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MarioFabro		#1 Posted : 16 February 2009 21:16:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		Two years ago I bought at a show a Br194, item 3322, that was up-graded to digital with a 6090 first generation decoder. I see in the offering this year the set 37225 but, since I do not model DB that much, I would not want to spend all this money if the locomotive is basically the same. I could up-grade my model with a five-pole motor and mfx decoder for a fraction of the cost. I also think I could buy the newer pantographs since it appears (from pictures) that the body is basically unchanged. Does anyone (I hope Lutz) have both the old version (3322/3722) and the newer 39223 of this model and can tell me if, beside the motor, there are significant changes? Sound in the new ones is not included, believe it is the same problem as with the swiss crocodile: too little space for it. EDIT: Upon further review, 39223 has sound. EDIT nr. 2: Upon even further review, it seems as 37226 of the OBB is an interesting alternative: great paint scheme and Era V make it quite interesting for me. Is this a loco dedicated mostly to freight?
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MarioFabro		#2 Posted : 17 February 2009 02:23:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		Thanks Lutz. Very comprehensive answer, as always. I will plan on up-grading my 3722 with a 5 pole motor but maybe coupled to a mfx decoder. I will also retrofit the led lights (found in the newer versions). How do you open the "trunks"? I was looking for a screw or connector. Do you have to remove the buffers? Also, can you give me the reference of the Sommerfeldt pantos? Are those better than Marklin?
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rugauger		#3 Posted : 17 February 2009 03:18:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/12/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,205 Location: Swindon, Wiltshire		If memory serves me right, the "trunks" are held in place by a single screw on the underside of each bogie.
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MarioFabro		#4 Posted : 17 February 2009 04:17:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rugauger <br />If memory serves me right, the "trunks" are held in place by a single screw on the underside of each bogie. Rich, you are correct. I did find the screw shortly after I wrote my post.
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Bigdaddynz		#5 Posted : 17 February 2009 07:10:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		Thanks for your pictures Lutz. I'm interested in your pictures of the 37225 set, and if you don't mind me asking, the loco in your 2nd picture (the one with the DB logo) seems to have a light shade of grey roof colour. Looking at the 2009 New Items brochure the roof of the DB loco seems to be dark, almost black. Can you please clarify what you would describe the colour of that loco's roof as? Personally, I would prefer the lighter colour as depicted in your picture rather than the darker colour depicted in the brochure. Are your pictures from the recent toy fair? At any rate, thanks for posting them here.
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river6109		#6 Posted : 18 February 2009 00:33:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,744 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		I had 2 DB 194's both 3022. Converted both with ESU sound decoder, highefficiency motors, older pantographs, led's from newer 194 locos, silent pickupshoe from Roco, shortcouplings. I one was stolen due to a breakin 18 month ago. http://farm4.static.flic...6151434_d45d54d04d_o.jpg
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river6109		#7 Posted : 18 February 2009 00:38:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,744 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		one more thing. Drilled small holes into front buffer bar to insert hoses and coupling hook. http://farm4.static.flic...6152252_704f162afa_b.jpg
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river6109		#8 Posted : 18 February 2009 00:45:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,744 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Lutz, Another variation is the roof as shown in your pictures. the roof section is longer, overhanging over the windows.
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Bigdaddynz		#9 Posted : 17 May 2009 09:03:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		Does any one have photos / comments on how the 39223 E94 compares with the 3022 / 3322 / 3722 / 37225 versions (which was part of the original question)?
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steventrain		#10 Posted : 17 May 2009 12:35:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Here is the photo of 39223 Green and 37224 blue livery. The 39223 'H' red pantos. and 37224 'N' black pantos.
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Bigdaddynz		#11 Posted : 17 May 2009 12:40:24(UTC) Retweet
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river6109		#12 Posted : 17 May 2009 16:14:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,744 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Quote: quote:Originally posted by river6109 <br />I had 2 DB 194's both 3022. Converted both with ESU sound decoder, highefficiency motors, older pantographs, led's from newer 194 locos, silent pickupshoe from Roco, shortcouplings. I one was stolen due to a breakin 18 month ago. http://farm4.static.flic...6151434_d45d54d04d_o.jpg Sparepart from 39222 + twin pulb connector/back) Hoses & hook Motorside: the sparepart led cicuitboard has 4 connection. the twin bulb holder is inserted into the top 2 wires of the led circuit board. the bottom connection is wired directly onto the connectors Conversion set 60904 Motorsection with Märklin short coupling shaft Roco silent slider + Märklin short coupling shaft Conversion 60904 ESU speaker, sound decoder & 8 pin connector plug, the spot for the speaker was just enough This part was formerly a bulb holder and is used as a distribution plate for the blue wire (dcc) The original bulb holder is used to insert new led circuit board with twin bulb holder superglued to the back of it. make sure it sits in the right position otherwise the marker light will not shine through. found rusty plate and will treat it with anti rust fluid. [size=4]DB BR 194 091-5 in action again.(Märklin 3022)
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river6109		#13 Posted : 19 May 2009 11:05:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,744 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Lutz, You've widened the hole in the plate, looks neat. The countersunk screw is'nt a problem with my curves but will investigate. The Roco silend pick up shoe makes a lot of different on c -track but the ordinary Märklinpick upshoe is'nt a problem with k -tracks. As you know the studs on the k-track facing towards the rails whereas the c-track studes facing in the same direction as the rails and this narrows the wipers contact width and may add less visual appearance. I've noticed by doing more and more conversions you do get better at it and find simpler & neater ways of doing it. John
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pa-pauls		#14 Posted : 20 May 2009 15:29:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,842 Location: Norway		Hi What is, if any, difference with the model 3722 and 37225 Era 3 version (E 94) I have the 3722 model and do think it is more nice than the E 94 in 37225 dobbel-pack [:I]
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pa-pauls		#15 Posted : 20 May 2009 22:30:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,842 Location: Norway		Hi Lutz So the E 94 model from 37225 dobbel-pack would be a more correct Ep.III version as the 3722 model is actually a museum version
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RayF		#16 Posted : 20 May 2009 22:57:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I've followed this thread with interest, and there's a question I need to ask. Why do all the newer models have red pantos and all the older ones silver or black? Is red correct for all locos, or did the real ones sometimes have black pantos? The only croc I have is the 3422 in blue/cream. It has the older type pantos with a single current collector. Should these also be red?
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bmcrae		#17 Posted : 21 May 2009 00:41:24(UTC) Retweet
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Bigdaddynz		#18 Posted : 21 May 2009 08:02:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		Yes, thanks for the picture Lutz. Here's a picture of an E94-279 (M 39223) that will be coming my way soon.
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Bigdaddynz		#19 Posted : 21 May 2009 13:12:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		My bad Lutz! For some reason I had it in my mind that the refurbished E94 was E94-279. [:I] 194 158-2 is indeed correct. The loco is described in the auction as being 'mint' so I hope that is the case.
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kimballthurlow		#20 Posted : 21 May 2009 13:43:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,675 Location: Brisbane, Australia		I have really enjoyed this topic, as the E94 is a landmark locomotive in many respects, also the model. Lutz says, with photo: Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:..museum loco E94 279 has red pantos today; the lamps were also converted back to the way when the loco was delivered.... Wow, what a great photo. I can feel I am almost there. Very impressive machines, even today. I have already ordered my 37225 set, so I am looking forward to running the E94 locomotive with as long a freight train as I can muster. Might as well earn its keep. regards Kimball
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Bigdaddynz		#21 Posted : 21 May 2009 13:58:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		I was thinking about getting the 37225 set, but fell in love with the 39223 E194. I blame Alberto's photos on page 1 of the Gatormania thread, and a certain Mr Black's enthusiasm for them (and I believe it was McLae who started the whole Gatormania thing in the first place). Not that I'm totally discounting getting at least 1 of the 37225 set...... As for trains, well I reckon a set of the LH ore cars would look really good behind an E94.
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Bigdaddynz		#22 Posted : 21 May 2009 14:35:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		Yes it certainly does. If it drives as well as my 39560 Crocodile, I will be a very happy 'Gator owner. Of course, pictures will be posted when it arrives.
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pa-pauls		#23 Posted : 21 May 2009 15:55:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,842 Location: Norway		Hmmmmm Now I also want the E 94 model from the 37225 dobbel-pack [:p]
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river6109		#24 Posted : 21 May 2009 16:54:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,744 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Here are a couple of videos from my BR E 194 with sound
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Bigdaddynz		#25 Posted : 23 May 2009 14:19:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />The museum loco E94 279 has red pantos today.... There's quite a nice picture of E94 279 pulling some passenger coaches in the centre photo spread in the Marklin Magazine 3/1993. And yes, it has red pantographs. (Not sure if I can get the magazine out of the binder it is in to be able to scan it!)
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intruder		#26 Posted : 23 May 2009 15:10:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Thanks for all the intersting information and conversion tips, friends. Maybe I have to do some further modifications to my 3300. It is converted with the 60924 mfx conversion kit. Maybe a light conversion will be in order, and maybe sound, and maybe red pantographs... Edit: added question and photo of the 39221: This one has "wooden" platforms on the roof, the one from the 3300 set has not. Does anyone know if these are separate parts? They are not listed separately in the spare parts drawing.
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atilla		#27 Posted : 23 May 2009 17:07:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 381 Location: Richmond, Virginia		Thanks for the information Lutz! I have the 37226 ordered and you restarted my drool reflex. Ralph
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Bigdaddynz		#28 Posted : 24 May 2009 11:06:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />There's quite a nice picture of E94 279 pulling some passenger coaches in the centre photo spread in the Marklin Magazine 3/1993. And yes, it has red pantographs. Here's a scanned image of the said picture. There's a wee bit missed out in the middle, where the seam of the book is, but i hope you get the general idea! Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />Although mainly used for heavy goods trains, the E94/194/1020 locos could also be found in pulling or pushing passenger trains (across the Geislinger Steige or the Arlberg ramp, etc.). I don't know if this is an example of Lutz's statement in terms of the location, or not, but here you are! Note that at sometime between this picture and Lutz's picture, the loco has lost the white circles in the buffers!
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Bigdaddynz		#29 Posted : 24 May 2009 12:14:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		Caption on the photograph: Als DB-Museumslokomotive erhielt die E 94 279 wieder ihre alte Vor-Computernummer. Am 6.7.1991 hat diese schwere Güterzuglokomotive auf der Schwarzwaldbahn bei Haslach (links Kinzig) mit ihrem Sonderzug leichtes Spiel. Google translation: As a DB locomotive museum received E 94 279 return to their old pre-computer number. On 6.7.1991, this heavy freight locomotive on the train at Black Haslach (Kinzig left) with its special light game.
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river6109		#30 Posted : 27 May 2009 08:03:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,744 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Caption on the photograph: Als DB-Museumslokomotive erhielt die E 94 279 wieder ihre alte Vor-Computernummer. Am 6.7.1991 hat diese schwere Güterzuglokomotive auf der Schwarzwaldbahn bei Haslach (links Kinzig) mit ihrem Sonderzug leichtes Spiel. Google translation: As a DB locomotive museum received E 94 279 return to their old pre-computer number. On 6.7.1991, this heavy freight locomotive on the train at Black Haslach (Kinzig left) with its special light game. english translation: this heavy freight locomotive on the Blackforest line at Haslach (left Kinzig) with an excursion train "Easy play"
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Bigdaddynz		#31 Posted : 27 May 2009 08:45:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		Should that be 'Halsach'?
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river6109		#32 Posted : 27 May 2009 10:25:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,744 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Should that be 'Halsach'? When you've pointed it out to me I thought this sounds more like german but looking it up on google, it is definitely Haslach, a small town in the Kinzig valley. (Baden-Württemberg). the word "Kinzig" is refered to a river and may came from the celtic word "kent" = flowing but there is no clear explanation where the name came from. John
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RayF		#33 Posted : 27 May 2009 10:46:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Most of the prototype pictures I've seen show the red pantographs actually very dark, not at all like the bright red of the models. I've always thought that the models with red pantos look very toy-like. Shouldn't the colour be toned down? I'm not talking about weathering here, I mean they should have used a darker colour of paint IMHO.
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river6109		#34 Posted : 27 May 2009 12:39:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,744 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Quote: quote:Originally posted by RayPayas <br />Most of the prototype pictures I've seen show the red pantographs actually very dark, not at all like the bright red of the models. I've always thought that the models with red pantos look very toy-like. Shouldn't the colour be toned down? I'm not talking about weathering here, I mean they should have used a darker colour of paint IMHO. Website pictures http://www.drehscheibe-f...oren/read.php?17,4129388 [size=4]these pictures will also give you some scenery material ideas
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Bigdaddynz		#35 Posted : 27 May 2009 13:28:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		Thanks for the pictures and clarification on Haslach / Halsach, John. I just looked up the spelling of the town I was thinking of, it is 'Hausach'. I'm wondering whether it is the same town as Haslach, as both are in Baden-Württemberg, and judging by the maps on Wikipedia, seem to be in the same place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haslach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausach But then, maybe not, the area codes for each on Wikipedia are different, but I think they are close by. The reason for my interest is that one of our Marklin club members has modelled his MRR on about 150 sq kms of the Black Forest area. Some of the towns he has modelled are Freiburg, Triberg and Hausach. The layout itself is around 900 sq feet in size.
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RayF		#36 Posted : 27 May 2009 14:16:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Quote: quote:Originally posted by river6109 <br /> Quote: quote:Originally posted by RayPayas <br />Most of the prototype pictures I've seen show the red pantographs actually very dark, not at all like the bright red of the models. I've always thought that the models with red pantos look very toy-like. Shouldn't the colour be toned down? I'm not talking about weathering here, I mean they should have used a darker colour of paint IMHO. [size=4]Website pictures http://www.drehscheibe-f...oren/read.php?17,4129388 [size=4]these pictures will also give you some scenery material ideas Yes, thanks John, this is what I mean. Compare these pictures to Lutz's photos right at the beginning of the thread. The red colour should be more "dull"
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kimballthurlow		#37 Posted : 28 May 2009 00:08:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,675 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Thanks for the photos. John says Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:...these pictures will also give you some scenery material ideas.... Lutz' picture also shows how the agriculture in Germany is often very close to the lineside. In fact in many places, there is not even a fence, and the 'potato' fields come almost to the edge of the track. regards Kimball
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pa-pauls		#38 Posted : 02 June 2009 00:27:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,842 Location: Norway		I see that the set 37225 is for delivery this month That is very good for me as my holiday this year seems to be in start of july
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Bigdaddynz		#39 Posted : 09 June 2009 05:44:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Yes, thanks for the picture Lutz. Here's a picture of an E94-158-2 (M 39223) that will be coming my way soon. A nice package arrived for me in the mail today......... Pictures to follow.
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river6109		#40 Posted : 09 June 2009 07:02:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,744 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Thanks for the pictures and clarification on Haslach / Halsach, John. I just looked up the spelling of the town I was thinking of, it is 'Hausach'. I'm wondering whether it is the same town as Haslach, as both are in Baden-Württemberg, and judging by the maps on Wikipedia, seem to be in the same place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haslach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausach But then, maybe not, the area codes for each on Wikipedia are different, but I think they are close by. The reason for my interest is that one of our Marklin club members has modelled his MRR on about 150 sq kms of the Black Forest area. Some of the towns he has modelled are Freiburg, Triberg and Hausach. The layout itself is around 900 sq feet in size. one town (Haslach is 220m above sealevel and the other Hausach is 238m above sealevel. they must be very close together. I'm trying to get a map of this region and see how far apart they are. http://www.schwarzwald-modell-bahn.de/frameset.php click: Sie finden uns you'll see how close they are What about the model layout ? unfortunately not many pictures and you can't zoom them John
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Bigdaddynz		#41 Posted : 09 June 2009 14:05:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		Pictures as promised of my 39223 Came complete with a small bag of sweets...... Photographed on the only part of my layout that has some scenery!
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steventrain		#42 Posted : 09 June 2009 16:27:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice, Bigdaddynz. Sweet, please![:p]
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Davy		#43 Posted : 09 June 2009 20:55:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Have fun with your new loc. I think I am going to buy the period III version of the E94.[:p]
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GSRR		#44 Posted : 29 August 2009 23:59:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Yes, thanks for the picture Lutz. Here's a picture of an E94-158-2 (M 39223) that will be coming my way soon. A nice package arrived for me in the mail today......... Pictures to follow. /// David, can you tell me where you were able to get your 39223? I have been looking w/o much luck. Did find one as part of a set with wagons though, if they still have it. Are you pleased with the way it runs? Regards, Thomas //
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Bigdaddynz		#45 Posted : 30 August 2009 02:36:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		Thomas, I got my 39223 off ebay. Best place to search is ebay Germany (www.ebay.de). Remember to search for Märklin 39223 rather than Marklin 39223. Here's two with Buy Nows, although I think they are way too expensive, at 298 and 398 euros - I only paid 249 euros for mine. http://cgi.ebay.de/E-194...amp;_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 http://cgi.ebay.de/Clix-...amp;_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Ah, I just remembered that ETS have a 39223 in their 2nd hand Marklin section, that one is 279 euros. http://www.modelleisenbahn.com/second/ then click on Marklin / HOAC. The loco is near the bottom of the page. I'm very pleased with the way it runs, it can be a tad noisy at times, but its a great puller and looks fantastic. I took it to a running day on a friend's layout, he has a very large layout with many different branch lines. I was down one end of the layout, I put 39223 on the tracks, sent it of, and that was the last I saw of it until just before I went home. Everyone else was having fun running it!
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GSRR		#46 Posted : 30 August 2009 04:18:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Thomas, I got my 39223 off ebay. Best place to search is ebay Germany (www.ebay.de). Remember to search for Märklin 39223 rather than Marklin 39223. Here's two with Buy Nows, although I think they are way too expensive, at 298 and 398 euros - I only paid 249 euros for mine. http://cgi.ebay.de/E-194...amp;_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 http://cgi.ebay.de/Clix-...amp;_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Ah, I just remembered that ETS have a 39223 in their 2nd hand Marklin section, that one is 279 euros. http://www.modelleisenbahn.com/second/ then click on Marklin / HOAC. The loco is near the bottom of the page. I'm very pleased with the way it runs, it can be a tad noisy at times, but its a great puller and looks fantastic. I took it to a running day on a friend's layout, he has a very large layout with many different branch lines. I was down one end of the layout, I put 39223 on the tracks, sent it of, and that was the last I saw of it until just before I went home. Everyone else was having fun running it! Thanks for the all the info. I had looked at the train set offered by ETS with the 39223 and 6 x 4635 cars. But at 459.99 it seems a bit steep. I'll keep a watch on ebay.de maybe something more reasonable will come along. Regards, Thomas
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Bigdaddynz		#47 Posted : 30 August 2009 04:20:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,671 Location: New Zealand		Thomas, the 39223 I mention that ETS has is for the loco only. This is at 279 euros. Yes, I have seen the set with the hopper cars, and very nice it is! But you might want to check out the other loco.
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GSRR		#48 Posted : 30 August 2009 04:27:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Thomas, the 39223 I mention that ETS has is for the loco only. This is at 279 euros. David, yes sorry, should have been clearer. I looked at the 39223-1 set earlier today, and then just now looked at the 3 links you mentioned including the used 39223 at ETS. Regards, Thomas
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GSRR		#49 Posted : 19 November 2010 05:24:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA		Bigdaddynz wrote: Pictures as promised of my 39223 Photographed on the only part of my layout that has some scenery! David, now that you have had the 39223 for a while, what is your general impression? How is the c-sine? r/Thomas
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river6109		#50 Posted : 19 November 2010 07:20:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,744 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		I bought mine for Euro 126.00 but not under the above number (37225) John
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