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Offline Hemmerich  
#1 Posted : 09 May 2007 17:59:08(UTC)
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As promised and due to the fact that the previous thread has quite a bit been "infected" by discussions about other topics here is my update.

A. Hardware:

First of all I'd like to share with you a picture of the changed hardware as it will expose to users after their CS's have been upgraded.

UserPostedImage

It contains connectors for the first s88 decoder, 6015/6017 boosters and 6020/6021 control lines.

6017 boosters will continue to be manufactured and sold; they can easily be connected to the new "box"; thus the booster adapter #60129 is not needed there (if you have it already that's no problem either).

B. Software (changed/new functionality):

B.1. Startup and main screen

The startup and screen sequence is not any different from the current one, but once up and running the main screen and a number of other screens will look different. Due to confidentiality reasons and since the official release has not yet taken place I will not show them here yet, but will instead use the current screens for explanations as deemed suitable.

The keyboard screen will now be displayed separate from the (main) loco control screen; keyboard control areas have been expanded from 18 to 74; also with numerous new functions and symbols.

An extensive, context sensitive help facility has been added to the system and can be called up at any instance (indicated on the picture below by the red ?).

The main screen looks then approx. like this (more space for speed control than today and the possibility to display either speed steps or speed (max. speed can be defined) and some more indicators.

UserPostedImage

The previous lengthy messages indicating the absence of a mfx loco have simply been replaced by a specific mfx logo (similar to the one that is shown on the main screen when a new mfx loco registers - see also 3.3.1 of the handbook).

A new loco selection menu has been added (including a numeric keypad) which will show up to possible 10 locos matching the selection criteria (many customers apparently still set up the loco user name being the same as the MM loco address).

The bottom area field will still show the battery status, MS-Update icon and will contain new icons to easily switch between the loco and keyboard control screens.

B.2. Setup - general, network and access settings

The current latest CS versions before the update is 1.6.134 with a loaded loco database version 1.5 (the latest CS handbook version is 03/06).

UserPostedImage

The first CS version after the update will be 2.0.1. or above (depending upon further bux fixes if found). The loco database will be as current as of June 2007 and regularly updates will be made available for download as new models (w/o mfx decoders) features and bugfixes are released.
As well indicated on that screen will now be the CS serial# (i.e. its own mfx address, which is currently only labeled on the CS rear side).

A new item has been added which will allow to change and show the max. booster current (2.0/2.4/2.8A).

Spanish is planned to be included as language too(maybe not available with the update).

Network setting will include a field for the gateway IP and a masking field.

An additional entry field will be provided to enter a code for the locking of certain functions.

B.3. Components in the System

After the update, the following three new items will show up besides any possible MS entry:
- Sniffer (i.e. 6021 connection)
- s88 Control
- Booster Control (with a field to set and display the short circuit delay time)

UserPostedImage

B.4. setting up locos

The loco setting/modify screen has been expanded to include now the sniffer address (i.e. address under which the loco is controlled by the 602x/603x).

The decoder type field has been expanded by the following data formats: MM14, MM27, MM28 and fx14 a description of these data formats can also be found in the ECoS handbook (section 7.1.1.).

MM Loco addresses up to 256 are now allowed (sniffer will still be limited to 80, due to the 6020/6021 limitation).

UserPostedImage

Many loco type and function icons have been added, including for example the digital crane or a double traction; the mapping to the corresponding (limited) MS display is unchanged (i.e. steam-, diesel- or E-loco and those known hardcoded MS icons).

Numeric search of a loco from the database works now with all digits and makes any selection much easier and faster (i.e. "1" lists all locos starting with 1xxxx; "14" narrows it down to all locos starting with 14xxx, etc.)

Programming of a decoder has been expanded to allow bit representation of the selected CV's and finding the address of a particular loco (on the programming track).

Locos in multitraction are now indicated by a corresponding icon; when setting up locos in MT, their preferred driving direction can be set individually.

Sound adjustment of a steamer's cylinder "takt" has been added. As well added has been a braking icon and function; if pressed the loco will slow down to a stop and perform the break squealing (i.e. it is no longer required to turn the speed knob down with a certain speed). Slowing down to stop is performed according to the configured delay values for that loco).

Up to 8 independent pendular trains can be configured; their setup includes the selection of the affected loco(s), s88/s880 contacts, station pause duration, etc. Different from the HELMO analog system, pendular locos/trains will have their direction changed digitally (including all associated direction dependent functions).

Similar to locos in a MT, a specific loco symbol will be display for locos that are active in a pendular control setup.

B.5. keyboard settings

As mentioned above, a number of icons have been added here as well.

Switching of the three-way turnout works now correct (still requires the setup by only one decoder).

UserPostedImage

Trackway control menus have been added; a trackway setup works as follows (very simple):

- All items must have been set up (i.e. switches, double crossing, signals, etc.)
- The items on their keyboard control panels are set according to their position for the desired trackway.
- A new trackway is defined
- One item after the other is "added" to the trackway by simply clicking on each of the items; starting with the first to be switched until the last (usually the signal).

Similar to single keyboard items, all trackways can be defined also on multiple keyboard control areas.

Trackways can either be set by the uyer or via s88 contacts; the switching duration time can be set as well.

Changing the position of an item on the 6040 keyboard will show the change on the CS, but not the other way round (limitation of MM). .

B.6. PC connection

The Ethernet connection will/can be used to perform data backups (how much local editing will be possible is still under investigation) and CS updates/bug fixes. All neccessary steps/procedures will be included in the documentation that will be made available with the update.

PC train control via the Ethernet port is possible by programs that support this (i.e. Freiwald). The 6050/6051 interface can as well still be used by those programs support it (with all limitations of MM). Interface specifications have been provided to different PC program suppliers and first implementations can be expected to be offered pretty soon (for example Peterlin). Availability is dependent upon those suppliers.

I hope I got most of the important CS update related stuff from my visit to Märklin down here; if I find/recall any more I'll add them here.

It might be useful to take as well a look at the ECoS handbook; a number of new functions have similar descriptions there.

Enjoy looking forward to get your CS updated as well!






SmileSmileSmile
Offline DasBert33  
#2 Posted : 09 May 2007 18:16:06(UTC)
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Looks really nice.

From experience with my ecos (which is the same actually), with it's new pc support updates, I can say it is really worth it!

Bert
Offline Guus  
#3 Posted : 09 May 2007 18:25:23(UTC)
Guus

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Thank you Lutz for the very informative report on the new CS.

Looks really nice!

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline David Dewar  
#4 Posted : 09 May 2007 18:27:04(UTC)
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Hi Lutz. Many thanks for yout time in providing the above information. The update gives me more than I will need but no doubt will not satisfy all.
I hope a new booklet will be supplied giving clear instructions or you will probably spend the next year answering questions on the forum.
Only time will tell regarding reliability but hopefully this will be OK. For myself I will not update my present CS but will purchase a new mega start set in due course by which time others will have had the chance to test the new system.
Again thank you for your information.

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 09 May 2007 18:40:27(UTC)
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Sound interesting,Many thanks for the information.Smile
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Offline pa-pauls  
#6 Posted : 09 May 2007 19:11:02(UTC)
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Hi Lutz

Many thanks for very nice information !

Pål Paulsen
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Offline alonso231gery  
#7 Posted : 09 May 2007 19:11:08(UTC)
alonso231gery

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Hello Lutz
Some questions:
1)Will they give us a new manual?
2)Possible future updates will be for free?
3)Will they add new loco images?
4)I have a rotary crane but i it is not digital and i do not have its decoder,(how)will i be able to operate it with the cs?
5)New generation of solenoid accesories is expected?
An outsider.
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Offline steventrain  
#8 Posted : 09 May 2007 19:50:48(UTC)
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Will mfx locos working with 60212 and 6015/6017?
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline charles Sharpe  
#9 Posted : 09 May 2007 21:41:07(UTC)
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Hi lutz. Many thanks for the information about the CS upgrade.
CHARLES SHARPE
Offline Bart  
#10 Posted : 09 May 2007 22:21:16(UTC)
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Hi Lutz,
Herzlichen Dank!
Many thanks for your extensive report.
*Bart
Offline grnwtrs  
#11 Posted : 09 May 2007 23:09:18(UTC)
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Hi Lutz

Many thanks for the detailed update of the new cs. It is now sounding very interesting to me. I along with many many others have been waiting for this update.

Thanks again


Gene Harvey
on the left coast
Offline jannie  
#12 Posted : 09 May 2007 23:11:09(UTC)
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Lutz

Thanks for the news
SmileSmileSmile
Jannie
Offline clapcott  
#13 Posted : 10 May 2007 00:09:04(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
...... Interface specifications have been provided to different PC program suppliers .....

Can I get a copy too please.
Peter
Offline pat  
#14 Posted : 10 May 2007 01:43:07(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bart
<br />Hi Lutz,
Herzlichen Dank!
Many thanks for your extensive report.


Likewise very informativeSmile
worse things happen at sea
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#15 Posted : 10 May 2007 01:47:37(UTC)
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Thanks for the update Lutz. Sounds like the CS update will have been well worth the wait, and have functionality equivalent to, or beyond that of the Intellibox and the Ecos

Is there any word on the availability of MFX solenoid decoders, and the ability to connect a remote CS, or a remote controller of some sort? (apart from the MS)

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar
<br />The update gives me more than I will need but no doubt will not satisfy all.


No complaints here.....
Offline nevw  
#16 Posted : 10 May 2007 02:21:57(UTC)
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Thanks Lutz for a Very informative report.
THe upgrade is very extensive and for at least a year beyond my requiremetns.

Nev
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline bmcrae  
#17 Posted : 10 May 2007 02:23:01(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar
<br />......I will not update my present CS but will purchase a new mega start set in due course...........



I'm not a CS owner now (6021) but thinking the same as you David. Smile
Lutz, thanks for the detailed info regarding the updates. Smile
Offline laalves  
#18 Posted : 10 May 2007 03:26:46(UTC)
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Excellent! It's now at least as feature rich as the EcOS. I'm happy I bet on a CS, then!

Luís
Offline jonnymac  
#19 Posted : 10 May 2007 03:56:05(UTC)
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Lutz - thank you for this update. Very clear to me now that I will upgrade my 6021 to CS when a desirable mega set comes out. Marklin needs to be this clear and forthright about their plans.

Rgds,

Jonnymac
Offline mmervine  
#20 Posted : 10 May 2007 05:39:06(UTC)
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Lutz:

As ususal, you are a wealth of information. Thanks!!!

r/mark
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Offline nevw  
#21 Posted : 10 May 2007 12:39:54(UTC)
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3 cheers for Lutz and Mother M

Hip Hip ..................

Hip hip ....................
Hip Hip ......................
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#22 Posted : 10 May 2007 14:07:38(UTC)
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Hooray!!
Offline hxmiesa  
#23 Posted : 10 May 2007 14:38:42(UTC)
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Thank you for the detailed rundown! Very interessting!
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
Offline fvri  
#24 Posted : 10 May 2007 15:02:17(UTC)
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Hi Lutz,

Thanks for sharing us this data.

Still one question:

As you mentioned :
"Interface specifications have been provided to different PC program suppliers and first implementations can be expected to be offered pretty soon (for example Peterlin). Availability is dependent upon those suppliers."

When will the interface specifications be made available to the public not just to some software vendors? It seems Marklin as well as ESU are not eager to give it to everyone... I would like to support the ECOS as well as the CS in LocCommander but I don't get the specifications... What are the riscs of sharing this info with "non" professional software people... Just a commercial issue?

Thanks.

Br,
Frank
Offline DasBert33  
#25 Posted : 10 May 2007 15:05:38(UTC)
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ESU has put on their ecos support site (www.esu-support.eu) that the specs will be released before the end of this month (May). They are just working on a decent manual before they can release it.

You can bet the protocol will be exactly the same for CS as Ecos.

Bert
Offline fvri  
#26 Posted : 10 May 2007 15:21:40(UTC)
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Hi Bert,

Ok, that would be great... I don't want to be cynical but I hope that they can hold to this date once. My experience with ESU and especially with Herr Jürgen Lindner hasn't being so great so far. Another thing, ESU stated they will make it public soon, Marklin hasn't decided yet..., strange if both are so closely related to each other.

Thanks for the info Bert!

Frank
Offline DasBert33  
#27 Posted : 10 May 2007 16:11:57(UTC)
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Hello Frank,

I have more or less the same experience as you, although that is getting better it seems. They did release their latest firmware, and they are giving very good support on their forum. Even on sundays you can get replies from ESU employees on the forum, so they are working hard.
I have no doubt the update for CS will be a very good one, even if they have to delay it a few weeks (like is happening now).

Bert
Offline Hemmerich  
#28 Posted : 10 May 2007 17:37:10(UTC)
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I've reread my posting again and updated some of the text since I wasn't sure if it was clear enough to understand (its indicated blue).

To some of the questions arising here:

(David) - yes, there were and still are discussions about new mfx devices, but at this point in time its IMHO still too early to publish any "concrete stuff". It should be obviously clear that a wireless remote control (including features for switches) is high on the list (could be something similar to the ESU Mobile Control, for sure via RF opposed to Uhlenbrock's Infrared solution).

(Frank, Nev) - for any demand upon information about the PC interface protocol, you should contact the (two) vendors directly. It seems to be obvious that their priority is on those companies that have already a certain customer base in common with them. Please keep in mind that PC based train/accessory control data ("commands") is independent from the track data protocol (ie. mfx, etc.). Just watch out as mentioned the announced documentation from ESU. wink

Anyways - you'll find quite some similarities of the descriptions for the new CS features (not always exactly the same) in the ECoS handbook. Smile

Anything else would have been a surprise, won't it? biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
Offline Hemmerich  
#29 Posted : 10 May 2007 17:41:35(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />Hello Lutz
Some questions:
1)Will they give us a new manual?
2)Possible future updates will be for free?
3)Will they add new loco images?
4)I have a rotary crane but i it is not digital and i do not have its decoder,(how)will i be able to operate it with the cs?
5)New generation of solenoid accesories is expected?


Hi Nico,

1) for sure (as well for download)
2) Currently yes; at least with regards to loco database and bug fixes.
3) Yes (many!) Please see my posting.
4) The CS is a digital controller; so once you install a (MM/mfx) decoder which controls the crane functions it should work too.
5) See my previous response.
Offline BGK  
#30 Posted : 10 May 2007 19:03:41(UTC)
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A few weeks i opened a topic,when to buy a CS.
Well after this posting i decided to buy one.
I will get it from a dealer and will send it back within 6 months to get the update.
I made a very good deal,CS with package March 2007 update (no starterset) and transformator 60VA for 400 Euro's.
Yes i'm happy!!!!!!!!
Offline steventrain  
#31 Posted : 10 May 2007 22:50:17(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />Will mfx locos working with 60212 and 6015/6017?


Any comment?
[}:)]
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Offline Fredrik  
#32 Posted : 11 May 2007 01:42:14(UTC)
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Yes,

off course they'll work - they won't register in 6015/6017 area, though and appear as "no contact" in the screen of CS.
Fredrik.
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Offline Basil  
#33 Posted : 11 May 2007 14:58:28(UTC)
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Lutz thank you for sharing with us.
Basil
Offline steventrain  
#34 Posted : 11 May 2007 20:51:20(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by fredsaf
<br />Yes,

off course they'll work - they won't register in 6015/6017 area, though and appear as "no contact" in the screen of CS.


OK,thanks for your help.
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Offline Davy  
#35 Posted : 11 May 2007 22:26:53(UTC)
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Lutz thanks for the info.

M-track with a CS2.
Offline neal  
#36 Posted : 12 May 2007 01:44:35(UTC)
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Lutz,
After upgrading, will the CS be able to accept feedback from the s88 module to activate loco functions such as sound effects?
After activating the new braking icon to stop the train, how does one re-start it again?
Neal.
Offline intruder  
#37 Posted : 12 May 2007 16:26:18(UTC)
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Very interesting information.
I can't wait to upgrade my CS.

Thank you, Lutz!
Best regards Svein, Norway
grumpy old sod
Offline alonso231gery  
#38 Posted : 12 May 2007 18:01:06(UTC)
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When can we start sending them?
June?
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Offline nevw  
#39 Posted : 13 May 2007 04:45:14(UTC)
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June it is. If going through a dealer talk to him. If going direct to Marklin, I would post about 7 days before so that it arrives early, along with the 50000 who have the same idea.
Nev

NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
Offline Caplin  
#40 Posted : 14 May 2007 20:38:08(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />B.6. PC connection

The Ethernet connection will/can be used to perform data backups (how much local editing will be possible is still under investigation) and CS updates/bug fixes. All neccessary steps/procedures will be included in the documentation that will be made available with the update.


Hi Lutz,

First, thank you for a thorough description of the CS update. All the new actions, options, updates, bug fixes require a running CS naturally.

But what can be done if you "loose" the CS (not going ready - GO)confused From other topics we have seen that the code can be corrupted both with and without batteries installed. (reference topic: Digital/CS on strike).

Are there any solutions in that area or did I overlook something in your descriptionconfused

It would certainly be nice if you in addition to the internally backup also could take a bacup to an externally device (like an USB ram) and the start from that. [^]

Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline DasBert33  
#41 Posted : 14 May 2007 22:18:38(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Caplin
It would certainly be nice if you in addition to the internally backup also could take a bacup to an externally device (like an USB ram) and the start from that.


The backup is done to an external device; your pc. You go to the CS webpage with your browser where you can press a 'backup' button. Is then asks to save a file to your pc.

Restoring is similar, you press the restore config button, browse for the backup file on your pc, click ok. That's it!

If you must you can afterwards copy your backup to an USB stick or something...

Bert
Offline Caplin  
#42 Posted : 15 May 2007 01:57:32(UTC)
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Location: Denmark

I think my question was not quite accurate! What I really meant was a backup of the code (not the data) of the CS in case you should be so unlucky that you cannot get it up running any more, i.e. no normal access to it. Then it would be nice to have a way to reload the code so it would run again, then subsequently reload your data.

The advice given in other topics of performing a RESET of the CS in case of various problems requires a running CS. This issue is questioning what to do if the CS is not running any more. Does it have to go back to the dealer or even worse, back to Germany for reloading the code. Reloading of the code should really be available to the end user!
Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline diesel  
#43 Posted : 15 May 2007 02:37:32(UTC)
diesel

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Bert
With the back up of data to PC do you have to be connected to the internet.
My train room computor is a stand alone one not connected to the internet. This way I do not have to bother about virus software etc.
Does the CS webpage have a program that can be downloaded and then transferred to other PCs.
Alternatively could the back up be done via RR&Co when it hopefully can be used with the CS. Can you do it this way with Ecos now ?

Thanks
Diesel
Ecos 50200, Software 4.1.2 Marklin HO K track, EcosBoost, Traincontroller Gold V9.0,B2, All track power via EcosBoost Separate programing siding. Decoders- Lokpilot V2,Lokpilotv3, Lok V4, LoksoundV4, Loksound V5, Marklin MFX and Marklin Fx. Internet Exlporer 11.0, Win 7
Offline Caplin  
#44 Posted : 15 May 2007 03:26:47(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DasBert33
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The backup is done to an external device; your pc. You go to the CS webpage with your browser where you can press a 'backup' button. Is then asks to save a file to your pc.

Restoring is similar, you press the restore config button, browse for the backup file on your pc, click ok. That's it!

If you must you can afterwards copy your backup to an USB stick or something...

Bert


Sorry, can't locate the CS webpage anywhere. Is it an Insider option only confused
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Offline DasBert33  
#45 Posted : 15 May 2007 10:01:45(UTC)
DasBert33

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I mean a webpage on the CS device itself (not one on the internet). You have to enter the IP address of your CS in your browser.

Mind you, this option will only be available AFTER the update.

Bert
Offline DasBert33  
#46 Posted : 15 May 2007 10:08:10(UTC)
DasBert33

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by diesel
<br />Bert
With the back up of data to PC do you have to be connected to the internet.


No. You only need a network connection between your CS and a computer. A simple crossed cable is enough.

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My train room computor is a stand alone one not connected to the internet. This way I do not have to bother about virus software etc.
Does the CS webpage have a program that can be downloaded and then transferred to other PCs.
Alternatively could the back up be done via RR&Co when it hopefully can be used with the CS. Can you do it this way with Ecos now ?

Thanks
Diesel


Mine is also standalone (although it can also be connected through wifi). As sais the backup is just a binary file that you can copy to other pcs as much as you want.

I do not know of a backup option through rr&co. You can synchronize locs with ecos but not all properties are transferred so as a backup this isn't that usefull.

Bert
Offline NewComix  
#47 Posted : 15 May 2007 10:57:11(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
...... Interface specifications have been provided to different PC program suppliers .....

Can I get a copy too please.
Offline NewComix  
#48 Posted : 15 May 2007 11:02:11(UTC)
NewComix

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Hi Frank,

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by fvri
<br />Hi Lutz,

Thanks for sharing us this data.

Still one question:

As you mentioned :
"Interface specifications have been provided to different PC program suppliers and first implementations can be expected to be offered pretty soon (for example Peterlin). Availability is dependent upon those suppliers."

When will the interface specifications be made available to the public not just to some software vendors? It seems Marklin as well as ESU are not eager to give it to everyone... I would like to support the ECOS as well as the CS in LocCommander but I don't get the specifications... What are the riscs of sharing this info with "non" professional software people... Just a commercial issue?

Thanks.

Br,
Frank



I had a chat with Maerklin on the 'Dortmund' trade fair. They said that the spec will be available to everyone, not only to professional developers. You only need to contact Maerklin directly and ask for the spec. I hope this is not only a promise.

best regards
Jörg

Offline orubias  
#49 Posted : 15 May 2007 14:26:05(UTC)
orubias

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Thanx Lutz.

Next year I hope all the Premium M starter set will incorporate this new release of the CS, so, it´s time to start preparing budget for it. biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

Band on the run
Offline fvri  
#50 Posted : 15 May 2007 14:48:01(UTC)
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Hi Jörg,

Thanks for sharing this information! A lot has already being said about when/ what should be given to the public regarding the PC Interface specifications for rail road control. Probably, you have to contact the right person (in Marklin as well as in ESU) to get it. Likely, you have also to address them in German. Is there any one who knows a contact person who can share this information in Marklin or ESU?
But, I think I just need to be more patient until it is made public on their websites. Normally, ESU will(can) publish it at the end of the month. Enough time was given already to Freiwald(TrainController) and co to make something for their software. I just need to wait a few weeks more...

Best regards,
Frank
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