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Offline DV  
#1 Posted : 22 October 2014 09:53:06(UTC)
DV

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I didn't want to hijack Anders posts about his BR64 (could have gotten into troubleOhMyGod ), but after reading what Dion wrote on that post, I think my BR64 is 'kaput'

Here is a video of what it does






As can be seen, it is in the standard mode, all the sounds work, but when you give it some juice this is the movement and noise it makesCrying Blink Confused Sad Unsure .


When I first received it, it was in the semi mode and being a firm believer in 'instructions, what instructions', I put the loco onto the track, it registered, I tried the sounds, got the loco started for it to finally slow down, then stop. OK, might be a good idea to read the instructions nowBlushing Blushing Blushing , set it on standard mode, and it wouldn't move. Here's an idea I thought, I'll try running it in analogue mode (using a grey transformer)......wouldn't moveCursing Cursing Cursing

I got peed off and packed it up and put it away. Then I started reading about possible problems and tried the loco on our club layout, the video is the outcomeCrying Crying Crying Crying

Will I have to send it back to Göppingen????????????????

Many thanks for your advice.
Dusan V
'I find your lack of faith (in Märklin) disturbing'
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Offline poulmh  
#2 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:08:29(UTC)
poulmh

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When You shift to Standardmodus you have to downloade it to the locomotive (lok. arrow down) and then click OK

Hope You can use it.

/Poul
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Offline DV  
#3 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:20:41(UTC)
DV

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Poul, thank you for the quick reply. I will have a go tomorrow......here's hoping it worksSmile
Dusan V
'I find your lack of faith (in Märklin) disturbing'
Offline Goofy  
#4 Posted : 22 October 2014 19:14:44(UTC)
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Did you tried to drive without the sounds on?
My locomotiv did worked normal without the sounds on.
It was the sounds on,which did make locomotiv start hijacked with the speed.
When i did speed up,the locomotiv did slow down in speed.
Sometimes there was bad with the brake sound too.
My complete new loco has not been tested yet,so in this evening i will check after "if" it works...
H0
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Offline Webmaster  
#5 Posted : 22 October 2014 19:27:16(UTC)
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As Poul says, you have to send the mode setting to the decoder - How else would it know to change its behaviour...

Have forgotten that myself a lot of times when changing decoder settings.... Blushing BigGrin
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Offline Ian555  
#6 Posted : 22 October 2014 19:40:34(UTC)
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Hi Dusan,

You got Sand, Water and Coal in it.

Ian.

Offline sjlauritsen  
#7 Posted : 22 October 2014 20:11:05(UTC)
sjlauritsen

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First try the other suggestions, but I must say, that it looks like my BR 218 when its motor was malfunctioning. It could also be a wrongly tuned decoder. When the loco stops at the end of the video, did you do that or did it stop by itself?

If at all possible, can you take the motor out and run it from a DC transformer without the influence of the decoder and other stuff. If it runs smoothly then the problem is most likely in the decoder, if it still jerks then the problem is the motor. EDIT: On second thought, do not do this, if you are worried about the warranty.
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Offline DV  
#8 Posted : 23 October 2014 06:43:43(UTC)
DV

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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Did you tried to drive without the sounds on?



As shown on the original video, I tried all the sounds first, then turned all sound off and tried to get the loco going, and you can see the results.


Originally Posted by: poulmh Go to Quoted Post
When You shift to Standardmodus you have to downloade it to the locomotive (lok. arrow down) and then click OK

Hope You can use it.

/Poul




Originally Posted by: Webmaster Go to Quoted Post
As Poul says, you have to send the mode setting to the decoder - How else would it know to change its behaviour...



Ok I have tried what Poul suggested and Juhan backed up, I still got the same result, moving slowly and squeeking like crazy.

Then had the brilliant ideaRollEyes of showing in a video (again) what happens and these are the results.






Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Dusan,

You got Sand, Water and Coal in it.

Ian.



As you can see on the video, I went to semi pro and you can see that S, C and W is sufficient, I then tried to move it and you can see the results. This time it stopped totally

I then tried to get back to standard (sorry about the shaky videoBlushing Blushing ), followed Poul's recommendation and it would'n move, so at 1:12 I tried the the old hand shunt, and again you can see the results, moving noisily and jerkily (this time I stopped the loco).Crying Crying Crying Crying


Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Go to Quoted Post
. EDIT: On second thought, do not do this, if you are worried about the warranty.



Søren I will follow this suggestion to the letterBigGrin LOL Laugh Smile ThumpUp

So can I safely say that the loco is stuffedCursing ????? And heading back to Göppingen????
Dusan V
'I find your lack of faith (in Märklin) disturbing'
Offline biedmatt  
#9 Posted : 23 October 2014 11:16:50(UTC)
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Did this loko fail straight out of the box, or do you have some hours on it before the problem?
Matt
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But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#10 Posted : 23 October 2014 11:22:34(UTC)
NZMarklinist

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Originally Posted by: DV Go to Quoted Post



So can I safely say that the loco is stuffedCursing ????? And heading back to Göppingen????



Sadly it looks that way Dusan, what about sending it to Dion, even if you didn't buy it from him, he may be good enough to repair it for you and the postage will be a lot less !Wink ThumpUp
Glen
Auckland NZ

" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

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Offline jeehring  
#11 Posted : 23 October 2014 12:00:22(UTC)
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Recenly, my dealer told me a story : an anxious Customer brought back one MFX+ loco ...this Lok had a bad behaviour, hijacking, creeping slowly, etc....
It tooks some time before realizing that the loco was functioning in MFX+ fashion and that this loco had no more coal, no more water,. no more energy...In short : that tanks were empty, she just needs to be supplied ...And in such a case, this is a normal behaviour, for the fun, to warn the conductor/player.
Then they went back to the station area, filled up with consumables and everything was back in order Smile
Offline leahcim  
#12 Posted : 23 October 2014 13:26:38(UTC)
leahcim

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Originally Posted by: jeehring Go to Quoted Post
Recenly, my dealer told me a story : an anxious Customer brought back one MFX+ loco ...this Lok had a bad behaviour, hijacking, creeping slowly, etc....
It tooks some time before realizing that the loco was functioning in MFX+ fashion and that this loco had no more coal, no more water,. no more energy...In short : that tanks were empty, she just needs to be supplied ...And in such a case, this is a normal behaviour, for the fun, to warn the conductor/player.
Then they went back to the station area, filled up with consumables and everything was back in order Smile


It would be nice if this is the case for Dusan's sake. Would they really create confusion for the user like this though? I mean wouldn't the station flash a low coal warning or something. You'll have to excuse me I have neither ms or cs 1 or 2.

regards
michael
Offline DV  
#13 Posted : 23 October 2014 13:28:57(UTC)
DV

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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
Did this loko fail straight out of the box, or do you have some hours on it before the problem?


from memory, it ran for about 300 mm and then went into slow, jerky and noisy mode.
Dusan V
'I find your lack of faith (in Märklin) disturbing'
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Offline DV  
#14 Posted : 23 October 2014 13:33:07(UTC)
DV

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Originally Posted by: jeehring Go to Quoted Post
Recenly, my dealer told me a story : an anxious Customer brought back one MFX+ loco ...this Lok had a bad behaviour, hijacking, creeping slowly, etc....
It tooks some time before realizing that the loco was functioning in MFX+ fashion and that this loco had no more coal, no more water,. no more energy...In short : that tanks were empty, she just needs to be supplied ...And in such a case, this is a normal behaviour, for the fun, to warn the conductor/player.
Then they went back to the station area, filled up with consumables and everything was back in order Smile


As can be seen on the latest video I posted the loco was full of sand, coal and water, tried to run it it in that mode and the results speak for themselvesSad
Dusan V
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Offline RayF  
#15 Posted : 23 October 2014 18:57:28(UTC)
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Looks like a failed loco to me. Warranty repair?
Ray
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Offline Webmaster  
#16 Posted : 23 October 2014 20:06:35(UTC)
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Does not sound ok at all... Sad
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Offline steventrain  
#17 Posted : 23 October 2014 20:43:55(UTC)
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Send back to Marklin with warranty card.
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