 Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 981 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm
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Does anyone know if M will replace booster 60173 when it not produced anymore like their product pages says  booster 60173 = 601XX ? |
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Hello Jonas, 60175 ? You mean 60173 I think... Maybe they must make a new version because they also make new switching power supplies instead of transformer's ?  |
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Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 981 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm
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yes sorry Pål, I meant 60173  |
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 Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,689 Location: United Kingdom
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jonas_sthlm wrote:Does anyone know if M will replace booster 60173 when it not produced anymore like their product pages says booster 60173 = 601XX ? It will replace with new 60174 but not on database yet, Maybe next fall new item 2010. |
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 Joined: 16/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 151 Location: The Netherlands
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Yes there will be a new booster 60174 only for the new dc power supply. I think there wil also come a new Central Station for the same reason. The booster wil be deliverable by september 2010.
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 Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534
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Hello,
there will not be any new Central Station.
With the new booster 60174 no ground insulation will be necessary anymore in a section like on the 60173 booster.
That's all the improvement.
the 60173 in stock at Märklin will be retrofitted. If this will be possible for customers we will see.
rgds
Stephan
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Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,689 Location: United Kingdom
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 Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA
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steventrain wrote:60174 now in stock. Thanks for the update. So the new booster works with the new 60061 power supply, which is 230V. Is there any news about a 120V version? |
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 Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand
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Probably a one size fits all, Thomas. Switchmode power supplies are usually multi voltage.
However, my 60061 says 230v on the rear, not 120-240v as you might expect, so perhaps not.
Can anyone confirm or deny?
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Joined: 09/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 498 Location: christchurch, canterbury
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on the details under the webshop it says only 230 volts available
to run the booster so there is no 120volt at this stage
and did you want a booster 60173 jonas as i think i have one in stock
from memory
regards
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Bigdaddynz wrote:Probably a one size fits all, Thomas. Switchmode power supplies are usually multi voltage.
However, my 60061 says 230v on the rear, not 120-240v as you might expect, so perhaps not.
Can anyone confirm or deny? David, you would think so as all laptop bricks are that way, however there are 2 separate postings on M* website that while 230v is cited, no mention of 120v. Any problem with using one of these with the new 60174 booster? https://www.marklin-user...aspx?g=posts&t=17077 |
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Bigdaddynz wrote:Probably a one size fits all, Thomas. Switchmode power supplies are usually multi voltage.
However, my 60061 says 230v on the rear, not 120-240v as you might expect, so perhaps not.
Can anyone confirm or deny? Indeed, a "switching" power supply refers to auto-switching input voltage 120VAC/230VAC. I can confirm that regardless of the print on the back of the 60061 power supply (indicating 230VAC), it correctly auto-switches to allow for 120VAC input, and properly outputs the correct DC voltage. BTW, this is also the same with the 66361 MS2 power supply sold in Germany, i.e. indicates "PRI" primary input voltage to be 230VAC, "SEC" or secondary output to be 18VDC - but auto-switches perfectly for input of 120VAC here in the US. Works like a charm, with a necessary AC plug adapter for US electrical outlet sockets. Btw, I'm assuming M* at present marks the 60061 & 66361 for European input of 230VAC only due to the physical German AC outlet plug - even though they are switching-voltage power supplies, per new EU regulations. Cheers Petra
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand
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Thanks for that info Petra.
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Hang on guys, a switching power supply does not imply auto switching input voltage. Switching PSUs are those that rely on on-off cycles of its pass transistor to regulate the output voltage, in contrast from linear PSUs that dissipate the excess voltage in a transformer.
The EU requirement for replacing linear PSU for switching ones is related to the much higher efficiency of the latter.
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Joined: 02/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 7 Location: Central Coast California
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New to this forum. Large analog collection, in the process of converting to digital. Does any one have any experience with the ESU EcoSBoost 4amp. Thinking of getting one rather than 60174. Does it work well? Does the 60214 CS register it and show it the way a 60173 or 60174 would show? Any problems etc? Thanks, this is a great forum. 
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Welcome to the forum, imaloft! I am glad you like the forum.
Cheers,
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Originally Posted by: imaloft  Does the 60214 CS register it and show it the way a 60173 or 60174 would show?
Any problems etc? Hi and welcome to this forum. According to www.esu.eu (as of October 2008) ECoS Boost cannot be used with CS2. Compatible wiring (CAN bus), but incompatible protocols. |
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 Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD
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Thanks for the Answer Tom,
I have been going to ask that question for a while. NOw answered.
Great Service.
Nev |
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 Joined: 11/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Italy
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Hello to everybody New to this forum too.... Has somebody heard (or somebody knows) about problems with the bussystem???? I have this "giant" problem: when I connect the boosters with terminal 60125, the CS2 is not able to recognize the locos... and anything works... The problem is that I have 3 tracks and in this way one of this is apart because I can connect only 1 booster directly to the CS2 Somebody can help me???? Or I have to sell all my train collection???? Thanks a lot Umberto De Joannon 
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Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD
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Welcome to the Forum Umberto,
What Booster are you using.
REmember the Section of track that the booster is powering MUST be isolated from the section of track that the CS2 or other boostr is controlling. Then the CS2 will control the locos.
3 tracks is not a problem. you can connect them all BUT each Booster MUST be connected to its own section of track.
There possibly be other reasons that I cannot think of but you will get answers here.
YOU will NOT have to sell your train collection.
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NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand
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Originally Posted by: H0 Compatible wiring (CAN bus), but incompatible protocols.
My wish for 2011? That ESU and Marklin sort their stuff out, and make everything compatible!  Pigs are more likely to fly though.....  There goes one now...... 
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand
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Info for the latest Digital Newsletter (1/2011) regarding 60174
"New 60174 Booster
This is a power/output booster for large digitally
controlled layouts. It can handle multiple protocols in
conjunction with the 60213/60214 Central Station. It
can be connected directly to the 60213/60214 Central
Station by means of a 9-conductor data bus line.
Several Boosters can be used in a system by means
of the 60125 Terminal. The Booster automatically
registers itself in the 60213/60214 Central Station. An
LED on the Booster indicates its operating status; this
status is also available graphically in the display on
the 60213/60214 Central Station. A maximum output
power of 58 VA and a maximum current of 3 amps is
available, when the Booster is used with the 60061
switched mode power pack (only 230 volt version
available). Dimensions 150 x 110 x 80 mm / 5-7/8" x
4-5/16" x 3-1/8".
The 60174 Booster is only designed for
operation in conjunction with the 60213/60214 Central Station.
only booster 60174 may have a common ground with 60214. For earlier boosters the ground must be
separated."
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Joined: 11/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Italy
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Thanks to all
I have one track led by CS2, 1 track led by booster 60173, 2 tracks that should be led by 2 booster 60174
All the tracks are separated (but brown wire is impossible to separate)
When I connect only one booster (60173/60174) directly to the CS2 all is working
When I connect the boosters to the CS2 with 60125 item all the system falls down
The CS2 doesn't recognize the locos and all is stopping
I don't know if the problem is due to my mistake or if it's a system problem
Certainly I'm not disappointed, either upset... I'm very angry.........!!!!
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Hi Umberto,
what is the software version of your CS2? Is it the latest, 1.4.0? I would try that, since both the 60174 and 1.4.0 came out more or less at the same time.
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Joined: 11/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Italy
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Hi alves
The CS2 version is 1.4.0
The 60174 version should be 3.75 but in my layout is 2.28 (Why??? maybe for un upgrade that I've done.. I've tried with a new upgrade but the booster version doesn't change....)
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Then, if all connections are correct, there may be a software bug. Only suggestion left is to go back to your dealer and try other boosters and another CS2. Other than this, contact Marklin directly...
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Joined: 11/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Italy
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Thanks.. I'll do it soon
I let you know...
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Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534
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Hello Umberto,
it is mandatory to separate the brown of th 60173 from all the other following the Märklin instructions. If you do not do it, you may have malfunction (what you are experencing in fact)
If you cannot do it, than exchange the 60173 booster with a 60174.
what do you mean with Booster version 3.75 and 2.28??
As far as I know, the actual GFP version is 1.36.
I have 3 Booster 60173 connected to the 60125 terminal and than to the CS2. Everything is working fine, but i separate even the brown (ground) between the tracks, as the Märklin instruction is telling me to do.
Before getting angry, maybe it is better if you read carefully the instructions.
rgds
Stephan
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Joined: 11/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Italy
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Hello first of all now the system is working and do you know why??? I've replaced the software.. I've done a new upgrade This was my idea and nobody has adviced me about this possibility neither in this forum nor in others. In fact I did a mistake: the GPF version is 1.36 (now... before was 1.28) secondly I always do as marklin tells to me... but I have one question for you When I separate the tracks I use the appropriate item between the rails.. in this way I separate red wire non brown wire.. I don't have instructions telling me how to separate brown wire... Do you have any tip for me???? 
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Originally Posted by: umberto56 I don't have instructions telling me how to separate brown wire... Do you have any tip for me???? Hi umberto56, If you are using C tracks you can use the little red insulators designed to insulate the center rail: you insert them inside the brown "0" connectors of the C tracks (in the same way for insulating the center rail). If you are using Metal tracks it is very difficult to insulate the outer rails. Cheers Renato
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Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534
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Hello Umberto, for C track no problem, just isolate the ground contacts between 2 rails for K track no problem, use the Fleischmann insulating strap:  But pay attention if you use old K-track switches with fix motor. a ground connection is existing through the switch illumination. For M-track Märklin suggests not to use the 60173 Booster, as you can read in the Märklin FAQ. If you want to do it anyway, just put a small gap between 2 rails and replace the straps with insulating ones similar to K track. For switch illumination same problem as for old K switches. If you would have written since the beginning that you had GFP 1.28 on your Booster, everyone would have suggested you to make an update, since the new booster 60174 is supported correctly only with newer GFP version. If you want have a correct help, you need to write down correct information. No one was understanding what you meant with booster version 3.75. If you do not isolate the ground of the 60173 booster, you will experience problems latest when you connect the S88 detection system. kind regards Stephan
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Originally Posted by: supermoee If you do not isolate the ground of the 60173 booster, you will experience problems latest when you connect the S88 detection system. Depends upon the CS-II version and what you connect to the "T".
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Joined: 11/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Italy
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Hi Stephan
you're worse than my old university teachers.... ok... Was my mistake on a GFP version... and now I know clearly the problem.. 60174 needs 1.32...
But I wrote to marklin too about this version problem, already noted some weeks ago... and the answer was... not an answer!!!
Anyway all it's working in spite of the brown wire not separated (nobody told me 2 years ago when I began to build my layout)
In your opinion given that 60174 doesn't need brown wire separation, it' s enough if I separate only the track led by 60173???
Ciao... and don't be so hard with me...
And for you Hemmerich what doesn't mean your post?? May you explain better??? Thanks....
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Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD
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Originally Posted by: supermoee If you do not isolate the ground of the 60173 booster, you will experience problems latest when you connect the S88 detection system. Originally Posted by: Hemmerich Depends upon the CS-II version and what you connect to the "T".
Please could anyone explain what Lutz was referring to in his post. Eg What CS -II version and what you connect to the T. It would be most helpful. Nev |
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Thanks BD but Not quite the answer I am thinking about. Original Puzzler: originally Posted by: supermoee
If you do not isolate the ground of the 60173 booster, you will experience problems latest when you connect the S88 detection system.
Originally Posted by: Hemmerich
Depends upon the CS-II version and what you connect to the "T". SO what does Lutz mean??? That is the real puzzler. Why is the Version Of the CS2 Important?? NN Hello, Lutz, Hello, are you home???   |
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Hello Umberto,
I wasn' t hard, or at least it wasn't my intention. I^m sorry if you understood like this. You put an angry face in your posts.
That you have to separate the brown for the 60173 it's written since ever in the manual of the booster itself.
You have to do it only for the 60173. for the 60174 it is mandatory to connect the brown together to the CS.
Hello Lutz,
since I do not know the hardware version of Umberto, I cannot tell. Even Märklin cannot say which hardware is showing exactly this problem. Seems to be spread over the production.
One point to check: if the S88 system is working without ground connection at the first S88 module, than the CS needs to be sent in to Märklin to be modified, because with the growing of the layout over different booster section this may cause problems, mostly if isolated tracks are in use.
I have to CS. the one with 3.1 Hardware present the problem, the one with 3.4 Hardware not. I know cases where it is the opposite.
My 3.1 CS was repaired and on the way back from Göppingen. I will check it soon.
rgds
Stephan
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Joined: 11/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Italy
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Hello Stephan
I was angry with myself... nothing more..
Thanks for your reply
I'll try to be more accurate...
My CS2 now has version 1.4
The boosters have version 1.32
MS has version 1.5
Given that I knew that 60174 doesn't need brown separation, I haven't ever done this action
Yesterday I did because, if only 1 track goes there are no problems (track 1 or 2 it doesn't matter)
If both tacks are actives the system fall down (the CS does not feel locos, but only MFX, after the stop at the signal when it turns green)
The both systems are working without problem only if I connect the booster directly to the CS without using connecting box
Anyway i have still to check what happens after the complete track's separation
Moreover I have 3 s88 that are divided on the tracks and I have ground connection for each one
I let you know news....
Thanks
Umberto
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Hello Umberto,
The newest GFP version for Booster is 1.36. You are telling that you have 1.32. Are you sure?
For the ground connection of the S88: please connect it only on the first S88 module, not on everyone.
rgds
Stephan
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Joined: 11/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Italy
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HELLO STEPHAN
I APOLOGIZE FOR MY SAME MISTAKE... MAYBE IT'S MY MIND NOT VERY WELL FINE... IT'S CORRECT 1.36
Now the problem is: with only connection at the first s88, the automatism led by the 2'nd s88 is getting crazy... signals that turn from red to green or turnouts that change their position in a nonsense way, also without train going on the contact rail.. the result is railway disaster....
Believe me, I can't stand it... and I really don't know what I have to do....
Ciao
Umberto
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