My new EP5 (37525) is on it's way. I gather this was a passenger engine, in use in these colours around the late '20s. What would be acceptable coaches to run behind it?



I am mainly interested in Marklin coaches so, although it is interesting to see what is offered by other manufacturers, I will stick with the options that I know will work without problems.

The options I can see at the moment are the 4135 type like these but in DRG colours:



or the type which came in the 2660 set, though they are difficult to find seperately and tend to be very expensive:



Can anybody suggest alternatives?

You could use any Bavarian or DRG standard design coaches from that Era (II). The Era II Hecht coach set from last year would go well also. Roco also has an exquisite variety of Era II coaches.

I hope that one fine day Märklin will pay due homage to this locomotive and reissue it with metal body and state-of-the art details and functions. I will purchase it then.

Thanks David and Armando. I have had a look at Brawa and Roco, and also Liliput and others, and there is a wide range of Era II coaches available. My preference is for Marklin as then I know I won't have any issues with R1 curves, buffer height, couplings, wheel standards. etc.

At the moment I'm looking at 4136/4137/4143 coaches from the '70s and '80s. There are plenty around on ebay at good prices. If there are equivalent coaches out there with close couplers I would prefer those.

Nice E-lok Ray.
I think the 41** coaches will look fantastic behind it.

This is a really nice locomotive Ray !

I'll have the green version, era 3, but I miss sound for it... Wish ESU would make a sound project

I have those cars. They came in a set with an E04, nr 2850. I paid 73 euro for the set with the loco.

Honestly I don't really like the cars. They have very simple printing and the base color is just not correct for DRG era cars. (I think is is more a DB era color) The cars from the 2860 set (which I have too since recently, paid 130 euros) are really much nicer.

I replaced the original couplers of the cars with close couplers but now they have a tendancy to derail. I havent found the exact cause yet.

My brown Ep5 (from the 2860 set) looks really good with schurzenwagen cars from the Berlin-Hamburg set, although that is not very prototypical. I think I would go for the 42751 set if I was in your case, it is a little bit more expensive, but so much better (color, printing, short couplings) IMHO, and they are easy to get. I plan to buy one of those myself in the near future.

Bert

There's also the 43973 set of 6 wheelers:

Thanks for your input, Bert.

I'd forgotten about the langenschwalbacher coaches. I have the 26555 set which brings 4 of them in the early Era III colours without the DB cookie. At a glance they will pass for Era II. For now I'll try running the EP5 with these and see how it looks.



I'll think about what it's final train will be after I try it out with different types of coach.

The Pike cars (Hechtwagon) are express cars and as such don't think they'd be correct for the E52 (heavy passenger loco).
Same goes for the 42751 set.

The DB E52 in the 37525 would go well with the era3a rebuild cars 43172, 43182, 43192 as well as the compartment cars 43100/43110/43119

Thanks!

I can't read dutch, but the coaches in the pictures would also look good with the EP5.

Hi Ray,
How do the 26555 coaches look?
Excellent articles with pics, Tom
regards
kimmball

Hello Ray, your question about the coaches got me thinking, as I was also considering whcih coaches to order for the trix BR23...I was thinking to get some special short wheel base coaches but in the the end I got the umbauwagens...These are recommended also by Marklin....Do you think it was the right choice??

By the way the loco you have selected is delightful and I am also considering to get it later. It will be released as a double pack along with a green one in Trix format.

I think the forum is one of the best places to find info about loco/coach matching, because there are many train-modellers here who are in the know. Of course no-one is 100% correct, because historically wagons had to be pulled sometimes by other locos due to a variety of practical reasons....In fact, Ray and others recommended the proper type of coaches to go with my V300...

In most cases however, maerklin has the correct types of coaches (usually in a display) and in the loco info, a suggestion is usually given as to which coaches to match. In the case of freight wagons, there is a lot more flexibility due to the nature of freight operations...

What is sometimes problematic for people with less funds or less space is sometimes a 20-wagon display that cannot be bought...Luckily some dealers do sell parts from displays...I particularly enjoy selecting individual coaches and cars from dealers for purchase, especially older display cars that are no longer available at maerklin.

It really depends on the individual's adherence to reality and historical reality...Some are creating accuracy some are more casual...I belong to the later category.

For example, I have some US stuff and also stuff from Germany, Switzerland, Belgium the Netherlands and France...The european stuff can be mixed but the US stuff are separate, but I have them running together (as separate trains of course)

My dream in the future is to have a US layout and a European layout.

So, getting back to the point, if Ray is happy with his selection of coaches and he has researched about it, and quite a few fellow modellers agree to its historical accuracy, then the choice is probably right.

In the case of my BR23 I took Maerklin's suggestion that the 'umbauwagens go well with this locomotive'.

Thanks Florian.

I'm more confused than ever now!

I'm going to use my EP5 with my existing coaches for now, but if I see any Era II coaches which fit the bill at a good price I will buy them.

Don’t be confused, Ray (although all these numbers really can be confusing). Actually, many different cars fit with the EP5. I’m sure you will find some of the cars which have been recommended by the forum members for a good price.

Regards,
Florian

Ray, I finally decided on Marklin #42229: Reisezugwagen-Set HAPAG-Sonderzug. I am very loyal to Marklin & only have their products on my layout.I think it is a nice set & that is what I will have behind my EP5. It may not be correct Era but I rather fancy the set. I got them for EUR 99.00 from a German dealer.

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You can find these sets easily for 99 euros !!! Not bad for 4 cars if you ask me.

Bert

Hello Ray,
The dealer I got it from in Cologne @ EUR99.00 was happy to post it to Australia even though only European Union was mentioned. I did not get it vat free but he did not charge me the % that Paypal charge him. I guess maybe he took it out of the Vat charge. Either way I was happy with the deal. He even sent me a picture of the parcel prior to postage with close up of address & a very reasonable postage rate as well. That is good service in my opinion.

Hello Ray,

I also got the TEE Bavarian coach set of three carriages #43859 @ EUR89.99 & together posted the grand total came to EUR212.00. I think we got the last of both sets. But happy as Larry with the deal.

Just came across this thread from Stummi forums:
http://translate.googleu...6zP3Hu2oG47SoQLisQyrQN6w

Suitable coaches were listed:


Bavarian Group Administration (locomotive body brown, cars are still on the railway of colors):

Trix: 23016 - 23018, 23469 - 23471, Trix: 23016-23018, 23469-23471,

Fleischmann: 509001, 509101, 509201, 509301 Fleischmann: 509 001, 509 101, 509 201, 509 301


DRG:

Märklin: 42762, 42763, 43311, 43313, 43315, Märklin: 42 762, 42 763, 43 311, 43 313, 43 315,

Trix: 23394, 23395 Trix: 23 394, 23 395

Roco: 45585, 45682 - 45687, Roco: 45 585, 45682-45687,

Fleischmann: 5090 - 5092, 5150 - 5152, 5155, 5156, 5158, 515301, 515302, 563601, 567620, 567703, 567706 Fleischmann: 5090 - 5092, 5150 - 5152, 5155, 5156, 5158, 515 301, 515 302, 563 601, 567 620, 567 703, 567 706

Liliput: ( Karwendelexpress ?, 334530 - 334532, 334550 ) Liliput: (Karwendel Express?, 334530-334532, 334 550)

Brawa: 45308 - 45310, 45205, 45206, 45209, 45210 - 45214, 45403, 45404, Brawa: 45308-45310, 45 205, 45 206, 45209, 45210-45214, 45 403, 45 404,