 2007 13:35:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,034		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Frostie <br />Are we getting new tooling in HO for the S 3/6 ??? It looks pretty in Prussian livery ! It´s not Prussian,instead Bayern...! YES...! It´s new totally tooling for the S 3/6...! Goofy [:p]
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Hemmerich		#41 Posted : 06 December 2007 00:42:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Here some pics of the new Insider model handcrafts/prototypes. The "Senator" will come with a SDS (for both Märklin and TRIX) and thus due to its strength and opposed to the VT11.5 won't need a second motor. The BR103 is a really "great" model!!! [:p] Even in comparison to some others. PS: The TRIX BR18.4 will not be easy convertible to 3-rail.
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David Dewar		#42 Posted : 06 December 2007 01:21:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,352 Location: Scotland		I like the 103 just the wrong gauge for me at present. Dont like the look of the HO Insider so will be able to save cash next year. Be interesting to see what the start sets for 2008 will be but I expect that is some time away. David
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alonso231gery		#43 Posted : 06 December 2007 02:08:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		If it had two motors, it would have been a temptation . I guess i will start saving money for the "Gottardo" in another livery .
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Jeff Stimson		#44 Posted : 06 December 2007 18:06:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 13 Location: Franklin, WI		Hello Everyone, To answer the questions that arose after my last message and based on the information I have received since then: The entire Senator train in H0 will have die-cast metal frames and bodies like the VT 11.5, VT 08, the VT 04 Montan Express and the prewar Hamburg design VT 137 diesel powered rail car. On the Komet in real life there was a truck or bogie between the cars in an articulated arrangement like the Hamburg design rail car. The single axle articulated arrangement on the Senator was very similar to the Talgo design. The entire train had seven cars, including the end cars. The model in H0 will come as a four-car set and a 3-car add-on set to bring it up to prototypical length. I wasn't confirming or denying the Senator as the next Insider, just trying to correct the mistaken impression that it was another TEE train. The Senator predates the TEE network and trains by about 4 years and actually provided the German Federal Railroad with information and experience leading to the development of the VT 11.5 TEE, i.e. a design with normal trucks or bogies under the bodies and not in an articulated arrangement between the cars. Regards, Jeff Stimson Märklin, Inc.
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steventrain		#45 Posted : 06 December 2007 18:51:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Thanks for see the picture of BR103, Lutz.
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David Dewar		#46 Posted : 06 December 2007 21:06:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,352 Location: Scotland		Jeff. As a matter of interest are you a Marklin employee. If so I am sure your input here will be very welcome. David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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john black		#47 Posted : 06 December 2007 21:47:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		David - Jeff is with M-USA. Introduced himself openly when entering the forum two years back
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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David Dewar		#48 Posted : 07 December 2007 00:45:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,352 Location: Scotland		ooops. Aplogies Jeff. Old age is creaping on. Thanks for info John. David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Caplin		#49 Posted : 07 December 2007 00:58:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />David - Jeff is with M-USA. Introduced himself openly when entering the forum two years back According to his profile he was only 13 then
		Regards, Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL
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john black		#50 Posted : 07 December 2007 01:00:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		You know, Benny - younger managers are way cheaper
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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