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Offline Nuno  
#1 Posted : 31 October 2005 20:36:38(UTC)
Nuno


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Hi everybody

In one part of my layout I have a terminal station and I want that the trains to reduce their speed as they enter it and finally to stop. Everything in my layout is digital, but I'm not using a computer. What do you recommend? Do you think that to use one or maybe two 32V transformers is appropriate? Otherwise I would have to buy a lot of deacceleration modules... Or is there a better alternative? I saw Viessmann has a resistor module, but they say is not good for digital (which is logical, I think, but sometimes there are tricks...wink)

Cheers,

Nuno Smile
Offline sunset  
#2 Posted : 31 October 2005 22:54:01(UTC)
sunset


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Hi Nuno,

there is a modul at tams (www.tams-online.de) zo reduce the speed of all locos at a separate track, e.g. a fiddle yard.

I think, its the item you are looking for. It costs about 50 EUR. I've bought one, but not installed yet.


Frank
Offline Tony  
#3 Posted : 01 November 2005 08:41:58(UTC)
Tony

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Hi Nuno

There was an interesting thread on this earlier in the year:

https://www.marklin-user...earchTerms=reduced,speed

I am also looking for a half/reduced speed "black box", my attempts with diodes and Zener diodes were not that great and somehow the mfx locos get a bit confused confused and break out in a super jerk mode [:0] while in the reduced speed section. So I just use a resistor for now which is also not very statisfactory.[V]
Regards Tony
Offline Lars Westerlind  
#4 Posted : 01 November 2005 09:05:30(UTC)
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This is the kind of thing where IR recognition like Uhlenbrock Lissy is very appropriate. But it needs some investment before it works, no doubt. Resistors and things like that (lovering voltage) affect differect locos very differently; some slow down siginficantly, some don't. Speed regulation work against this, current consumtion is different etc.

/Lars
Offline Mikael  
#5 Posted : 01 November 2005 10:45:38(UTC)
Mikael

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I was the one starting the earlier thread (wow, was it really all the way back in february?). I have since had to move, and therefore haven't got the time to get on with this project. I have started to look a bit at it again, but there is quite some way to go before I have a working prototype.

But after looking at the module at Tams, I'm not sure I will continue my project. The Tams one seem to do more or less exactly what I wanted to achieve. It is somewhat larger than I would have imagined was needed, but I don't think that matters much.
Offline Timaximus  
#6 Posted : 01 November 2005 11:23:10(UTC)
Timaximus

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Yes the LISSY system is working just fine.
It let the trains run with reduced speeds when they enter the station area.
It let the trains stop at almost the same location.


Already 30% of the layout is protected by the LISSY system (Receivers).
But besides the LISSY receivers you also NEED to place LISSY transmitters under EACH LOCO.[8)]

And because I did not win the lottery yet, I need to introduce a period of saving some euro's from time to time.wink

But I'm glad that I decide to use it.
It is a wonderful piece of digital equipment.Smile
Märklin | HO | C+K Track | Digital | I+II+III+IV+V | Power and control by Uhlenbrock | Win-Digipet
Offline Nuno  
#7 Posted : 02 November 2005 12:34:55(UTC)
Nuno


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Hello again

Thank you all for your suggestions.

Cheers,

Nuno Smile

Offline jeehring  
#8 Posted : 02 November 2005 15:19:20(UTC)
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Told me that Marklin Brake module 72441 can work for several machines in a same area....till 4 Locomotives .
( But I didn't try yet....I have no concrete experience of it )
Offline kgsjoqvist  
#9 Posted : 02 November 2005 17:38:03(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by sunset
<br />Hi Nuno,

there is a modul at tams (www.tams-online.de) zo reduce the speed of all locos at a separate track, e.g. a fiddle yard.

I think, its the item you are looking for. It costs about 50 EUR. I've bought one, but not installed yet.


Frank


This seems like a very good choice. It doesn't change the voltage of the track, but only modifies the signal sent to the track. It has a more advanced version that replaces the Märklin 72441 signal module. Just one problem with it: If you stop on the border between sections there will be a potentially dangerous shortcut!
K-G / H0 and Z model train user
Offline Nuno  
#10 Posted : 02 November 2005 20:22:47(UTC)
Nuno


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Hi

The item in www.tams-online.de seems indeed very interesting.

About the 72441,
______________________________________________________________
Told me that Marklin Brake module 72441 can work for several machines in a same area....till 4 Locomotives .
( But I didn't try yet....I have no concrete experience of it )
_______________________________________________________________

If it works for each locomotive at a time why should it be limited to 4?

Cheers,

Nuno Smile

Offline jte  
#11 Posted : 02 November 2005 22:11:16(UTC)
jte


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Hi all,

I have been following already some time this great forum, and it's time to join the gang.

But to the subject:

The Tams-breaking module is even better as it first looks:

1. There is no danger for shortcuts, as the module detects the shorts and quickly cuts of the own signal if needed.
2. It works with every (Motorola-)decoder. As said before, it modifies the speed step to 4, when braking starts, and at the stopping point (e.g. contact track) the speed is set to zero.
3. All locos/trains stop at the same point (depending how to stop impulse is created, circuit-/contact track)

One negative feature is that one have to reset the module (push button) when a train runs by to opposite direction.

Only one loco can brake at a time because of the one single stopping point.

With the M* 72441 module the braking distance depends of decoder settings and incoming speed, so every loco stops in different points, and locos with unregulated decoders stop usually right at start of the braking section.

Best regards from Finland,

Juha Telimaa

PS: visit my MRR-web-site:
http://www.dlc.fi/~jte/english/TrainsFrameSet.html
Offline oz_train  
#12 Posted : 02 November 2005 22:40:21(UTC)
oz_train

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Hi Juha,
thanks for the information, and of course welcome to this great forum!
regards,
John
Offline Lars Westerlind  
#13 Posted : 03 November 2005 08:43:10(UTC)
Lars Westerlind


Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC)
Posts: 2,379
Location: Lindome, Sweden
Yes,
Tams indeed seems to make interesting items for a person like me. Thank's for the hints!

However, it's a pity that this brake signal doesn't mix in a DCC brake signal as well. AFAIK it's very easy to do in DCC, as there exists a broadcast address. So for the time beeing, I'll stick to my solution, using DC brake signal, and relays to switch it in, for those locos that don't have Lissy senders. It doesn't give the slow down possibility, but works ok anyway.

/Lars
Offline Tony  
#14 Posted : 03 November 2005 20:59:28(UTC)
Tony

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Hey Juha
Welcome to the forum
Regards Tony
Offline john black  
#15 Posted : 04 November 2005 00:04:40(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jte
<br />I have been following already some time this great forum, and it's time to join the gang

Hi Juha,

congratulations: beautyful & well documented k-layout - it's nice you didn't forget about the kids SmileSmileSmile
I also like your scratch-built Finnish engines [:p]

Welcome to The Forum,
John
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Offline laalves  
#16 Posted : 04 November 2005 00:35:14(UTC)
laalves


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Welcome to the forum, jte and congratulations for the excellent modelling work.

Your landscaping abilities are absolutely great.

BTW, I also have to convert or scratchbuilt Portuguese models... for pretty much the same reason as yours!

Luis
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