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Offline paulhek  
#1 Posted : 28 March 2015 23:15:57(UTC)
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Hi all,
Lately I have been considering to buy a Central station 2. I have small layout with a mobile station 2, but with 13 switches, some decouple tracks and other switches on an m84, it is a bit fiddle in operating. Also I would really like to use the iPhone or iPad for controlling. However, I feel the CS 2, has an incredible steep price. The design is basically from 2008. So I have been looking for a 2nd hand CS 2.
I found two offers:
60213 €425 (demo model, power pack included)
60215 €550 (supposedly new, power pack included)

I still think it is awful lot of money for an old design, but I think it is very functional. Is there any notable difference between the 60213 and 60215?
And also, what about a real update from marklin? Are there any rumors there is gonna be a central station 3 anytime soon? Confused

Thanks,
Paul
Offline steventrain  
#2 Posted : 28 March 2015 23:40:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: paulhek Go to Quoted Post
Are there any rumors there is gonna be a central station 3 anytime soon? Confused

Thanks,
Paul


I heard two years ago but M have no plan for CS3 yet.

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Offline xxup  
#3 Posted : 29 March 2015 01:01:48(UTC)
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I agree.. The CS2 and eCOS hardware is now seven years old. While it functions well and reliably, I think that it is possibly limiting the development of new ideas in model railways. In the case of the eCOS, Marklin needs to consider licensing its mFx+ standard so that their customers have controller options. At the end of the day, it is Marklin that suffers as I will not buy any Mfx+ locos until the format can be fully supported by ESU..
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#4 Posted : 29 March 2015 04:28:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: paulhek Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,
Lately I have been considering to buy a Central station 2. I have small layout with a mobile station 2, but with 13 switches, some decouple tracks and other switches on an m84, it is a bit fiddle in operating. Also I would really like to use the iPhone or iPad for controlling. However, I feel the CS 2, has an incredible steep price. The design is basically from 2008. So I have been looking for a 2nd hand CS 2.
I found two offers:
60213 €425 (demo model, power pack included)
60215 €550 (supposedly new, power pack included)

I still think it is awful lot of money for an old design, but I think it is very functional. Is there any notable difference between the 60213 and 60215?
And also, what about a real update from marklin? Are there any rumors there is gonna be a central station 3 anytime soon? Confused

Thanks,
Paul


Hi Paul,

Save a search on ebay.de for M60215, there are occasionally some good prices from some dealers, better than 550euro.
If price is an issue , and isn't always Wink You may want to consider a CS1-R, but you may have to cast your search world wide for one of those. I have seen the odd one on ebay,com for a lot less. I use mine with Touchcab and my I Phone, and it is great. You would want some assurance from the vendor that a CS1-R is fully functional without screen shift or battery damage Scared The ESU "reloaded package comes with an adjustable switched mode power supply. New CS2's btw, do not but a dealer may offer a CS2 with a power pack as a package, make sure it is M60061.
You could try Lokshop, a lot of us on the forum world wide, buy from them and their shop pages ask,
"You did see this product at another dealer for less ? Please send us an e-mail or use the contact form. We would like to make you an offer"
You can open an account with them free of charge, but us out of the Eu have to pay a credit card processing charge ThumbDown
http://www.lokshop.info/
Click on Preise/Infos, then Marklin, then "6" to see the item then click on it's number to order !
or ; https://shop.lokshop.de/...?products_model=MAR60215

Best of luck with your search Wink Smile
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Online H0  
#5 Posted : 29 March 2015 08:16:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: xxup Go to Quoted Post
Marklin needs to consider licensing its mFx+ standard so that their customers have controller options.
They don't even license mfx - Viessmann and Zimo are waiting for such licenses, maybe others, too.

Regards
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Online H0  
#6 Posted : 29 March 2015 08:24:29(UTC)
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Hi, Paul!
Originally Posted by: paulhek Go to Quoted Post
Is there any notable difference between the 60213 and 60215?
The 60213 does not have galvanic insulation and the max. track output is 2.4 A.
The 60215 has galvanic insulation and the max. track output is 5 A, but for H0 gauge it should be limited to 3 A.

Notable difference, but should not be noticeable in real life. AFAIK there can be only one unit without galvanic insulation in a system. That'll make a difference if you ever consider buying a second CS2 for your layout.

The 60214 will be either a 60213 or a 60215 with respect to technical data.

All CS2 can use the same software, so a 60213 will get the latest software with the latest features and the latest translations ("No valid Lokomive adress!") as you'd get with a 60215.
Regards
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Offline Goofy  
#7 Posted : 29 March 2015 11:04:54(UTC)
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I agree that Märklin should change CS2.
But the problem are if it´s really necessary to upgrade software all the times,when we are talking about to drive locomotives and use digital functions?
Nothing else!
Maybe Märklin this time will start CS3 as complete digital system?
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#8 Posted : 13 April 2015 08:30:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I agree that Märklin should change CS2.
But the problem are if it´s really necessary to upgrade software all the times,when we are talking about to drive locomotives and use digital functions?
Nothing else!
Maybe Märklin this time will start CS3 as complete digital system?


Pardon Me Goofy, but how could you agree to something you have had no personal experience with, and obviously have no understanding of ???Confused Scared
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Offline Oliver nagel  
#9 Posted : 13 April 2015 14:01:27(UTC)
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Whats the difference between a 60213, 60214, (which I have) and 60215 ??Confused
Online H0  
#10 Posted : 13 April 2015 14:27:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Oliver nagel Go to Quoted Post
Whats the difference between a 60213, 60214, (which I have) and 60215 ??Confused
See post #6.

Regards
Tom
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Offline Goofy  
#11 Posted : 13 April 2015 18:04:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I agree that Märklin should change CS2.
But the problem are if it´s really necessary to upgrade software all the times,when we are talking about to drive locomotives and use digital functions?
Nothing else!
Maybe Märklin this time will start CS3 as complete digital system?


Pardon Me Goofy, but how could you agree to something you have had no personal experience with, and obviously have no understanding of ???Confused Scared


Upgrade...bugs...upgrade...bugs...upgrade...bugs...Huh
Of course i do understand and did tested CS2 too.
I´m not alone to get tired of problems which Märklin do offers to the customer.
That´s way i wanted to see complete digital system instead. ThumpUp
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Offline Purellum  
#12 Posted : 13 April 2015 18:45:41(UTC)
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Cool

Quote:
Upgrade...bugs...upgrade...bugs...upgrade...bugs...Huh
Of course i do understand and did tested CS2 too.


Interesting, where did you test a CS2, and which bugs did you find?

Per.

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Offline Modelleisenbahnfan  
#13 Posted : 13 April 2015 19:05:33(UTC)
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Hi,

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Upgrade...bugs...upgrade...bugs...upgrade...bugs...Huh
Of course i do understand and did tested CS2 too.
I´m not alone to get tired of problems which Märklin do offers to the customer.
That´s way i wanted to see complete digital system instead. ThumpUp

I've never had a problem or a bug.
There is one thing to know: If you have several mfx-locos, the CS needs a little (!) bit time until all had registered (I hope it's the right word).

kind regards

Robert
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Offline franciscohg  
#14 Posted : 13 April 2015 19:21:44(UTC)
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Mmmmmm, i had one.....the no TFP available, had to doseveral resets to get trough it, solved a couple of upgrades ago......
Anyway, so far I'm happy with the unit!
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Online H0  
#15 Posted : 13 April 2015 19:43:57(UTC)
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The CS2 has no bugs.

It only has issues. There is a separate thread for issues:
https://www.marklin-user...wn-issues.aspx#post11028

There are some funny "Easter eggs" in the English or French UI.
Regards
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Offline waorb  
#16 Posted : 13 April 2015 21:01:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
The CS2 has no bugs.
It only has issues.

This remember me a quote:

"A bug is a feature with seniority" BigGrin

Cheers,

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Offline Goofy  
#17 Posted : 14 April 2015 09:18:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Quote:
Upgrade...bugs...upgrade...bugs...upgrade...bugs...Huh
Of course i do understand and did tested CS2 too.


Interesting, where did you test a CS2, and which bugs did you find?

Per.

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Not me by present bugs...other people does. Flapper
I visit hobbystore and do find CS2,by testing it. Flapper

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Offline Goofy  
#18 Posted : 14 April 2015 09:20:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
The CS2 has no bugs.

There are some funny "Easter eggs" in the English or French UI.


No way really...?? BigGrin

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Offline Purellum  
#19 Posted : 14 April 2015 13:06:14(UTC)
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Not me by present bugs...other people does. Flapper


I think you read too many English and German magazines, and don't understand the text completely.

Per.

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Offline Webmaster  
#20 Posted : 14 April 2015 20:18:56(UTC)
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My 60215 CS2 works as well as expected, so I am not bugged by the updates... Wink
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#21 Posted : 15 April 2015 10:59:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Webmaster Go to Quoted Post
My 60215 CS2 works as well as expected, so I am not bugged by the updates... Wink


I think Goofy doesn't see the difference between updates for bugs, and updates for new features.Woot

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Offline nygma  
#22 Posted : 15 April 2015 22:33:11(UTC)
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MS3 and CS3 going wireless. That would be awesome. I am in scale 1, so even a 2m cable is a limit in many cases.
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Offline eroncelli  
#23 Posted : 16 April 2015 16:30:13(UTC)
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But CS2 can go "wireless": just use the app by Maerklin, either on mobile phone/pad or, since last December, on a PC.

By the way: my 60214 is working perfectly since many years: no real bug, so far.

Funny translations, oh yes !!, but not a real problem
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#24 Posted : 16 April 2015 16:46:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post


I visit hobbystore and do find CS2,by testing it. Flapper



Playing with a CS2 in a store does not constitute experience, as using one on your own layout does, especially if you have used another controller, there as well Bored
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Offline Goofy  
#25 Posted : 17 April 2015 17:37:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Quote:
Not me by present bugs...other people does. Flapper


I think you read too many English and German magazines, and don't understand the text completely.

Per.

Cool


Bug(s) is an error,flaw,failure or fault in a computer program or system(like CS2). Flapper

Cool

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Offline Goofy  
#26 Posted : 18 April 2015 05:48:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post


I visit hobbystore and do find CS2,by testing it. Flapper



Playing with a CS2 in a store does not constitute experience, as using one on your own layout does, especially if you have used another controller, there as well Bored


I did play test and it was enough to understand about CS2.
So yes it was constitute experience.

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Offline Purellum  
#27 Posted : 18 April 2015 21:42:20(UTC)
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Cool

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Bug(s) is an error,flaw,failure or fault in a computer program or system.


This statement is correct; but can you tell us or describe any bugs related to the CS2 ???

Quote:
I did play test and it was enough to understand about CS2.
So yes it was constitute experience.


Again, which bug(s) did you find ???

Flapper Flapper Flapper

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Offline Goofy  
#28 Posted : 19 April 2015 06:08:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

This statement is correct; but can you tell us or describe any bugs related to the CS2 ???

Again, which bug(s) did you find ???

Flapper Flapper Flapper

Per.

Cool


Sure!
Did tested an danish locomotive and it did run okey,but sounds was bad.
There was digital signals too,but it didn´t work as it should do.
All stuff was Märklin.
The reason of why i did wrote constitute experience was about to see the results by testing the CS2.
Not sure if this was some defaults with the CS2 or vice verse.
One thing is sure about CS2,other customer do have problems with the CS2 and MS2.
When there is defaults,there is bug(s).
So long CS2 are complicated,i will never ever buy this crap.
I wait one day until Märklin do start produce CS2 as complete digital system,that it´s not necessary to upgrade program anymore time.

Cool
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Offline Shamu  
#29 Posted : 19 April 2015 07:15:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post


Sure!
Did tested an danish locomotive and it did run okey,but sounds was bad.
There was digital signals too,but it didn´t work as it should do.
All stuff was Märklin.
The reason of why i did wrote constitute experience was about to see the results by testing the CS2.
Not sure if this was some defaults with the CS2 or vice verse.
One thing is sure about CS2,other customer do have problems with the CS2 and MS2.
When there is defaults,there is bug(s).
So long CS2 are complicated,i will never ever buy this crap.
I wait one day until Märklin do start produce CS2 as complete digital system,that it´s not necessary to upgrade program anymore time.

Cool


Anders,

I don't like to stick my nose in as I have very little hands on time with the CS2 myself but in all fairness......

If the loco had crappy sound well that is the sound decoder in the loco and nothing to do with the CS2.

Likewise if the signals were not working as expected "perhaps" they were never installed correctly or perhaps only for show..... not necessarily the fault of the CS2 but maybe a installation problem.

As long as any digital system (does not matter who makes it) uses microprocessors it must use software that will need updating for bugs (undocumented features Laugh) or simply to add new features or functions.

How many times has your new Apple laptop had updates since you bought it ? My 2 Mac's, iPad and iPod would on average update (of some sort) every 6 weeks. Same with my PC and Android devices.

I assume you do update it, likewise your old computer. Do you think they are any "less" for needing regular updates ?

The alternative is a hardcoded digital subsystem that can never be updated and is frozen in time, no new features/locos/anything, I'm reasonably positive you would not be happy with that in the long run either.

I understand its is hard to grasp the subtleties of English and maybe that is half the problem in trying to discuss "bugs/features/updates"

Hope you understand what I'm trying to get across BigGrin

Edited by user 19 April 2015 14:20:50(UTC)  | Reason: Typo

Sad when its cheaper to buy a new 29640 starter set from Germany than a CS2 on its own in Oz, welcome to the joys of Marklin down under .
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Offline Goofy  
#30 Posted : 19 April 2015 07:35:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Shamu Go to Quoted Post


Anders,

I don't like to stick my nose in as I have very little hands on time with the CS2 myself but in all fairness......

If the loco had crappy sound well that is the sound decoder in the loco and nothing to do with the CS2.

Likewise if the signals were not working as expected "perhaps" they were never installed correctly or perhaps only for show..... not necessarily the fault of the CS2 but maybe a installation problem.

As long as any digital system (does not matter who makes it) uses microprocessors it must use software that will need updating for bugs (undocumented features Laugh) or simply to add new features or functions.

How many times has your new Apple laptop had updates since you bought it ? My 2 Mac's, iPad and iPod would on average update (of some sort) every 6 weeks. Same with my PC and Android devices.

I assume you do update it, likewise your old computer. Do you think they are any "less" for needing regular updates ?

The alternative is a hardcoded digital subsystem that can never be updated and is frozen in time, no new features/locos/anything, I'm reasonable positive you would not be happy with that in the long run either.

I understand its is hard to grasp the subtleties of English and maybe that is half the problem in trying to discuss "bugs/features/updates"

Hope you understand what I'm trying to get across BigGrin


You only put locomotive on the track and start drive by control digital and with functions.
That´s all folks! Laugh

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Offline Purellum  
#31 Posted : 19 April 2015 08:52:17(UTC)
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So long CS2 are complicated,i will never ever buy this crap.


You nailed that like a split hog.

LOL LOL LOL

How come you never mentioned this when we met at the Märklin Digital Days in Kystbanen in Denmark?

You had all the chances to talk to the Märklin representative and tell him about you views.

Maybe analogue DC would be better for you.

Per.

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Offline Goofy  
#32 Posted : 19 April 2015 09:15:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Quote:
So long CS2 are complicated,i will never ever buy this crap.


You nailed that like a split hog.

LOL LOL LOL

How come you never mentioned this when we met at the Märklin Digital Days in Kystbanen in Denmark?

You had all the chances to talk to the Märklin representative and tell him about you views.

Maybe analogue DC would be better for you.

Per.

Cool


I was talked about the new crocodile with the Märklin representative .
Also about steam locomotive new function with the coal bunker in the tendern rise down and rise up.
It has nothing to do with the CS2.
So Per you misunderstand by nailed as split hog. BigGrin
No i keep on with the digital,but not with the CS2 so long it´s complicated. Flapper

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Offline NZMarklinist  
#33 Posted : 19 April 2015 10:03:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Quote:
So long CS2 are complicated,i will never ever buy this crap.


You nailed that like a split hog.

LOL LOL LOL

How come you never mentioned this when we met at the Märklin Digital Days in Kystbanen in Denmark?

You had all the chances to talk to the Märklin representative and tell him about you views.

Maybe analogue DC would be better for you.

Per.

Cool


I was talked about the new crocodile with the Märklin representative .
Also about steam locomotive new function with the coal bunker in the tendern rise down and rise up.
It has nothing to do with the CS2.
So Per you misunderstand by nailed as split hog. BigGrin
No i keep on with the digital,but not with the CS2 so long it´s complicated. Flapper

Cool



Missed it by a country mile again Bored
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Offline Modelleisenbahnfan  
#34 Posted : 19 April 2015 10:20:53(UTC)
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Hi,

I'm very happy with the possibility of the software to update resp. to upgrade.
If you can't update, Märklin would be forced to develop new Central Stations f.e. every three years.
And if you - as user - want to have the new features, you have to buy a new Central Station.
Who wouldn't complain about a system like that?

In addition: Software could have bugs. If you can't update, you can't "kill" the bugs. It's the same with computer software like Windows etc.

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Robert
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#35 Posted : 19 April 2015 16:42:57(UTC)
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I was talked about the new crocodile with the Märklin representative .
Also about steam locomotive new function with the coal bunker in the tendern rise down and rise up.
It has nothing to do with the CS2.
So Per you misunderstand by nailed as split hog. BigGrin
No i keep on with the digital,but not with the CS2 so long it´s complicated. Flapper

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But the cs2 needed an update so the coal bunker could operate, as the concept of Marklin Operations didn't exist when the cs2 was first designed.

I bet you cannot operate the coal bunker with your mobile stationFlapper
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#36 Posted : 19 April 2015 20:41:10(UTC)
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Since Goofy has some profound ideas about the CS2 being crap without owning one, it is not worth to make a big issue out of it.

I have a 60215 CS2 and it works fine, but I don't have the digital signals and a bad sound decoder/speaker is a bad sound decoder/speaker.
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#37 Posted : 19 April 2015 22:30:12(UTC)
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Quote:
Since Goofy has some profound ideas about the CS2 being crap without owning one, it is not worth to make a big issue out of it.


I'm sorry Juhan, but I disagree.

A lot of us have a CS2 ( And a lot of other Märklin stuff ) and this more or less constant bashing of things he hasn't got a clue about sometimes gets too much.

Locomotives are "crap", MFX is "crap", parts made in China are "crap", CS2 is "crap", some days AC is "crap", other days it's DC.

People how don't know Goofy might read his rants and believe what he writes.

The only thing the rest of us can do, is to expose that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

And I intend to do so as long as it goes on like this.

Regards

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#38 Posted : 26 April 2015 11:45:49(UTC)
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I'm sorry Juhan, but I disagree.

A lot of us have a CS2 ( And a lot of other Märklin stuff ) and this more or less constant bashing of things he hasn't got a clue about sometimes gets too much.

Locomotives are "crap", MFX is "crap", parts made in China are "crap", CS2 is "crap", some days AC is "crap", other days it's DC.

People how don't know Goofy might read his rants and believe what he writes.

The only thing the rest of us can do, is to expose that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

And I intend to do so as long as it goes on like this.

Regards

Per.

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Well...one thing is so sure about the crap...i didn´t start topic by present craps. Flapper

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#39 Posted : 26 April 2015 12:51:33(UTC)
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The only 'bug' in the CS2 that I am aware of (and have experienced) is when the CS2 is used with the Viessmann 5224 Signal Controller, is that they seemed to have got the signal lights when controlled from the CS2 keyboard around the wrong way - HP1 becomes HP2 (i.e. you select HP1 but get HP2 shown on the signal) and vice versa.

When used with the Ecos with the same Viessmann modules and wiring, everything is fine, so I'm quite sure this is a CS2 'feature' not a problem with the Viessmann modules. Clapcott hummed knowingly when I mentioned this to him, so I think he has seen the problem also.
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#40 Posted : 26 April 2015 12:54:23(UTC)
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Well...one thing is so sure about the crap...i didn´t start topic by present craps.


No, but you sure fill the threads up with crap in very short order! Enough is enough - you've been warned about this before!
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#41 Posted : 28 April 2015 09:22:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Well...one thing is so sure about the crap...i didn´t start topic by present craps.


No, but you sure fill the threads up with crap in very short order! Enough is enough - you've been warned about this before!


The problem to fill the threads up with crap do presents by of others too.
I do have problem with my new BR64 for the second time,with the speed in the curves at the low speed.
It stops sometimes and i write,it´s crap!
You cannot give me warning,when it´s fully right by presents defaults by of Märklin.
Even ESU do have craps in theirs Ecos.
Members do write defaults and when it happens to often,the system is crap.
I believe Märklin will start an new CS3 and keeps on with the upgrades,which you do might expecting that there will been sometimes bugs too.
Oh damn...it´s crap again! Laugh

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#42 Posted : 28 April 2015 09:47:35(UTC)
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Oh damn...it´s crap again! Laugh
That summarizes your post. LOL

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#43 Posted : 28 April 2015 09:57:54(UTC)
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It seems that Goofy is the only one complaining about almost everything.
Most of CS2 users are fine with this device: since the first model, years ago, Maerklin have been issuing a lot of new features (and of course, made correction to some errors).
Changing the HW every 2/3 years is not a sign of great technology: CS2 was a valid solution since the very beginning and can easily be used for a long time.
A CS3 would have a cost impact on market and should have real great improvement: so far CS2 with mfx+ decoder is on top, as other manufacturers can't compete with it (not only because M doesn't disclose itd mfx+ SW).
Now we can duplicate the CS2 on a PC with a larger display: that's really comfortable.
And one can use mobile devices (smartphones, PADs etc).
And connect with train control systems on PC for a full automated system.
So what else do we need ?
Finally, if a loco is not running, probably the cause is not in the CS (whatever the brand) but in the loco itself or in the tracks (dirty ??) and connections (voltage drop ?)
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#44 Posted : 28 April 2015 10:15:47(UTC)
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Now we can duplicate the CS2 on a PC with a larger display: that's really comfortable.
The PC version runs fast and fluent. The real CS2 is not always fast and not always fluent.
ESU has shown with the Central Station 60212 that software upgrades can vastly improve performance. Upgraded hardware (CS3) can improve speed without optimizing the software. Availability of hardware components could also be a reason to make a CS3 with better hardware specifications

I prefer the ECoS 60212 over the CS2 (I don't need mfx+). Goofy calls them both "crap".
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#45 Posted : 28 April 2015 10:37:56(UTC)
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Hello everybody,

I'm trying to connect CS2 60213 and IPad using Marklin Main station app.
The manual I found in the web https://www.marklin.com/...letter_2_11_Vol_23.2.pdf says I need to connect CS2 and WLAN router with the cable.
Since that manual was issued in 2011, the question is:

is it still necessary to use the cable between router and CS2? No wireless connection introduced yet? If CS2 technically allows such wireless connection, of course.

Thanks for your comments.

Andrey
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#46 Posted : 28 April 2015 11:42:38(UTC)
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You still need a WLAN cable (*) to connect the CS2 to your WLAN router - or use another external WLAN adapter for the CS2.
The CS2 does not have built-in WLAN. That's another feature that might come with a CS3.

(*) just kidding - a normal LAN cable will do if you do not have a WLAN cable.
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#47 Posted : 28 April 2015 19:43:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Andrey Go to Quoted Post
Hello everybody,

I'm trying to connect CS2 60213 and IPad using Marklin Main station app.
The manual I found in the web https://www.marklin.com/...letter_2_11_Vol_23.2.pdf says I need to connect CS2 and WLAN router with the cable.
Since that manual was issued in 2011, the question is:

is it still necessary to use the cable between router and CS2? No wireless connection introduced yet? If CS2 technically allows such wireless connection, of course.

Thanks for your comments.

Andrey


As Tom says, you need a cable.

The CS2 has never had wireless hardware in it, and I doubt it has the software to run a USB Wireless Dongle.

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#48 Posted : 28 April 2015 22:55:21(UTC)
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You cannot give me warning......


Don't push your luck!
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Offline Goofy  
#49 Posted : 29 April 2015 18:29:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
You cannot give me warning......


Don't push your luck!


Crap is a slang term for feces,and used as a colloquialism to describe to something substandard.
Somebody did start used this word "crap" by present 3 pole motor.
And it wasn´t me! Flapper
What i´m not surprised,is when Märklin do one day present another new CS.
The real problem is if they do it...
Whatever you write David,you cannot give me another warning,when i do present products which do have defaults too and saying:What a crap! Flapper

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#50 Posted : 29 April 2015 22:09:29(UTC)
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Good old days

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