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Offline RayF  
#1 Posted : 20 February 2015 22:19:39(UTC)
RayF

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Today I installed a brand new lokpilot V4 into my Primex 3193 Br01 but I cant get it to respond in digital mode at all Using my MS2

I checked that all the wiring is correct.

A Hamo magnet is installed and mechanically the loco runs freely.

I tested the loco in analog mode using a 6647 transformer and it runs flawlessly.

I entered the address manually as 03, but the loco does not react in any way.

I tried the find function. Sometimes the lights Flash during the search, sometimes they don't. A couple of times the search found loco3, other times it found loco 60 (?). In none of these cases did the loco respond to the found address.

I entered the loco manually as a dcc loco. It returns the address as 03 under cv01, but doesn't respond to this address.

I've tried reseting the decoder and the MS2.

Can anyone help?

Edited by user 23 February 2015 11:07:17(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Offline Oliver nagel  
#2 Posted : 20 February 2015 22:36:29(UTC)
Oliver nagel

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Try using MM2 on the programing track with the lok.
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Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 20 February 2015 22:46:02(UTC)
RayF

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Originally Posted by: Oliver nagel Go to Quoted Post
Try using MM2 on the programing track with the lok.


Thanks Oliver, but I'm using a MS2, and there's no programming track output. I've tried both mm2 and dcc with the same results.
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Mark5  
#4 Posted : 21 February 2015 04:03:23(UTC)
Mark5

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Very curious about the results of this Ray.
Does the decoder come with a pre-set address because of pre-installed sounds.
Wondering what your dealer would say about this.

- Mark

DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70.
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Offline jvuye  
#5 Posted : 21 February 2015 05:46:00(UTC)
jvuye

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Which version of the lokpilot are you using?
If it's the M4 /Mfx version it should detect automatically.
If the DCC/MOT version, try reading the CV in DCC mode.CV1 should return address 03.
All these decoders are easily programmable in DCC mode

If that works...you can program and select the operation inMarklin fx mode and all the other options, starting with motor regulation parameters

Keep us posted.

Cheers

Jacques
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Offline RayF  
#6 Posted : 21 February 2015 08:34:09(UTC)
RayF

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Thanks for your replies.

It's a Lokpilot V4, no sound, no mfx.

CV 1 returns address 03 in dcc mode. When I try to run it using address 03 it does not respond.

I have several other Lokpilots V2, V3 and V4 installed in other locos and have no problems with any of them.

I'm beginning to suspect a faulty decoder....
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline RayF  
#7 Posted : 21 February 2015 10:01:23(UTC)
RayF

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Gentlemen, I have to apologise for wasting your time. It seems it's an M4 decoder after all. Lokshop sent me the wrong one, but I'm not complaining!

I found this morning that it had registered itself on my MS2. Don't know why it didn't yesterday?
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Offline jvuye  
#8 Posted : 21 February 2015 17:40:47(UTC)
jvuye

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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Gentlemen, I have to apologise for wasting your time. It seems it's an M4 decoder after all. Lokshop sent me the wrong one, but I'm not complaining!

I found this morning that it had registered itself on my MS2. Don't know why it didn't yesterday?


Great.
The simpler the solution, the better.But we love to try to solve enigmas. 😉


Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
Offline RayF  
#9 Posted : 21 February 2015 20:50:35(UTC)
RayF

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I found the lokpilots M4 registration very unreliable on my MS2. For now I have disabled mfx protocol on the decoder using cv47 and I'm running using dcc, though I might use MM2 in the future for simplicity.
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline mike c  
#10 Posted : 21 February 2015 20:59:29(UTC)
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I think there may be some issues when multiple locomotives are registered on the MS2 using the default address, especially if one is DCC and the other one MM or Mfx. Makes me very happy to have a Lokprogrammer available. You can only modify ESU settings, but you can test all functions on any MM/MfX or DCC loco.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline jvuye  
#11 Posted : 21 February 2015 21:37:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I think there may be some issues when multiple locomotives are registered on the MS2 using the default address, especially if one is DCC and the other one MM or Mfx. Makes me very happy to have a Lokprogrammer available. You can only modify ESU settings, but you can test all functions on any MM/MfX or DCC loco.

Regards

Mike C


Amen to that.
My Lokprogrammer is the single best investment in frustration reduction In have made in the last 12 years.
It also demystifies the complexity of programming advanced features, and makes it dead simple to reprogram loksound decoder.
Plus the support from esu is impeccable.... and transparent. !!
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
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Offline RayF  
#12 Posted : 23 February 2015 11:04:02(UTC)
RayF

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I just thought I'd add a postscript with the final outcome of my conversion.

The M4 auto-registration continues to elude my MS2. I don't know what the cause is, but it only registered once, after I'd spent a day trying to make the decoder work. I haven't been able to get it to auto-register again. In the process of trying the different protocols I deleted the loco from my list, thinking I could get the autoregistration to work again, but it didn't. I tried performing a factory reset on my MS2 and on the decoder, and it didn't help.

Using DCC I changed CV 47 so that M4 protocol was disabled, and I'm using the loco in DCC mode at the moment. It works fine like this, and MM operation also works.

The motor control CVs set at the factory worked fairly well, but I tried the auto-calibration function using CV 54 set to "0". The resulting motor control was appalling! The loco jerked badly at all speed settings and made strange noises as it did so! I then tried using the suggested settings in the manual for a Marklin SFCM Large motor (sic). The performance was no better, even though the settings were very different from those set by the "auto calibration". In the end I resorted to searching the forum and found a thread discussing motor CVs for LFCM motors. Using the values found there I got a much better performance.

I consider the digital conversion process now finished, and I won't waste any more of my time on fiddling with CVs. I have to say that my previous LFCM conversion using the Marklin 60944 motor kit and 60942 decoder was much more painless. The decoder did not need any calibration, and responded immediately in MFX mode. Running is also smoother than with Lokpilot and Hamo magnet. In future I'll stick to the Marklin kits where thay are available for the loco I'm doing. Unfortunately in this case the 60944 kit was not recommended for this loco.

The end result is a Br01 which now runs in both analogue and digital modes. I will use this loco with my blue and green tinplate coaches for the classic Marklin look, and perhaps soon I might also get the new tooling Br01 to use with my 27cm plastic coaches, or maybe even stretch to the latest 1:93 versions.
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline biedmatt  
#13 Posted : 23 February 2015 11:19:29(UTC)
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Hi Ray, after you set CV54 to zero, you must then turn F1 on and the loko will run a couple seconds at full speed. Dead straight track is critical. You can not have any turns for it to calibrate properly.

Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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Offline RayF  
#14 Posted : 23 February 2015 11:38:26(UTC)
RayF

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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
Hi Ray, after you set CV54 to zero, you must then turn F1 on and the loko will run a couple seconds at full speed. Dead straight track is critical. You can not have any turns for it to calibrate properly.



Thanks Matt.

I tried it a couple of times. The first time it went a little way round a curve before stopping, and I thought that may have caused the problem. The second time I tried it I made sure it stayed on the straight tracks, but the CV values were still no better. Maybe it just doesn't work very well for this motor type and gearing arrangement.
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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