http://cgi.ebay.com/Trix...1c13d16b99#ht_633wt_1139

It seems that the DC model of the SBB Cargo Ae 610 (Ae 6/6) is already available from at least one eBay dealer.

On first examination of the photo, the paintwork seems to leave a little to be desired. The blue painted side seems not to extend all the way to the roofline, leaving a small strip of red at the top.

In another auction, the modified handrails on the lok face can be seen, including the new separately applied wipers
http://cgi.ebay.de/TRIX-...5adaa0b222#ht_2134wt_913

The strip of red paint is less visible on this and on the photos for the other listing found on eBay.de

I was really looking forward to this model, as I like the Maerklin model better than the Hag or Roco models. I certainly hope that the paint overlap is not as evident on the model that is sent to me.

Regards

Mike C

Well good luck Mike - I hope you can find something that meets your standards.

Eric

Here is a close up photo posted on the website for Swiss dealer Bahnorama (Bern): http://www.bahnorama.ch/...orcabb7lam4apii03deouqp5

If the link does not work, try: http://www.bahnorama.ch/...nfo.php?products_id=6361 and click on the thumbnail of the lok.

On a positive note: It looks like Maerklin has got the gray colour of the pantographs right on this model. I will be considering ordering a set or two to install on my 39361 and perhaps my 39421 as well. I also just located one eBay seller (Schreibwaren Hermann) http://ebay.hhost.de/showpicture.php?id=227751 where the photo appears to show a model with a better rendition of the dividing line between the blue and gray roof sections where there appears to be no red visible.

Regards,

Mike C

The issue in this model is the way in which the multiple paint layers (Colours) were applied to the locomotive shell. The model has blue, red and gray sections. On top of that, the Cargo logo and other details are printed on the shell in white. The model reportedly has a removable roof. I do not know whether the model is painted with the roof on or whether each part is separately painted and then attached to each other. Assuming that the parts are separately painted before being joined, the main shell would have a "lip" that would extend under the roof piece. There is thus no reason for the blue painted section to be cut off before reaching the top of the shell. It would then be impossible to have a red strip between the blue section and the gray roof.
This is another example of an issue that could have been avoided with a few minutes extra preparation or work during production.
There are some people who think that any Maerklin model is perfect just because it is a Maerklin model. Others, myself included, would prefer to see the best possible Maerklin model and would like to see the extra effort taken to provide the proper finishing of this and other models.
I think that as the Maerklin model has not yet been officially released, those who are concerned should contact Maerklin and request that this issue be rectified before the model goes to delivery. Hopefully, if enough modellers communicate their dissatisfaction to the company, they will correct the model and we will get our models without this problem, even if it means that the model is delayed a week or two.

Regards

Mike C

1) The paint job on the Trix 22775 is noticeably inferior to that of the earlier 37363 model (as well as to the 37345/29481 and equally to this year's 37321. None of those models has had an issue with the blue paint being offset and not fully extending to the roof line.

2) I have four of the Ae 6/6 models. I have never had need to open them up to date, so I have not had the chance to inspect the interior closely.

3) What extra tooling would be required to properly paint the different sections as required?

4) This would not be the first time that Maerklin has corrected the work done on a model before a product is officially released. You would never hear BMW or Mercedes explaining that customers had to accept a flawed model because that it the way it came out of the factory. If they made a mistake, they have an obligation to repair or replace the affected parts or accept the return of the goods involved against refund or credit. Your logic here baffles me. If Maerklin made the lok purple and orange, it would still be perfect to you, but it wouldn't be a SBB Cargo lok or even quasi prototypical to the rest of us.

You spend more time attacking us for noticing a flaw than it would take for all of us to contact Maerklin and ask them to improve their quality control and fix this mistake.

Respectfully yours,

Mike C

I find the way debates are going here slightly amusing. But on the issue: I really can't see that much wrong with this one.
But perhaps my eyesight is finally failing....
Best regards to all, including those currently in the red and blue corners.
Please keep enjoying our hobby....

Hans

Wrong!



That statement clearly indicates that you don't even have this wonderful model (no "worries" - I do have all Ae6/6 newly designed model versions produced by Märklin since 1992 and thus really know what I'm talking about ).



Again wrong! (the blue paint printing ends right at the roof "edge").



I don't know what you claim to have seen, but not only on all Ae610 "Erstfeld" models, even ALL red and green Ae 6/6 models (including those I have myself) the body primary livery (green or red) cover the whole roof base including the indent you refer to. Besides, none of those indents on any prototype are painted blue.



As I wrote now several times before, it's no different and nothing new from any previous produced green or red Ae 6/6 since 1992.



Everyone taking a brief look from top onto the roof of the two models will recognize the relevant difference regarding the discussion here.



There is even no need to open the model(s). Even though the above list only indicates models with green livery (what's then your model #4? ), the way how Märklin has painted that part of the body is as well very apparent there.



Never stated or demanded this.



Like making incorrect statements about models and prototypes w/o really knowing them.



I think it's well published that the Märklin warehouse is closed/locked due to relocation right now.



Wrong! The blue paint has been applied exactly in the same way and at the same location as it was done for the previous Ae610 model #37363.



How funny! (or maybe even "naive"). It's obvious from the angle that this (and any other alike) picture, including those referred below, was taken such that the red (or green) visible roof part of the body shell can barely ever be seen!!! Doing pictures like this would never show anything for every Ae 6/6 - want some´more?



Again and still deadly wrong. What you call a "flaw" was evident and clearly visible on every Ae 6/6 since 1992, in particular at the predecessor of this new model, the Ae610 "Erstfeld" #37363. It's the people's own problem if they fail to look "adequately" (from a nitpicker perspective) at their models.



wonder what/how they will respond ("we appreciate your feedback"). No problem for me, but IMHO those nit... wanting this detail changed urgently only now could have both seen and requested it already up to 20 years ago, but latest at their first Ae 6/6 purchase.



As said, the earliest opportunity "to get out of the bed" was already nearly 20 years ago.



Looks like you're the one completely missing the reality. The blue doesn't and shouldn't extend onto the roof, neither for the model nor for the prototype (I made this already clear in my previous response; and furthermore I do also know the Ae610 in "top view"). If anything would make sense to be requested from Märklin for future Ae 6/6 versions, it would be an extra painting of the whole body's visible roof area (including the indent) in the the same livery as the separately attached roof (so far either silver or dark grey). I pointed out already that this requires additional tooling and substantial extra resources - which you also refused to admit.



Surely that could never have been an original Märklin Ae 6/6 "Erstfeld". Would be really interesting to see a top view picture also of this model.

Your postings so far indicate that your only "knowledge" about both the Ae 6/6 prototype and Märklin models seems to be based upon some ... well, questionable pictures from other people/sources; which to me is no adequate basis.

The only thing being correct is what I stated - that both the green or red body livery including the roof section under discussion was and still is present and clearly visible for all Märklin Ae 6/6's and 610's so far. IMHO it never really disturbed many customers; otherwise a change would have been demanded/implemented already years ago.

Conducting this change/enhancement is yet another matter with different options. Demanding only now that Märklin "quickly" changes thousands of models that are already "production done" doesn't appear very realistic. However, those who think they can still get it changed now might try - good luck!

If you want to discuss the model, whether it be the 37363 or the coming 37360, please feel free. If you want to continue to post nonsense, please keep it to yourself or post it somewhere else.

Looks like we have a posting webmaster, who can decide what and where we can write.

I thought it was up to moderators and the webmaster himself to decide what is allowed regarding postings are concerned.
I'm glad we only have 1 judicator on this forum who can tell the difference between wrong and right.
reading it, turns me blue, red and grey,

John

I don't think Lutz realizes that his "activities" here actually damages Marklin's reputation as opposed to the other way around.

If you're having a bad day with Marklin and feel like posting your disappointment here,
there is no better cure than to be told to suck it up because Marklin is so perfect,
and it's wrong for you to question their wisdom..

Dave,

The model has blue and red painted sections. Due to the painting process, one of the two colours must be applied first (base colour) and the other colour painted on top of it. The manner in which it was painted by MaTrix has resulted in the red base colour being visible at the very top of the blue painted section. The design of this particular locomotive has a slightly smaller roof piece attached to the main locomotive shell. This leaves a little part (a lip) of the shell visible from the top. Because the top of the main shell was painted red (the base colour), this is visible above the blue part, which is not prototypical.

Maerklin could have simply avoided this issue by extending the blue painted section to cover the corresponding top part of the lok shell as well. This would have covered up the red stripe and would have brought the blue directly into contact with the separate gray roof piece. The red stripe between the blue and the roof is noticeable and detracts from the intended appearance and this has gotten the attention of members of this forum as well as on the Swiss Hag Forum. It seems that people who model Swiss trains are upset that the lok is not prototypical. I was looking forward to this model because it appeared to be a better rendition that the similar Roco and Hag models, but this paint issue takes away all the advantages that this model may have had. The Roco model has the incorrect Swiss Crest* on the lok faces and has a silver painted area on the roof. The Hag loks have had issues with lighting shining through the motor bogie opening. As I already have several Maerklin Ae 6/6 loks, I was looking forward to the matching model. The earlier 37363 Erstfeld anniversary model had a few incorrect details (canton/city badge outline, incorrect wipers/railings) that have all been resolved on the new model, thus my interest and disappointment.

Imagine a TEE Lok that is supposed to be red and beige. Now imagine that there is a red stripe at the top of the beige section because the beige does not extend all the way to the roof. That would not look good next to the TEE coaches or compared to another similar lok without that flaw. This SBB Cargo model does not fit alongside my other similar models as this flaw stands out like a sore thumb.
If I was collecting Maerklin just to collect Maerklin, I would not care, but as my interest is in collecting and modelling SBB before I am collecting Maerklin, the lok is wrong because it simply is not correct for a SBB Cargo lok.

I hope that you understand what I am discussing and why I brought it to the attention of this forum.

Regards

Mike C

* The Roco model has the larger chrome Swiss crest that was applied to the "Canton" Loks 11401 - 11425 that was used alongside the chrome stripes that made these locomotives so striking. The remaining loks (the "City" loks) had no chrome stripes and had a smaller chrome base for the Swiss crest on the front. Incidentally, Maerklin's "Canton" Loks (3636/3638/37362/29680/etc) have the incorrect Swiss Crest as Maerklin's models all have the smaller version. Maerklin did feature the larger crest on the earlier 3050 model, which was in the Maerklin assortment for years until it was replaced by the newer exact scale version.

Hi Mike. Thanks for your reply and I think I now understand your view. I expect Marklin produce this loco without realising that some customers do like to have their model as perfect as possible which is a pity as I presume it would not take much to get the paintwork done properly.
As I do not have the knowledge you have i would probably have bought the model not knowing there was a problem with it.
One of the points I was making was that yourself and Lutz do not agree and many of us do not know who is correct but when it comes to Swiss prototype you appear to be the man with most knowledge and perhaps Marklin would do well to listen.

dave

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