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Offline applor  
#1 Posted : 16 July 2009 03:54:49(UTC)
applor

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Hello,

I'm trying to find some information on the S-Bahn coaches and can't seem to find anything.
I'm referring to item numbers 4183/4184/4185.
I was wondering if these have the modern close couplers with NEM sockets or not?
Is there a newer version of these orange S-Bahn coaches?
modelling era IIIa (1951-1955) Germany
Offline WelshMatt  
#2 Posted : 16 July 2009 12:30:54(UTC)
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I think they have proper close couplers. All the ones I've seen photos of have the modern close coupler heads, and they look like they're in the proper NEM mountings.
Matt from Wales.

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Offline klarinettmeister  
#3 Posted : 16 July 2009 19:32:41(UTC)
klarinettmeister

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I have the 4390 set which are the same cars but different colours. They have NEM sockets and close coupler mechanism. They were among the first ones with the guide mechanism.

There hasn´t been any other newer versions. Only the repainted ones. Don´t remember all sets. But I know there are at least 3 different sets and of course 4183/4184/4185.

4183/4184/4185 was released 1987. The catalouge shows strange couplers but was changed in the next catalouge.

One more thing. You can´t use current conducting couplers without modifications. You can use it with some soldering directly to the couplers. The instructions tells you to use the long black cable from 7330. But that means you can´t seperate the cars.
Offline applor  
#4 Posted : 17 July 2009 04:23:41(UTC)
applor

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Thanks for the information guys, much appreciated.
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#5 Posted : 17 July 2009 14:32:20(UTC)
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No problem.

I recommend buying them. I have installed 7330 in my set 4390 and looks very nice. I want to change those to the new LED-sets. But they are expensive to me so I'll do it when I can afford it. I use the BR120 (3754) to pull them. I don´t think it´s correct, but it´s the best I have since I have no BR218.

The short lenght of the cars makes them very cute as a consist. If you want I can upload some pictures of them.

UserPostedImage Here is the 4389-set. Ei like it

Here is more info.
http://www.hfkern.de/Maerklin_Wagen/S_Bahn.html

And now I see there were complete consists with locomotive. 26507. But these are red. I like the orange colour scheme better.
Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 17 July 2009 22:37:50(UTC)
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Hi all!
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by klarinettmeister
<br />I don´t think it´s correct, but it´s the best I have since I have no BR218.

A little research on the Internet found several posts saying that a BR 218 can't be used for push/pull trains with x-coaches (x-Wagen (S-Bahn-Wagen)).
That applies to 1:1. In real life BR 218 runs with n-coaches (n-Wagen a.k.a. Silberlinge).
In 1:87 you can use BR 218 for any type of coaches.

A BR 120 could be compatible (but AFAIK it wasn't used regularly for x-coaches (I even think it was never used)). BR 101 or BR 152 are probably compatible (but like BR 120 they are operated by different branches of DB AG).

I found pictures of the following classes with x-coaches: BR 111, BR 143, BR 141.
Regards
Tom
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#7 Posted : 20 July 2009 00:26:43(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by H0
<br />Hi all!
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by klarinettmeister
<br />I don´t think it´s correct, but it´s the best I have since I have no BR218.

A little research on the Internet found several posts saying that a BR 218 can't be used for push/pull trains with x-coaches (x-Wagen (S-Bahn-Wagen)).
That applies to 1:1. In real life BR 218 runs with n-coaches (n-Wagen a.k.a. Silberlinge).
In 1:87 you can use BR 218 for any type of coaches.

A BR 120 could be compatible (but AFAIK it wasn't used regularly for x-coaches (I even think it was never used)). BR 101 or BR 152 are probably compatible (but like BR 120 they are operated by different branches of DB AG).

I found pictures of the following classes with x-coaches: BR 111, BR 143, BR 141.



Thanks! I wasn´t sure, because there´s a picture on the inside of the box of 4390 where they use a red Br218. But it´s possible they used it just to get the train to that particular destination.

Then I´ll continue using my 3754 (BR120).
So many people with so much information Smile
Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 20 July 2009 02:48:19(UTC)
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There was a special event (organized by Märklin) where a pr. P 8 pulled a train of S-Bahn coaches - a BR 216 (red) was at the end of the train to provide compressed air to operate the automatic doors.
Maybe you see this train on the picture.

So almost any loco can be used to pull these coaches.
But the coaches were designed for push/pull trains - and AFAIK no loco of the V 160 family has the equipped to control such a train.
Regards
Tom
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#9 Posted : 20 July 2009 11:43:08(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by H0
<br />There was a special event (organized by Märklin) where a pr. P 8 pulled a train of S-Bahn coaches - a BR 216 (red) was at the end of the train to provide compressed air to operate the automatic doors.
Maybe you see this train on the picture.

So almost any loco can be used to pull these coaches.
But the coaches were designed for push/pull trains - and AFAIK no loco of the V 160 family has the equipped to control such a train.


Thanks Tom! Next time I´m gonna read. It´s a red BR 216 014-1. And also as you say a P8. Hehe
Offline Weltenbummler  
#10 Posted : 23 July 2009 07:04:21(UTC)
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Hi,

if you wanna have an interesting loco in front of this train, refer to the BR 141 from the set 2849.
It really looks nice in front of these coaches. Other interesting locos originally pulling these coaches are the BR 111 (3155 or 3355) and the BR 143.

Greetings from Warsaw
Thomas
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Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 24 July 2009 02:02:22(UTC)
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Hi all!

x coaches are used with platform heights of either 96 cm or 76 cm (measured above the rails).
Double-stock trains and n coaches (Silberlinge) can also stop at these high platforms, but are also used at low platforms (around 36 cm only).
Regards
Tom
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Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 25 July 2009 02:45:33(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />96cm is the standard height for dedicated S-Bahn stations

That may be a rule of thumb - but with German railways there's no rule without exception.

Our local station is serviced by only S-Bahn, it was built few years ago when the ICE connection Cologne/Frankfurt was built - and it has 76 cm platforms.

Stations where platforms are shared by S-Bahn and other trains (Regional trains) will have 76 cm platforms.

Cologne/Bonn Airport has two platforms with 76 cm and two platforms with 96 cm.
The ICE trains ending there stop at the 96 cm S-Bahn platform - forcing the S-Bahn to stop at the 76 cm platform meanwhile.
The S-Bahn engineers sometimes (rarely) make "mind the gap" announcements.
Regards
Tom
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Offline river6109  
#13 Posted : 25 July 2009 15:49:50(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />That's why I explicitly wrote: "96cm is the standard height for dedicated S-Bahn stations and trains; nevertheless there are cases where a S-Bahn will also use the regular height 76cm platforms "wink

Even in our local train station there are three different platform heights. biggrin
.
This is what you call: German Engineering at its best.

regards.,
John
some bright spark measured the train wheels including the flanches and the result was the platforms did'nt line up with the carriages.
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Offline Nigel Packer  
#14 Posted : 27 July 2009 18:40:03(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />The above mentioned single usage of BR216 014-1 and BR38 1182 at the link closure event between Neustadt/Saale and Sonneberg was honored by Märklin with the set #4390 and the two complementing locos #3079 and #3098 (in addition to some special waggons sold/signed at the
event). Here some pictures of the train set, also the cover inside and diesel loco with its special logo.

UserPostedImage


Hi Lutz,

I happen to have all of the models for this S-Bahn event in 1991 in my collection, and I have always thought that there is a spelling mistake in the notice on the side of the BR216 diesel loco. My German is not very good, but there is an "n" missing, isn't there?

My question is, was there a spelling mistake on the real loco's sign, or is this a mistake on the model?

Best wishes,

Nigel
Märklin collector since age 5.
H0 Collection from 1935 to today.
Offline H0  
#15 Posted : 27 July 2009 22:36:12(UTC)
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Hi, Nigel,

good point: it should read "Strecken-Neueröff<u>n</u>ung".

Can't speak for the prototype.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Nigel Packer  
#16 Posted : 28 July 2009 12:07:37(UTC)
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Excellent! Thanks Lutz and Tom!

At least I know now, and it shows that the people at Märklin are occasionally fallible. (And not just when it comes to hand rails!)

Nigel
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