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Offline GERSON  
#1 Posted : 30 May 2002 13:02:40(UTC)
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Hi,Experts,All!
Have anyone the experience of use the Roco cleaningcar (46400)if? What about the resault? Is this best way (smoothless)to make the job?

Offline chris.busby  
#2 Posted : 30 May 2002 13:46:23(UTC)
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The Roco wagon relies on abrasives to clean the rails and works quite well. However, whilst this cleans them short term, like all other abrasive systems it leaves very fine scores in the track which collect even more dirt for the future.
We always use a piece of cork floor tile and a little methalayted spirits to clean track. The cork is naturally grippy but smooth and polishes the rails rather than removing the top surface.

Chris.

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Offline KLB  
#3 Posted : 30 May 2002 16:14:27(UTC)
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Hi all,
There are also other track cleaning cars for Märklin.Flieschmann makes one (rails only) Also see Lux:

http://www.lux-modellbau.de/

and Herkat:

http://www.herkat.de/

I have a Herkat cleaning car.They have a rotating pad to clean the rails,and also wiper so it will not snag on the center studs.You can also add a cleaning solution to it and it has an adjustment needle to control the flow of fluid.
They are in bier wagen livery<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Offline Webmaster  
#4 Posted : 31 May 2002 00:17:21(UTC)
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I have tried the Roco car on Märklin K-track. I cut the pad so it could negotiate turnouts (almost...). But I did not find it good enough in my eyes, since the cleaning effect was not so good regarding oil sludge and such - it just smeared it out evenly... It is also a heavy load on the loco, so trying to pull it around on oily tracks can be rather cumbersome. I have got the Herkat car now upon Kevins recommendation, but have not tried it yet. Knowing myself, I will probably end up with the Lux set of digital vacuum & cleaning car + battery pack car later in life.... <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Offline KLB  
#5 Posted : 31 May 2002 20:30:10(UTC)
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Hi all,
A friend of mine did not buy the digital version of the Lux wagens as it was priced much too high.He did however install a simple single function decoder to turn the unit on and off.<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Offline GERSON  
#6 Posted : 10 July 2002 10:25:08(UTC)
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Hi, all!
Yesterday I received a Herkat cleaniningcar 1356 (Thanks for your advice Kevin) from Lokshop. It´s delivered with 3 different cleaning pads + 1 on the car, there is also a tank for cleaning solution with an adjustable jet to for the flow. I´ve tried the car (without solution) just with feltpad and rubberpad but there´s no cleaning effects with just this. I can draw my fingers afterwards and there´s still a black streak on it.(Glad I´m not ordered the Roco car) I suppose the only way is to try cleaning solution, Herkat suggest SR 24 which I forgot to order.So my question is: can I use some other liquid i can by in a chemical shop maybee? (Kevin what do you use) (Webmaster what do you think about T-Red) Do someone else have any suggestion? Thanks in advance!


Offline KLB  
#7 Posted : 10 July 2002 16:09:33(UTC)
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Hi GERSON,all,

&gt;&gt;I suppose the only way is to try cleaning solution, Herkat suggest SR 24 which I forgot to order.So my question is: can I use some other liquid i can by in a chemical shop maybee? &lt;&lt;

The SR 24 is Herkat's smoke fluid also.I use isopropyl alcohol for the cleaning fluid.It's inexpensive,cleans well and evaporates quickly.You want to open the needle just enough to let the smallest amount of fluid drip on the pad.Too much and the loks drivers slip,which is kind of prototypical<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>
My ideal set up is this: to have two Herkat cleaning cars,one with fluid and one without,being pulled by 2 BR44's,that should really clean the tracks!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Offline Webmaster  
#8 Posted : 10 July 2002 23:28:57(UTC)
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Shame on me, I haven't tried my own Herkat yet... Hmmm, GERSON, so you got extra cleaning pads with yours? I didn't, but I got the 1352... "T-red" would be fine, I think, especially with Kevin's recommendation to use an alcohol-based cleaning agent. Don't forget to tell us the results...
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Offline tayloma  
#9 Posted : 11 July 2002 15:56:43(UTC)
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Hi all

Just a thought - is one of the main advntages of running Marklin not that you very seldom need to clean the rails?

Regards

Mark
Offline USS-Spectre  
#10 Posted : 11 July 2002 16:15:46(UTC)
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True. If you look at the big picture you do not need to clean the rails very often. This of course depends on how much you are running on it. It is better just to clean the track from time to time to get all the grease of, at least on my track I really notice a difference in train behavior before and after I cleaned it.

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Offline Bookfwe  
#11 Posted : 01 October 2002 20:37:49(UTC)
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I currently have Marklin c-track. When I rub my finger over the tracks, my finger turns black. Also, my engines seem to come to a stop in the middle of the layout probably due to the dirt on the tracks. Who has the Herkat 1356 cleaning car, and does it work well? Or would suggest another cleaning method. Thanks

Offline chris.busby  
#12 Posted : 01 October 2002 23:38:28(UTC)
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Just one note on the Roco track cleaning wagon, or any other track cleaning wagon for that matter.
It is best to get the loco to PUSH the wagon round the layout instead of towing it. This means the loco runs on clean track instead of dirty, is less likely to slip and, most importantly, won't transfer all the muck to the wheels only to deposit it on the track again next time you run it!


Chris Busby
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Offline KLB  
#13 Posted : 01 October 2002 23:52:13(UTC)
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Hi Bookfwe,
Welcome to the Märklin-users.net forum!


&gt;&gt;I currently have Marklin c-track. When I rub my finger over the tracks, my finger turns black.&lt;&lt;

Dirt and traction tyers.

&gt;&gt; Also, my engines seem to come to a stop in the middle of the layout probably due to the dirt on the tracks. Who has the Herkat 1356 cleaning car, and does it work well? Or would suggest another cleaning method. &lt;&lt;

it works very well,see my post above.One other thing to remember is that cleaning your rails is a good thing,but also remember to clean your wheels also!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Offline Hans_Dietrich  
#14 Posted : 02 October 2002 18:23:33(UTC)
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Hi All!

I use a cleaning car from IHC in Santa Fe livery and hook it to the BR89.
Sorry for not being a purist. I could hook it to the F7, though. The car has a weighted felt pad that is moistened via a tank. The car came with cleaning fluid (mostly isopropanol = rubbing alcohol with a wetting ingredient = soap?) and works well for me. It does not clean the center contacts, though, but I found that these contact are rarely the problem. When the fluid is gone I will simply use isopropanol. The felt picks up a lot of black grime and can easily be replaced (three came with the car).

Hans

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Offline KLB  
#15 Posted : 02 October 2002 20:45:30(UTC)
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Hi all,
(Hopefully) my last word on the subject,...

The Herkat wagen has a brass strip that goes over the cleaning pad so it *does* wipe the center studs.I also put the Märklin wagen(4411) in this cleaning train because I found out that the pickup shoe(s) does the cleaning , that when my loks do stall it is because of some dirt on the studs(too true with digital).

Also isopropyl alcohol is a wetting agent,I use it(besides as a cleaning agent) for scenery.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Offline jcegido  
#16 Posted : 03 October 2002 02:52:57(UTC)
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Hi all,
Anyone of you has experienced both Herkat and Lux or has refence of both of them? In that case, wich one would you recomend?
Thanks again

Juan Carlos
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Offline McLae  
#17 Posted : 08 October 2002 07:18:50(UTC)
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Anyone try the Centerline cleaner car?
The addvertisements look good, but we all know how much to trust adds. :)

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Offline KLB  
#18 Posted : 08 October 2002 19:19:18(UTC)
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Hi all,
Guess *these* are my last words <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

jcegido,I have the Herkat wagen,it works very well.Several friends have the Lux cars and they also work well <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

McLae,anothe friend uses the Centerline car and it also works well.

Please remember to also clean your wheels too!Clean track is nice,but dirty wheels will just redeposit dirt <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Offline jcegido  
#19 Posted : 10 October 2002 02:27:45(UTC)
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Hi Kevin, all
Got it<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Offline Thanos  
#20 Posted : 11 February 2003 22:30:16(UTC)
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Hi all,

I have just got the Herkat 1356 cleaning car! My thoughts about it...
First of all it falls into the "you have to know German to be a true model railroader" category as the user manual is in German only! <img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>
I used it around my layout having my 37841 pushing it and I must admit that those rails really needed to be cleaned! The first brush was completely black (<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>) after I finished and I had to use a second one (thank god herkat includes three spare in the box) just to be sure that there was no dirt left. I have a couple of questions though...
How much fluid should be flowing off the valve? I mean how much should I untight the fluid controlling valve?
Then, which is the part number for the spare brushes and are there different types of brushes?

Cheers...


Thanos
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Offline KLB  
#21 Posted : 11 February 2003 23:59:52(UTC)
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Hi Thanos,all,

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I have a couple of questions though...
How much fluid should be flowing off the valve? I mean how much should I untight the fluid controlling valve?
Then, which is the part number for the spare brushes and are there different types of brushes?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana" size=1 id=quote>

Just enough to dampen the pad,this means open the needle up just a touch.Test it with your finger,remember damp not wet!<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

I do not know the item # for the spare pads,nor do I *think* they come in different textures.

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Offline Webmaster  
#22 Posted : 12 February 2003 00:05:39(UTC)
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Could it be comfortably easy to make these pads yourself from suitable pieces of cloth? Just wondering, since "original spare parts" are usually hideously overpriced, and are "out of stock" right when you need them?
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Offline tnx jake  
#23 Posted : 12 February 2003 00:14:53(UTC)
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Hi all,

I use the Centerline track cleaning car. Actually I use two of them. The first one is wet with lighter fluid and the second is dry to clean the residue from the tracks. I use them with C track and they are the best I have used.

I tried both the Lux and the Roco. Neither is as effective.

Jack

Offline KLB  
#24 Posted : 12 February 2003 04:10:17(UTC)
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Hi all,
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Could it be comfortably easy to make these pads yourself from suitable pieces of cloth? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana" size=1 id=quote>

Yes sir! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
That is exactly what I was thinking.The Herkat pads seem(to me) a tight woven felt pad,.....*go off to the fabric store *



<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I use the Centerline track cleaning car. Actually I use two of them. The first one is wet with lighter fluid and the second is dry to clean the residue from the tracks. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana" size=1 id=quote>

I have seen them in use Jack,they work great also.


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Offline Thanos  
#25 Posted : 12 February 2003 10:08:57(UTC)
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Hi Kevin, Juhan, all:

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Just enough to dampen the pad,this means open the needle up just a touch.Test it with your finger,remember damp not wet!<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana" size=1 id=quote>

Well the first time I placed the Herkat car on my layout everything on a 4cm radius was wet! I overdid it a little... hehehe <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_shy.gif border=0 align=middle>
Now I know...

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Could it be comfortably easy to make these pads yourself from suitable pieces of cloth? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana" size=1 id=quote>

These Herkat pads reminded me the 3M adhesive pads that can be used under pieces of furniture for no-scratching purposes. Such adhesive pads would be perfect!

Thanos
Thanos



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