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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#1 Posted : 15 March 2015 15:28:41(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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Hello,
I bought a few weeks ago three"Silver Coins" four-axle passenger cars, one of them a driving trailer. In Germany, this type is called "Hasenkasten" or translated "rabbit box".
These are old 24cm metal waggons without interior. But hey, the price was cheap and I like them. So I planned to install head lights and interior lights. Of course, the head light should be able to switch from white to red and it shozld be done with LED technique, to reduce power consumption, the light should be switchable by a function decoder and a buffer capacitor should prevent the light from flickering.

Here are some first pictures!

This picture shows the original existing fibre optics, able to control white and red signals separetly! Well done, Märklin!

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The white head lights have only very small diameters, the red lights are very big. This is correct!

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The white head light LEDs are mounted on the upper side. I used three LEDs, one shining to the left, one to the top and one to the right into the fibre optics:

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The interior light is realized with a self adhesive LED stripe, the function decoder is bonded into the roof, too.

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First check of the LED head lights:

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... and of the LED rear lights:

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... and finally the interior lights:

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As You can see, the LED lights have small connectors, to be able to disconnect the roof from the chassis.

Edited by user 19 March 2015 08:29:10(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline danmarklinman  
#2 Posted : 15 March 2015 21:46:49(UTC)
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Hi what function decoder did you use, as I want to fit my SNCB coaches with oneBigGrin cheers Dan
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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#3 Posted : 15 March 2015 23:15:07(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
Hi what function decoder did you use, as I want to fit my SNCB coaches with oneBigGrin cheers Dan


Hi Dan,
Here I used an Uhlenbrock 76900 but I have also good experience with tams FD-R and FD-R Extended.

Both can be buffered with a capacitor, that's very important for me.

The Uhlenbrock is a bit unfriendly, because you need a bulb or motor on AUX1 to be able to program it. If there is only a LED with high resistor value, you can't program the decoder! I used today a 220 Ohm resistor on AUX1 parallel to the head light LEDs.

Moritz
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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#4 Posted : 19 March 2015 08:22:09(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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Next step was to mount the hot shoe to the bogie. I also soldered a cable directly onto the bogie to have good electric contact. The Electric from the bogie is connected by a small connector plug to the decoder under the roof.

Here is a first impression in a short video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3D8IfDNSFY

And a picture of the buffer capacitor under the roof:
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Next things to do:
- reduce the light shining into the window plexiglas
- power plug to provide light power to the next waggon
- connect relais for the power plug

Finally, the function decoder will provide the following functions:

F0: Head light white
F1: Rear lights red
F2: Interior light
F3: Switch on Power Plug (for additional connected waggons)

Edited by user 20 March 2015 07:36:05(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline hwestl  
#5 Posted : 25 March 2015 22:59:50(UTC)
hwestl

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Location: Ystad, Sweden
Hi Moritz

I got inspired by your work ThumpUp
So I started to test myself with the same or similair LED-strip, connected to the track (1 kOhm resistor), but it flickers.

What is value/measurement of your capacitor and how did you connect it?
I would be grateful if you could give me some details.

Picture of my simple test (the TEE-wagon still has ordinary bulbs). The LEDs are a bit blue/white, but fixing that will be after "flicker-free project"

Test LED-strip

Thanks
Håkan

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 26 March 2015 00:09:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hwestl Go to Quoted Post
Hi Moritz

I got inspired by your work ThumpUp
So I started to test myself with the same or similair LED-strip, connected to the track (1 kOhm resistor), but it flickers.

What is value/measurement of your capacitor and how did you connect it?
I would be grateful if you could give me some details.

Picture of my simple test (the TEE-wagon still has ordinary bulbs). The LEDs are a bit blue/white, but fixing that will be after "flicker-free project"

Test LED-strip

Thanks
Håkan



That is where you need warm white LEDS instead of cool white ones, or for gas lamps or early incandescent you may even want yellow ones.

Also you could run them at a much lower current as coach lighting wasn't that bright, and if it was gas lighting then probably even dimmer again.

Offline hwestl  
#7 Posted : 26 March 2015 07:17:22(UTC)
hwestl

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Location: Ystad, Sweden
They are actually warm white. I bought the LED-strip at Kjell & Co in Sweden, but here is a link to the same strip: LED-strip
I have already reduced the current, but of course, I can try reduce it more. But I doubt that this will make it less white

Thanks
Håkan
Offline Moritz-BR365  
#8 Posted : 26 March 2015 08:05:14(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

Germany   
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Hello Hakan,

Originally Posted by: hwestl Go to Quoted Post
So I started to test myself with the same or similair LED-strip, connected to the track (1 kOhm resistor), but it flickers.


Did You connect the LED stripe directly to the rail power? You need a bridge rectifier, to convert the digital current into DC current.

Originally Posted by: hwestl Go to Quoted Post

What is value/measurement of your capacitor and how did you connect it?
I would be grateful if you could give me some details.

See my circuit plan below. When You connect the LED stripe to the decoder, the LED stripe shouldn't flicker. In my circuit for the "Silver Coins" passenger car, the LED stripe is connected to the decoder.

The capacitor is connected to the decoder, to buffer the decoder power.

See the full circuit plan of my double decker carriages:
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Here You see the buffer circuit for the function decoder:
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The following picture shows two differnet circuits for buffering the LED stripe, when connected directly to the rail current. The lower circuit is the one, I prefer for LEDs, because it is more simple and You have no lost in the Schottky Diode. The upper one is better, when there is a high current (see my calculation here: https://www.marklin-user...waggons.aspx#post457625)

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Offline hwestl  
#9 Posted : 26 March 2015 09:00:43(UTC)
hwestl

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Location: Ystad, Sweden
THANK YOU very much Moritz, exactly the info I needed.ThumpUp
Now I'll attack my workbenchBigGrin
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