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bens33		#1 Posted : 08 November 2008 12:30:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 47 Location: Belfast, N.Ireland		Hi all, I have information from some of German Marklin dealers about Marklin 2009 new items will bring the BR23, The stummi forum confirm it. That's what Steve did well done for sending wanted lists letter to Marklin two years ago.
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vilithejou		#2 Posted : 08 November 2008 12:41:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		I've a question... this loco it will be a 36XXX series or really "professional" series like 37XXX or 39XXX... Many thanks...
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kimballthurlow		#3 Posted : 08 November 2008 13:11:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,769 Location: Brisbane, Australia		So the question is .... do I get the Insider 39 class (39390) or the BR23? I can't afford both. regards Kimball
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Frostie		#4 Posted : 08 November 2008 13:20:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,614 Location: Birmingham,Alabama		Get the insider 39 class now, because it will be more limited delivery. You should see the BR23 available through dealers for a more extended time than the BR39
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kimballthurlow		#5 Posted : 08 November 2008 14:03:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,769 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Yes Robert, you are correct. Now I have to wait for the Insider order forms to arrive. regards Kimball
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cjh26		#6 Posted : 08 November 2008 14:52:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2007(UTC) Posts: 149 Location: ,		Any more info on other 09 models? Thanks Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by bens33 <br />Hi all, I have information from some of German Marklin dealers about Marklin 2009 new items will bring the BR23, The stummi forum confirm it. That's what Steve did well done for sending wanted lists letter to Marklin two years ago.
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Goofy		#7 Posted : 08 November 2008 16:30:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,308		Please gentlemen...! Don´t rush to fast with speculation only... Goofy
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Webmaster		#8 Posted : 08 November 2008 21:14:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Goofy, for an armchair modeler like me - speculation is half the fun...
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Sander van Wijk		#9 Posted : 08 November 2008 21:17:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />Goofy, for an armchair modeler like me - speculation is half the fun... But in this case, he's right nonetheless...
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RayF		#10 Posted : 08 November 2008 21:58:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,873 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		If they do a Br23, it will very likely be a full specification model, rather than a hobby version. I do think though that they should carry on producing both types of model; Some high quality models for the collector and the serious modeller, and some hobby models for those (like me) who are not made of money. I actually liked what they were doing a few years ago, when they would make 2 versions of each model, one Delta, and one digital FX. I know they do something similar now with a sound version and a non sound version of some models, but this only happens for a select few locos. I suppose you can't please all of the people all of the time! Ray
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mvd71		#11 Posted : 09 November 2008 07:44:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,942 Location: Auckland,		I'm sure Marklin will only start production of a new BR23 to frustrate me, because I've only recently put sound, telex, and smoke unit into my ancient model. [:I]
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mmrcnzjohn		#12 Posted : 09 November 2008 09:18:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 558 Location: ,		Yeah but I bet it will be a model of the 1950's class 23 and not the original built in 1941 (2 of them) Never mind far to modern for my layout!!!!!!!!
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Bigdaddynz		#13 Posted : 09 November 2008 10:28:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Horse and Cart are probably too modern for your layout!
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Goofy		#14 Posted : 09 November 2008 10:33:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,308		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />Goofy, for an armchair modeler like me - speculation is half the fun... You have right,Juhan...! I´m myself sometimes speculation too...! [:o)] But,in this case about BR23... Hmmm... Perhaps i should "copy" from after Juhans sign:"Bah...another DB model..." Goofy
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kimballthurlow		#15 Posted : 09 November 2008 10:59:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,769 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Yes Michael, Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:..... start production of a new BR23 to frustrate me, because I've only recently ....... myself and friends must have painted, decaled hundreds of US prototype engines and box cars over the years, to find that a manufacturer releases them six months later. regards Kimball
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mvd71		#16 Posted : 09 November 2008 11:07:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,942 Location: Auckland,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Never mind far to modern for my layout!!!!!!!! But just right for mine, how convenient. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Horse and Cart are probably too modern for your layout! It's Murphey's Law that something like this happens. Anyone have another prototype they would like Marklin to revamp? Just let me know, I'll spend a small fortune on the old one, and then you'll get a new version. Cheers..... Mike.
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Bigdaddynz		#17 Posted : 09 November 2008 11:39:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Maybe I won't need to upgrade my 3005 then......
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steventrain		#18 Posted : 09 November 2008 21:04:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,714 Location: United Kingdom		It could be 39230 BR23 with SDS & sounds.
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mmrcnzjohn		#19 Posted : 10 November 2008 07:38:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 558 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Horse and Cart are probably too modern for your layout! Harsh. Clearly your history lesson and short term memory are lacking! My clinic on the trains of the DRG quitely clearly had a number of pictures that showed that the horse and cart were in fact used quite extensively in the 1920's. Next thing you will be suggestioning that I have an F1 test track on my layout!
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Bigdaddynz		#20 Posted : 10 November 2008 08:35:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		My short term memory is fine, in fact it is your memory that is lacking, as I wasn't there for your clinic....... F1 test track, now there's a thought. A Scalextric F1 track in your layout would be great fun, but your layout would have to be 1 Gauge (1:32) as Scalextric is 1:32 scale. Micro Scalextric at 1:64 is still too large for HO. Did not Faller used to produce race cars for their car sets? And of course, Marklin Sprint was also 1:32.
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mmrcnzjohn		#21 Posted : 10 November 2008 09:14:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 558 Location: ,		well for those who have an interest, here is a great site for DRG railway pictures http://www.eisenbahnstif...tion=galery&thema=64
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steventrain		#22 Posted : 10 November 2008 19:09:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,714 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmrcnzjohn <br />well for those who have an interest, here is a great site for DRG railway pictures http://www.eisenbahnstif...tion=galery&thema=64 Very Good, Thanks for the site.
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Goofy		#23 Posted : 10 November 2008 20:49:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,308		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmrcnzjohn <br />well for those who have an interest, here is a great site for DRG railway pictures http://www.eisenbahnstif...tion=galery&thema=64 What has this to do about BR23...? We are writing about BR23,which did becomes after world war 2...! BR23 has only been in DB under the lifetime. We are also writing about an model BR23. Roco did created an new BR23 and i have seen it...! Excellent and marveloes steammodel from Roco...! Goofy
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pab		#24 Posted : 10 November 2008 21:47:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmrcnzjohn <br />well for those who have an interest, here is a great site for DRG railway pictures http://www.eisenbahnstif...tion=galery&thema=64 What has this to do about BR23...? We are writing about BR23,which did becomes after world war 2...! BR23 has only been in DB under the lifetime. We are also writing about an model BR23. Roco did created an new BR23 and i have seen it...! Excellent and marveloes steammodel from Roco...! Goofy Wrong! According to my information the 23 001 and 002 were build in 1941, so DRG. Even with Wagner smoke deflectors. After WW II both the DB and the DR build new BR 23 type locomotives. The DB 105 and the DR 111. The last DB loc, the 23 023 went out of service in 1975 and is now in the Netherlands (SSN)
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kimballthurlow		#25 Posted : 10 November 2008 22:53:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,769 Location: Brisbane, Australia		To add to Piet's post above (... excellent photo Piet), the two 23 class built in 1941 had a larger boiler. Unfortunately, I don't have measurements. The post-war engines had other design differences, such as enclosed cab, new tender style, and various modernised fittings. regards Kimball
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steventrain		#26 Posted : 10 November 2008 23:05:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,714 Location: United Kingdom		Nice picture, Pab.
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intruder		#27 Posted : 10 November 2008 23:35:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Thanks fro the interesting link, mmrcnzjohn. And thanks for the nice photo, Piet.
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pab		#28 Posted : 10 November 2008 23:39:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764		Thanks Steven Kimball I know about the differences. The DR en DB locs are different too. But the DRG has a 23 too, that was the point.
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pab		#29 Posted : 10 November 2008 23:40:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by intruder And thanks for the nice photo, Piet. Thanks Svein
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kimballthurlow		#30 Posted : 11 November 2008 00:06:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,769 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi Piet, Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:But the DRG has a 23 too, that was the point. Yes correct. I was attempting to clarify this for readers. Unfortunately, I have never seen a photo of the 1941 version. Do you know of any sources? I could not find one in the DRG link. Anyway, I am sure this 23 class will be hugely popular with Märklin customers. regards Kimball
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mmrcnzjohn		#31 Posted : 11 November 2008 07:05:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 558 Location: ,		Hi Kimball, I think that Trix actually did a fine art model of it a number of years ago. As for pictures, I have no idea. Who knows Marklin have a choice of 3 class 23, all subtly differerent to choose from. No doubt it will be the DB version they have selected. John Doesn't live in a glass house and doesn't throw stones
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mmrcnzjohn		#32 Posted : 11 November 2008 08:31:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 558 Location: ,		where there is a will there is a way! http://de.geocities.com/baureihe23/bei_der_DRG.htm
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kimballthurlow		#33 Posted : 11 November 2008 09:10:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,769 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi, That is a great link with the DRG 23 class picture. regards Kimball
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Goofy		#34 Posted : 11 November 2008 11:23:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,308		Strange... I have only seen BR23 as DB model or prototyp too. Never ever heard about BR23 DRG...! Goofy
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Bigdaddynz		#35 Posted : 11 November 2008 12:43:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmrcnzjohn <br />where there is a will there is a way! http://de.geocities.com/baureihe23/bei_der_DRG.htm Translation??
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Sander van Wijk		#36 Posted : 11 November 2008 12:54:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		Hi all, Just some more thoughts regarding a DRG BR 23, first of all, it did exist. As a start, the translation (done electronically, hence rather poor English, but readable) of the posted link: http://tinyurl.com/57pko2 For more information, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Class_23 As can be observed, the number of DRG BR 23's is limited to only two. The larger series were produced later, in the DB era. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB_Class_23 Secondly, Trix indeed produced an Altbau (old construction) BR 23 in DRG livery as a Fine Art model. For an overview of models, see: http://www.osterthun.com...20-39/Baureihe~23Alt.htm
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Goofy		#37 Posted : 11 November 2008 13:08:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,308		It´s looks like more BR35 than BR23... Goofy
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jeehring		#38 Posted : 11 November 2008 15:08:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimballthurlow <br />To add to Piet's post above (... excellent photo Piet), the two 23 class built in 1941 had a larger boiler. Unfortunately, I don't have measurements. The post-war engines had other design differences, such as enclosed cab, new tender style, and various modernised fittings. regards Kimball Right! The two BR23 from DRG are not like other BR23 . Many differences . A DRG BR 23 model has been made by Trix already in short run. Nice model ( expensive too). It was in the very special serie : "fine art models" .You can see pictures on early 2000 Trix catalogs .
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RayF		#39 Posted : 11 November 2008 15:11:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,873 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Yes Goofy, 23001 was renumbered as 35 2001-2 in 1970. Ray
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pab		#40 Posted : 11 November 2008 22:43:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764		In one my books, Das grosse Loktypen Buch (2001), are pictures of the DRG, the DB and the DR version. Publishing the picture in this forum would be a violation of copyright I think. The book has a short description and facts about every? german loc of the DRG, DB and DR. Found it in Trier (Germany) a few years ago.
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kimballthurlow		#41 Posted : 11 November 2008 22:58:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,769 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Thanks Sander, great links. Hi Piet, that sounds like a very useful book, do you have the publisher's name? regards Kimball
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pab		#42 Posted : 11 November 2008 23:51:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764		Hi Kimball Das grossen Loktypenbuch by Thomas Estler. ISBN 3-613-71159-1 Transpress Verlag PO Box 103743 70032 Stuttgart First edition 2001
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kimballthurlow		#43 Posted : 12 November 2008 02:52:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,769 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Thanks Piet. I will hunt one down. regards Kimball
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pab		#44 Posted : 12 November 2008 20:53:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimballthurlow <br />Thanks Piet. I will hunt one down. regards Kimball You're welcome
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john black		#45 Posted : 14 November 2008 22:55:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mvd71 <br />I'm sure Marklin will only start production of a new BR23 to frustrate me because I've only recently put sound, telex, and smoke unit into my ancient model [:I] Nothing ever to regret, Mike - yours is the one and only classic [:p]
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Osterthun		#46 Posted : 01 December 2008 16:36:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 111 Location: Netherlands		Dear gents (and damsels, if there are ladies dwelling in the midst of our presence), To simplify and summarise the discussion above, we generally speak of: 1. Baureihe 23 Altbau (a true Einheitslokomotive) = DRG 23 001 - 23 002 (which became a Reko 35.20 in DDR era). 2. Baureihe 23 Neubau (which is a true Neubaulokomotive, like BR 10, 65, 66, 82 etc.) See my Modeslist, to which Sander so kindly refers. BR 23 Altbau = http://www.osterthun.com/2b.mod...20-39/Baureihe~23Alt.htm BR 23 Neubau = http://www.osterthun.com/2b.mod...20-39/Baureihe~23Neu.htm Frits Osterthun
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Minibahn		#47 Posted : 07 January 2009 23:40:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/05/2004(UTC) Posts: 137 Location: ,		Hello, excuse me if these links are not new for You : http://www.modellbahneck...html/dampflok_br_23.html http://catalog.lokshop.de/MAR/2009.23.pdf http://catalog.lokshop.de/TRX/2009.23.pdf
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Osterthun		#48 Posted : 14 April 2009 14:22:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 111 Location: Netherlands		I like to add a volume of GeraNova in the series Bahn Extra Nr. 3/2001 Juni/Juli: Neubau-Dampfloks DB/DR Frits
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