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Offline Rudy  
#1 Posted : 27 June 2005 09:34:26(UTC)
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On my track, some locomotives seem to be more prone to "bad contact" and stop, while others have no problem whatsoever.

Can anyone give me advice on how to get these problem locs to run as well as the other ones?

I have taken off the pick-up shoe, checked that the pick-up shoe is not bend, tried to bend it so that there is more pressure on the shoe.

Thanks.
Offline steventrain  
#2 Posted : 27 June 2005 10:38:29(UTC)
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Welcome to the forum,Make sure cleaning pick up shoes and tracks.If pick shoes bend,get a new pick up shoes one.
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Offline Eisenhower  
#3 Posted : 27 June 2005 10:39:40(UTC)
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Hi Rudy

Welcome to the forum.

I use C-track - I dont know which track type you use - but I have had some similar problems in the past.

I fixed it by slightly rubbing the central studs with some very light abrasive paper.
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Offline nico van zon  
#4 Posted : 27 June 2005 13:25:34(UTC)
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You don't tell what type of loco gives a problem.
On bogie loco's the return current flows through the pivot point of the non-driven bogie. Sometimes dirt or rust on this spot causes a contact problem.
Offline Lars Westerlind  
#5 Posted : 27 June 2005 15:46:10(UTC)
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Wheels,
it seems to me they might be dirty, few, oxidised, or bad contact between wheel and chassis. Dirt is the easy one of course.
/Lars
Offline rugauger  
#6 Posted : 27 June 2005 17:16:39(UTC)
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Hi Rudy,

Just to confirm some of the suggestion already made, if the locos that run OK have longer pickup shoes than those that don't, then you're definitely looking at a problem with the centre studs. Make sure they're clean and free from rust.
Richard
Offline Rudy  
#7 Posted : 27 June 2005 23:22:23(UTC)
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Dear all,

Thank you for your comments. In hindsight, I think I should have been more clear and precise in putting my problem to you.

The loc that is running with no problem whatsoever is 37131. This is a tank loc. The loc that continues to stop every 10/20 cm is 37974. This is a loc with a bogie.

The 37131's pick-up shoe is longer than the 37974. I have cleaned the center studs with a piece of cloth, soaked in lighter fuel. I have tried even with a proprietary track cleaning liquid.

All to no avail. The 37974 continues to stop at seemingly random intervals.

I have cleaned the pick-up shoes, I have taken off the pick-up shoe and cleaned the contact on the bogie.

Frankly speaking, I am at a complete loss trying to understand why the 37974 continues to stop, especially at slow speeds. If I put it at very high speed, it continues, but you can see from the flickering of the front lights that there seems to be a contact issue.

Any further advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Rudy
Offline MärCo  
#8 Posted : 27 June 2005 23:30:16(UTC)
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— Bad wires.
— Bad or worn out motor brushes.
— Some wheels have contact clips. These might be corrupt.
— Dirty frame, so bad electric ground.
— Distant between underside wheels and underside current pickup is less than 2 mm.
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Offline perz  
#9 Posted : 28 June 2005 00:50:04(UTC)
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There are several possible causes:

1. Bad contact between track and wheels.
2. Bad contact between wheels and loco body.
3. Bad contact between the center studs and the pick-up shoe.
4. Bad contact between the pick-up shoe and the decoder.
5. Bad contact between the loco body and the decoder.
6. Bad solderings on the decoder.
7. Something it the loco or between the loco and the track that causes intermittent short circuit or over-current.

To resolve the problem you have to test and eliminate each of the possible causes one by one. For example, you can open the loco and connect a wire directly between the grounding point inside the loco and the transformer/control unit "brown", and give it a test run. If the problems still occur, it is probably not one of the reasons 1 or 2 above. Go on with similar tests to check the other possibilities, until you find the reason.
Offline McLae  
#10 Posted : 28 June 2005 06:03:43(UTC)
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Just remember, the current goed from the pukos to the slider, up the red wire to the decoder, down the Green wire to the motor, up the blue wire to the decoder again, down the brown wire to the chassie, from the chassie to the wheels, wheels to track.
Any dirt, loose connection, or corrosion anywhere on this path is bad.
You have to check every possibility.
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#11 Posted : 28 June 2005 11:17:13(UTC)
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The flickering of light clearly tells that the problem is not in the motor, brushes etc. In some cases (I've done that myself) you get a problem with the overlaod protection circuits in the decoder, if you have too much oil in the motor; however, I don't think this is the problem as the train travels more than a few centimeters, and that the light is flickering.

So I wote for 1, 2 or 3 in perz list as the most likely cuases. Could you tell how the track looks where the problems occurs? Straight or curved? Turnouts? Or just random? At one place you say 10-20 cm, at another - random. Can you be more precise?

/Lars
Offline foumaro  
#12 Posted : 28 June 2005 15:56:10(UTC)
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To much oil and dirty motor brushes maybeconfused
Offline nico van zon  
#13 Posted : 28 June 2005 17:34:20(UTC)
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Foumaro,

Lars had just concluded in the post before yours that the problem is not in the motor....
It must be somewhere in the current pickup path.
Offline H0  
#14 Posted : 28 June 2005 20:01:13(UTC)
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37131 is a tank loco with 2 bogies (at least that's how I understand bogie or truck).
Axle configuration: 1'C1'
37974 has no trucks (axle configuration C), but it has a tank car (dunno if it's used for the ground contact); this loco has an mfx decoder.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Rudy  
#15 Posted : 29 June 2005 09:36:17(UTC)
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Thank you for your suggestions.

I also have contact problems with 36800, which is a Koef. Is it usual that this loc has contact problems due to its small size and light weight? It struggles especially on turnouts, but also on normal straight track.
Offline Lars Westerlind  
#16 Posted : 29 June 2005 10:59:12(UTC)
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With oxidised or dirty rails, it's normal that light locos with few wheels behave worse. My main suspicion is towards this: that your track is not in best order. But of course not sure; when I have such problem (on M-track) it's not evenly distributed; some tracks are worse than others. The middle rail is seldom of great problem, the sliders 'grind' oxidation away; only problem was if the slider was bent. And the locos are new, so I doubt the wheel surface, or the contact between wheel and chassis are the problem. Why not make the test with a loose brown cable connected directly to the chassis and the trafo, and drive really slowly? You don't need to attach it; just drive to a spot where the loco stops, and see if you can get it to run by touching a wheel with a brown cable.

/Lars
Offline H0  
#17 Posted : 29 June 2005 19:51:44(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Rudy
<br />I also have contact problems with 36800, which is a Koef. Is it usual that this loc has contact problems due to its small size and light weight?

My 36800 is not very sensitive to dirt on the track. I think all model locos are too light to grind the dirt away, so weight shouldn't matter (much) here.
BTW: I normally use cork (from wine bottles) to clean the rails. You know your rails were dirty if the cork is black after rubbing them.
Regards
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Offline DasBert33  
#18 Posted : 29 June 2005 22:05:15(UTC)
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Tom,

Great tip about the cork !!! Never thought about it but it must be a very clean method to clean tracks...

...and an excellent excuse to drink more wine :)

Bert
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