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MarioFabro		#1 Posted : 15 May 2007 23:27:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		I recall when this model came out that there were reports that the two side hoods were difficult to open. Not that you need to do that often but one may want to clean and lubricate also those parts. When I got mine I tried but soon I gave up, since I did not really need to open them. As anyone had this problem? How was it solved without damaging the locomotive (prying it open with a screwdriver??)? Any idea if the newer models still have this issue (I bought mine as soon as it came out). I now have on oder the 39562 "brown" one with C-sine motor. Hope they fixed this issue by now. Mario
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Bigdaddynz		#2 Posted : 15 May 2007 23:40:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Joy upon joy..... Someone else has finally admitted to having the same problem as me, which was discussed in this thread: - https://www.marklin-user...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=5509 and there may have been other threads too. I can get the back cover off my 39560, no problems, but the front cover does not want to budge. I'm afraid I haven't solved this one yet. Nikos (Alonso), do you have any suggestions, since you own some of these models?
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intruder		#3 Posted : 15 May 2007 23:45:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Hi Mario You will find "hooks" between the jackshaft and the center drive shaft (yellow arrows), a part of the "cover" around the blind shaft. These may be bent inwords with a small screwdriver. Lift the rear end of the front hood and slide it forwards from the front hook (red arrows). This may also be done by carefully lifting the rear hood end up by hand.
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Bart		#4 Posted : 16 May 2007 00:21:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/05/2002(UTC) Posts: 676		Thanks Svein, for excellent instructions. Just for future cross-reference, these were the previous topics on this issue: https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...fault.aspx?g=posts&t=162 https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=4797 https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=5509 Edited by moderator 22 September 2016 14:35:20(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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john black		#5 Posted : 16 May 2007 00:21:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Releasing her hood latches is a bit iffy. Out of view but not the most ingenious solution [xx(]
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Bigdaddynz		#6 Posted : 16 May 2007 02:09:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Thanks guys. However, I've been pressing those lugs till I'm blue in the face, but still the cover will not budge. I'm reluctant to force it with a screwdriver in case something breaks. Thanks for the links Bart, I'll have a read of those later on (at work at the moment with lots of meetings scheduled today [xx(][xx(] ).
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intruder		#7 Posted : 16 May 2007 02:26:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Closer details: To open the hood I push up with my index fingers while pushing down with my thumbs. Be careful, when it "loosing it's grip", it might disengage the lugs very quicly, and the hood ends up on the floor. Once I have excperienced that a lug broke off.
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laalves		#8 Posted : 16 May 2007 03:32:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		I also have a 39560, and I would consider myself a "experienced repairman" due to having digitized/repaired about 150 loks for my dealer. I have NEVER managed to remove the front hood (the one with the c-sine motor inside [Edit: the one with the decoder inside]) of my own 39560, and let me tell you I did try extremely hard, employing all my tooling, lots of time and my experience in opening very hard to open loks from a lot manufacturers. This is the one single lok I never managed to open. Not only that, but I'm not even able to make the cover mover by the minutest fraction of a mm. In fact, I would say it is glued, soldered or bolted... Maybe of notice is the fact I bought mine imediately after it was released, 2001 or 2002, can't remember, which may mean it's an early version. Luís
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Bigdaddynz		#9 Posted : 16 May 2007 04:04:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by laalves <br />This is the one single lok I never managed to open. Not only that, but I'm not even able to make the cover mover by the minutest fraction of a mm. In fact, I would say it is glued, soldered or bolted... Luís Hi Luis, this is exactly my experience, and yes, I was wondering whether the cover had been glued, as it doesn't even look like moving. I purchased my 39560 from a dealer who was selling on behalf, so I wondered whether the previous owner had glued the cover. Luis, if you as a dealer cannot open the cover, then there ain't much hope for the rest of us. I can get the rear cover off, which is the motor cover, but I can't get the front cover off, which covers the decoder.
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Rob		#10 Posted : 16 May 2007 14:31:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: ,		I remember this was a problem also with the first C-sinus crocs. It had to do with installing the hood before taking enough time to let the paint dry. Back then I had Mine send back to M*, where they loosened the hood. regards, Rob
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MarioFabro		#11 Posted : 16 May 2007 15:43:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		Thanks for all the excellent answers. Tonight I will use all this aquired knowledge to see if I can open my crocodile. Mario
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MarioFabro		#12 Posted : 17 May 2007 03:38:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		EUREKA!!! I got it open! As stated, one of the hoods is more difficult than the other and it's the one that is more important since it covers the decoder. Here is a pic of the crok on the operating table and here is a detail of the "secret" compartment
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Bigdaddynz		#13 Posted : 17 May 2007 07:13:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		So Mario, how did you manage to get the cover off, and was it difficult? Now that I know that you have succeeded, I'll have to have another try on my 39560.
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intruder		#14 Posted : 17 May 2007 10:00:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Good, Mario. Will it be just as difficult the second time? My excperience is that it is easier. Maybe the lugs get "rounded off". I cannot see any traces of sticking paint or some sort of glue in my locos.
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nevw		#15 Posted : 17 May 2007 10:09:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Intruder, Must have been the dreaded Duty Free Japanese Whiskey that gave you the strength of a 100 Super heros. N
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Bigdaddynz		#16 Posted : 17 May 2007 13:19:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Yeehar, I've got my cover off as well. I tried Svein's method, but to no avail. However, a flat blade screwdriver inserted into the gap just after the articulated join above the 2nd wheel(see Mario's picture), and wiggled around a bit, and hey presto the cover popped off. Can't see any evidence of the cover being put on when the paint was wet, but who knows. Thanks guys for your helpful hints, what a great forum this is. Take your right hand and put it over your left shoulder, and pat yourselves on your backs...
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Bigdaddynz		#17 Posted : 17 May 2007 13:37:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Putting the covers back on the lok, it seems that the front cover needs a harder push down on it to get it to click onto the lugs than the rear cover. This applies regardless of which actual cover you use - i.e. if you put the rear cover on the front, it still needs to be pushed down quite hard to get it to seat - at least on my sample of the 39560. And the other thing to watch out for is that the decoder is just sitting in it's mounting place - there is nothing holding it in place, so it will fall out if you turn the lok upside down..
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MarioFabro		#18 Posted : 17 May 2007 16:44:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		Yes, it seems that all these loks are exactely the same. I noticed the same when putting the covers back on. Also, it still seems hard to remove that specific cover over the decoder, also the second time around. I may "file" some material off but ... why? I did regulate my decoder (I like both potentiometers around 1/2 setting) and really do not need to access it again. 39562 (now on order) has a mfx decoder.. I wonder if the problems will be the same?
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intruder		#19 Posted : 18 May 2007 12:17:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:nevw Posted - 2007/05/17 : 08:09:42 Intruder, Must have been the dreaded Duty Free Japanese Whiskey that gave you the strength of a 100 Super heros. Not duty free, Nev. Bought in a normal store in Tokyo
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alonso231gery		#20 Posted : 21 May 2007 19:01:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz Nikos (Alonso), do you have any suggestions, since you own some of these models? Sorry David just saw your post[:I],well it seems that the problem is solved.
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Bigdaddynz		#21 Posted : 22 May 2007 13:21:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Thanks for responding anyway, Nikos. P.S. Your Prime Minister has just made a visit to us here in New Zealand, and he is now in Australia. When can we expect to see you here.....??
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nevw		#22 Posted : 22 May 2007 13:43:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Thanks for responding anyway, Nikos. P.S. Your Prime Minister has just made a visit to us here in New Zealand, and he is now in Australia. When can we expect to see you here.....?? AS soon as Adrian organises the Kidnapp travel [}:)]
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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alonso231gery		#23 Posted : 22 May 2007 22:43:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz P.S. Your Prime Minister has just made a visit to us here in New Zealand, and he is now in Australia. When can we expect to see you here.....?? Yes i just saw it on TV,i could see his surpise when natives welcomed him with their special greeting(penguine greeting or something like that),i saw your wooden canoes(these are the ones that bring the magazines to you) I will visit Australia and New Zealand some day,the only problem is that you are at the other side of earth[B)],but there are no limits for me. To my suprise i saw many people from Greece in New Zealand,so it is not only Dutch who are everywhere,it is Greeks as well.
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alonso231gery		#24 Posted : 22 May 2007 22:44:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Thanks for responding anyway, Nikos. P.S. Your Prime Minister has just made a visit to us here in New Zealand, and he is now in Australia. When can we expect to see you here.....?? AS soon as Adrian organises the Kidnapp travel [}:)]
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Guus		#25 Posted : 22 May 2007 23:04:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Mario,thanks for bringing up this topic. I've always steered clear of opening the hoods of my crocs.Both of them drive to my satisfaction. I'm sure the new 39562 croc will have an electronically adjustable decoder,so the hoods can stay in place. Kind regards Guus
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