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Offline Janne75  
#1 Posted : 03 December 2014 19:32:03(UTC)
Janne75

Finland   
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Location: Finland
Hi,

I have some Märklin diesel locomotive "projects" and one electric locomotive "project". I would like to install Märklin mSD decoders to them, but I just wonder which type should I use? I know that 60946/60947 type are with 21-pin decoder etc. and 60966/60967 type has 8-pin connector.

My questions:

1. Can I just use 60966 (diesel loco sound) and 60967 (electric loco sound) by cutting the wires to proper lenght (I hope the wires are long enough)? I don't have any 8-pin NEM connectors in these old originally analog locos. This type is a little cheaper than 60946/60947 type and I like the way how everything is protected. With this type the decoder itself can't be changed, but as far as I know you can't buy a separate spare mSD decoder to replace a damaged 60946/60947 type mSD decoder either. So what is the advantage with 60946/60947 vs. 60966/60967 type?

2. Are the sounds same in both 60966 and 60946 diesel loco mSD decoders?

3. Are the sounds same in both 60967 and 60947 electric loco mSD decoders?

4. How is the loudspeaker connected to 60966 and 60967 type? Is there a separate connector for loudspeaker?

I have these older locos which I would like to convert to digital. All of them have already their LFCM type original motors replaced with 60944 high efficiency 5-pole motor sets:

Diesels:

3137 NSB green Nohab
3143 NSB brown Nohab
3074 DB BR 216
3081 DB BR 220
3021 DB V200 "standard"
3021 DB V200 "modified" Ontrack Cargo


Electric loco:

3050 SBB Ae 6/6


Thanks for all info in advance! ThumpUp

Regards,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
Offline franciscohg  
#2 Posted : 03 December 2014 20:22:23(UTC)
franciscohg

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Hi, IMHO the 21-mtc is the way to go. Functionality is the same but when you have the board in place, changing or testing the decoder is no problem at all, even with different brands of them. When I first started to do conversions I did not pay too much attention to that, but believe it has prove to be a useful feature, same for the speakers.
Also when solding wires you don't have to worry about too much heat transmit to the decoder, wich can damage it.
Regards
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Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 03 December 2014 20:26:30(UTC)
H0


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Location: DE-NW
Hi, Janne!
Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
This type is a little cheaper than 60946/60947 type and I like the way how everything is protected. With this type the decoder itself can't be changed, but as far as I know you can't buy a separate spare mSD decoder to replace a damaged 60946/60947 type mSD decoder either. So what is the advantage with 60946/60947 vs. 60966/60967 type?
RRP is the same for both types (€ 99.99). I prefer to install the 6094x decoder boards because it's easier for me. Install the board in the loco and cut the wires to the proper length.

If the decoder fails, buy the same set again. Same price as replacing a 6096x decoder - and you keep a spare board.

With 6094x you can use more function outputs.

Sound projects are always available for both types of decoders.
Regards
Tom
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Offline 3rail4life  
#4 Posted : 03 December 2014 20:38:24(UTC)
3rail4life

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Location: Northern California
Hi Janne,

I would use the the 21 pin models for your projects, I find them to be better for most of my conversions, the only time I use the kabel models are for small locos with space constraints and for dcc two rail with the 8 pin interface.

The wires are long enough for just about any model on both, the 21 pin has plenty of extra wires, I usually unsolder the unused ones from the mounting board. The 6094_ also have the advantage when it comes to the powered Aux. outputs four vs two on the 6096_ models. As Francisco mentions it is also nice to be able to solder the board in place before installing the decoder.

The only real disadvantage is that it is possible to install the 21 pin decoder upside down on the board usually resulting in instant death to the decoder when power is applied.Cursing So one needs to pay attention to the correct orientation of the decoder when installing on it the the board.

The sounds and firmware are slightly different on Kabel and Platine, but the sounds can can be used on either.

Speaker connection is better on the 21 pin as well.

60946 and 60947 are the best value...

Enjoy,

Gordon

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Offline franciscohg  
#5 Posted : 03 December 2014 20:41:04(UTC)
franciscohg

Chile   
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC)
Posts: 3,266
Location: Patagonia
Hi, IMHO the 21-mtc is the way to go. Functionality is the same but when you have the board in place, changing or testing the decoder is no problem at all, even with different brands of them. When I first started to do conversions I did not pay too much attention to that, but believe it has prove to be a useful feature, same for the speakers.
Also when solding wires you don't have to worry about too much heat transmit to the decoder, wich can damage it.
Regards
UserPostedImage German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
Offline Janne75  
#6 Posted : 03 December 2014 20:59:02(UTC)
Janne75

Finland   
Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC)
Posts: 2,550
Location: Finland
Thanks to all of you for info! It seems like 60946 and 60947 21-mtc will be better then. ThumpUp

I have installed 60945 (steam loco decoder) in my 3084 BR 50 with cabin tender, but it has a normal mLD decoder and not mSD at the moment. In that set there are many extra wires and wires are very long.

The price difference is not huge, around 70 euro for 60966 and 74 euro for 60946. These prices are from German eBay.

I also thought about when soldering the heat could make some damage to the decoder if 60966 were used. 60946 has this real advantage and also more function outputs if needed.

This forum is great as here is so much knowledge and nice people Smile .

Regards,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
Offline foumaro  
#7 Posted : 04 December 2014 03:44:43(UTC)
foumaro

Greece   
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Posts: 4,420
Location: Attiki Athens Greece
I have installed the 60946 in two F7 units with two motors each,the 3462 Alaska and 3662 AT&SF.Both units working perfect.
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