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kweekalot		#51 Posted : 07 October 2014 21:55:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Then you should also ask the same question of Ford, General Motors, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Honda et all. I'm sure they do not make every part that they install in their vehicles. You are right about that Dave. Vollmer made many plastic parts for the automotive industry. and for the record: I have no interest in decoders at all.
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RayF		#52 Posted : 07 October 2014 23:24:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz I'm sure they do not make every part that they install in their vehicles. That's how modern production is. Still it's valid to ask who makes it, where is it made, how many hours do the workers work per day and per week and how much do they get paid. In many cases you won't get official answers. I work in the satellite industry. Nobody asks how much I get paid, how many hours I work, and where I work from. All people want to know is that when they switch on their TVs they receive the programmes that they want to watch. Does anyone ask where the satellites are controlled from? Does anyone, other than a few in the industry, even wonder where the satellites are made? I do think there is a small amount of interest in where Marklin's decoders are produced, but I really am not that bothered, and most responders on this thread have agreed with me. Can we leave it now until someone has any real information?
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H0		#53 Posted : 07 October 2014 23:56:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,262 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: RayF Can we leave it now until someone has any real information? If we all agree that the decoders are not assembled on the premises of Märklin and are not assembled by Märklin employees, then we can leave it now. I think we can also agree that the decoders are made exclusively for Märklin and are not OEM decoders from another brand. No facts, but 50+ posts. It seems that many do not care where they come from while many want to know. Those who do not want to know start talking about ESU, Ford, ESA, NASA - but originally this thread was about Märklin's mfx decoders. Slightly off topic: I don't know where Märklin's fx decoders are made. They are around since about 2005, they are not from ESU, and they could come from the same factories. I think it was never officially confirmed where the mouse-piano decoders came from, but those were also made exclusively for Märklin.
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kiwiAlan		#54 Posted : 08 October 2014 00:38:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,102 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: Goofy It´s big difference to know who made mfx decoder. It´s wrong to write "made of Märklin",if Märklin is not who produce mfx decoder. To understand what is right,you must answer correct and truth. Then you should also ask the same question of Ford, General Motors, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Honda et all. I'm sure they do not make every part that they install in their vehicles. As Juhan suggests, it doesn't matter who makes the decoders, as long as they are reliable, do the things they are meant to do, and are priced reasonably. The same is true of Formula 1 cars where there are many sub contractors making parts for the different racing teams. The same is true of American saloon car racing where almost all the gearboxes are made by a UK company ...
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Purellum		#55 Posted : 08 October 2014 08:28:38(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#57 Posted : 08 October 2014 09:25:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: Goofy It´s big difference to know who made mfx decoder. It´s wrong to write "made of Märklin",if Märklin is not who produce mfx decoder. To understand what is right,you must answer correct and truth. Then you should also ask the same question of Ford, General Motors, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Honda et all. I'm sure they do not make every part that they install in their vehicles. As Juhan suggests, it doesn't matter who makes the decoders, as long as they are reliable, do the things they are meant to do, and are priced reasonably. What has cars to do with digital decoders as equal!? It´s difference in small components than bigger. Digital decoder is made of an electronic company,but the question is who make mfx decoders? It´s not Märklin anyway,so therefore no rights by write "made of Märklin"!
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Goofy		#58 Posted : 08 October 2014 09:29:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Yeah, that's really old information. Marklin and ESU fell out with each other, their relationship ended in tears. ESU no longer make Marklin controllers or their decoders....... Which is why Goofy opened this thread - he wants to know who replaced ESU! Yahoooo...finally someone get smart by write correct about my topic thread.
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Bigdaddynz		#59 Posted : 08 October 2014 09:31:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Goofy What has cars to do with digital decoders as equal!? Nothing, but everything! Cars have many components not made by the car's manufacturer, but people don't refuse to buy Fords because not everything in Fords was made by Ford. Same principle with Marklin decoders. Your question is somewhat irrelevant, because knowing who made the decoder is not going to make one scrap of difference as to whether you are going to buy one or not.
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Goofy		#60 Posted : 08 October 2014 09:34:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: Goofy What has cars to do with digital decoders as equal!? Nothing, but everything! Cars have many components not made by the car's manufacturer, but people don't refuse to buy Fords because not everything in Fords was made by Ford. Same principle with Marklin decoders. Your question is somewhat irrelevant, because knowing who made the decoder is not going to make one scrap of difference as to whether you are going to buy one or not. Are you telling to me,that there is more electronic company who produce mfx decoder by sending decoder forward and backward all the times by finish same decoder finally???
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Bigdaddynz		#61 Posted : 08 October 2014 10:16:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Sorry Goofy, I don't understand the question.
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Purellum		#62 Posted : 08 October 2014 12:49:05(UTC) Retweet
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Drongo		#63 Posted : 08 October 2014 13:14:23(UTC) Retweet
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Joined: 22/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 544		For all we know there could be a number of different manufacturers that produce the decoders according to Märklin's specifications. It is like most industries today. You can buy two laptops of the same model, make and series. However one might have an LCD built by Toshiba and the other one could be a Samsung. Or the RAM might be Samsung and Hynix in the other. It is virtually impossible to know beforehand as a consumer and it should not matter as in a perfect world the specifications are identical.
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H0		#65 Posted : 08 October 2014 15:28:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,262 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS However one might have an LCD built by Toshiba and the other one could be a Samsung. [...] It is virtually impossible to know beforehand as a consumer and it should not matter as in a perfect world the specifications are identical. German computer magazine "c’t" recently wrote about laptops by Lenovo (IIRC) that had the same ref. numbers, but different displays with notable differences. So if you make your purchase decision after reading a good review in a computer magazine, you may find that the display you get is not as good as the display that was reviewed. Similar for SSDs: same ref. number, but different speeds because different chips had been used. Such practices make some reviews in magazines useless. Back to MRR: similar things have happened with our market leader as some loco models came with different decoders over time (e.g. fx with or without DIP switches or with a transition from fx to mfx). Or the CS2 60214: either 2.4 A and no galvanic insulation or 5 A with galvanic insulation. Back to topic: The mfx decoders discussed in this thread have been made with both green and red PCBs. I don't know if that indicates different suppliers. At least I didn't notice different behaviours.
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steventrain		#66 Posted : 08 October 2014 16:00:18(UTC) Retweet
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Mark_1602		#67 Posted : 08 October 2014 17:20:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Luxembourg		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: Goofy What has cars to do with digital decoders as equal!? Nothing, but everything! Cars have many components not made by the car's manufacturer, but people don't refuse to buy Fords because not everything in Fords was made by Ford. Same principle with Marklin decoders. Your question is somewhat irrelevant, because knowing who made the decoder is not going to make one scrap of difference as to whether you are going to buy one or not. Hi, In principle I agree with you as long as the decoders are really good, though I remember reading on Stummis Forum in 2010 and 2011 that quite a lot of customers were unhappy with the non-ESU mfx decoders that Marklin used during that transition period and announced angrily that they would not buy any more Marklin locomotives. Even after the end of 2011, when Marklin announced new (and better) mfx decoders, there were still a lot of German Marklin users who did not like the quality of the sound and wanted ESU sound decoders back. At least 70 % of total Marklin sales are made in Germany, and Marklin has lost some customers there because of the decoders. My own mfx locomotives all run very well on my MS2, but the Big Boy from 2009 (37993), which was still equipped with an ESU sound decoder at the Marklin factory, has better sound than the two Big Boys I bought in 2012 and 2013 (37994/37995). The difference is undeniable, and that's why some people ask where those decoders come from. The actual problem is not the manufacturer or the country of origin, but the fact that ESU decoders are perceived as being better by many customers, at least in Germany. I don't mind if Marklin uses subcontractors or designs its decoders without ESU, but the sound should be as good as it used to be before 2010. Probably they're working on it; Marklin TV often films the company's technicians while they record the sounds of prototypes for their decoders. For the Big Boy they'll have to wait until the 4014 has been restored ... Regards, Mark
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Mark_1602		#68 Posted : 08 October 2014 17:44:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Luxembourg		Hello everyone, I think I've found out which 'company' might have designed the new generation on Marklin mfx and mfx+ decoders. Maerklin Engineering It's a subsidiary of the Marklin company and was founded in 2011 to help Marklin design new, innovative products. The engineers of this company are students from German universities that work with Marklin on a number of project. The projects that the students complete are credited by their universities and help Marklin to hire bright people who have new ideas. Probably that's where mfx+ has originated. So their new decoders were probably designed in Germany. Marklin Engineering is based in Goppingen. Of course the actual products are manufactured elsewhere, as electronic components generally are. The name of the subcontractor might be kept secret to prevent the competition from spying on Marklin. Industrial spying is common practice ... Regards, Mark
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H0		#69 Posted : 08 October 2014 20:01:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,262 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: MaerklinClassics In principle I agree with you as long as the decoders are really good, though I remember reading on Stummis Forum in 2010 and 2011 that quite a lot of customers were unhappy with the non-ESU mfx decoders that Marklin used during that transition period and announced angrily that they would not buy any more Marklin locomotives. Even after the end of 2011, when Marklin announced new (and better) mfx decoders, there were still a lot of German Marklin users who did not like the quality of the sound and wanted ESU sound decoders back. AFAIK the 2009 decoders are the same as the 2011 decoders. All on the same quality level ( ). Since 2009 they use them factory-installed in locos. Since 2011 they also sell them separately. Over time they fixed a few bugs in the decoder firmware - or at least implemented workarounds.
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Mark_1602		#70 Posted : 08 October 2014 22:15:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Luxembourg		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: MaerklinClassics In principle I agree with you as long as the decoders are really good, though I remember reading on Stummis Forum in 2010 and 2011 that quite a lot of customers were unhappy with the non-ESU mfx decoders that Marklin used during that transition period and announced angrily that they would not buy any more Marklin locomotives. Even after the end of 2011, when Marklin announced new (and better) mfx decoders, there were still a lot of German Marklin users who did not like the quality of the sound and wanted ESU sound decoders back. AFAIK the 2009 decoders are the same as the 2011 decoders. All on the same quality level ( ). Since 2009 they use them factory-installed in locos. Since 2011 they also sell them separately. Over time they fixed a few bugs in the decoder firmware - or at least implemented workarounds. Hi, That's definitely not true of my Big Boy 37993, which still has an ESU decoder, and I bought it (with the grey original box still sealed in plastic) from an official Marklin dealer. Maybe not every 37993 was equipped with an ESU sound decoder; I think I remember reading this somewhere, but at least some 37993 have one, including mine. The sound is really better than that of the 37994 or 37995, as I noticed while testing the three Big Boys, and in Stummis Forum, users say the same thing in a thread I have read before. Even if I hadn't read that thread, I would have heard the difference in sound quality. (Another thing Marklin changed in Big Boys is the motor, which has been DC since 2012, not bell anchor as it still was in 2009.) I can't say how much Marklin decoders have changed since 2011, but an official dealer told me in 2011 that Marklin had new decoders. Who or what should I believe about those decoders??? Marklin still makes good products, but they have a bad information policy, and that's why there are discussions like this one. There should be more transparency instead of this exaggerated secrecy, which causes confusion and loss of trust and is bad for sales figures. Regards, Mark
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H0		#71 Posted : 08 October 2014 22:41:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,262 Location: DE-NW		Märklin magazine introduced the new decoders, I think around 2009. Headline "Universal genius" or something to that effect. AFAIK there is basically just one type of non-ESU mfx decoders. 2009, 2011, 2013 - I don't see relevant differences with those non-ESU mfx decoders. The transition took time. They introduced the first non-ESU mfx decoders in 2009, but I think some locos with ESU mfx decoders were made until around 2011. The Big Boy 37993 is a 2009 model, but at least the early batches still had the 2005 mfx decoders (ESU), while later batches had the 2009 mfx decoders (named "Insolvenzdecoder" (insolvency decoders) or "Kaufverweigerungsgrund" (purchase preventer) on Stummi's Forum). You say you heard from your dealer that there were new decoders in 2011. So ask your dealer what he meant. Was he just talking about 60942 and Co., available since 2011? IMHO the sound is better with ESU decoders. The current Märklin decoders are no match for the ESU V3 decoders that still sound better. And ESU V4 was a big step forward with respect to sound (there also are many new options that require many more CVs and it's more difficult to get smooth load regulation). I have the 37993 - and the 37994 with downgraded decoder and downgraded motor. Märklin still make some good products, but their loco production was IMHO over-economized.
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Mark_1602		#72 Posted : 09 October 2014 20:17:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Luxembourg		Hi Tom, Thanks for these clear explanations that Marklin wouldn't give to its customers. So I was lucky with my 37993! I no longer use that Marklin dealer, but they meant that Marklin generally used 'new' decoders from the end of 2011. One more official or semi-official statement that wasn't true ... Regards, Mark
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Goofy		#73 Posted : 10 October 2014 06:59:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		I´m asking to you again: Who made mfx decoders of today? 1.Name of company 2.I don´t know Just choise one of two. Did you get it? Very easy to answer! Good boys!
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Bigdaddynz		#74 Posted : 10 October 2014 08:33:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Goofy, the answer is (judging by this thread) that no one knows, and not many care! I think you're beating a dead horse! It may be time to lock this thread??
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Purellum		#75 Posted : 10 October 2014 08:36:11(UTC) Retweet
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Bigdaddynz		#76 Posted : 10 October 2014 10:14:27(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#77 Posted : 10 October 2014 12:25:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Goofy, the answer is (judging by this thread) that no one knows, and not many care! I think you're beating a dead horse! It may be time to lock this thread?? It´s an dead answer from an moderator. The first generation mfx decoder was made of ESU. Märklinist knows about ESU. So why is there no information of today,who made mfx and mfx+ decoder?
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Bigdaddynz		#78 Posted : 10 October 2014 13:09:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Goofy, you've asked that question 10 times in this thread, and yet there is no answer to it. Anyone who knows isn't telling, and the rest of us don't seem to be all that bothered about it. We aren't really the correct people to be asked that question. You should ask Marklin directly and see if they answer, then come back and tell us the answer.
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Purellum		#79 Posted : 10 October 2014 14:48:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		There is tons of information about Märklins mfx and mfx+ in the google by search. Per.
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Bart		#80 Posted : 10 October 2014 17:47:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/05/2002(UTC) Posts: 670		Originally Posted by: Purellum There is tons of information about Märklins mfx and mfx+ in the google by search. Per. There is also lots of information to get about Märklins mfx and mfx+ from nice and helpful people on this forum.
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Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Originally Posted by: Goofy The first generation mfx decoder was made of ESU. ESU decoders were/are not produced by ESU, but designed by ESU. The mfx decoders are designed by Märklin and most likely not produced by Märklin. It's all in the answers in this topic. How hard can it be???
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Goofy		#82 Posted : 11 October 2014 15:41:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: Webmaster Originally Posted by: Goofy The first generation mfx decoder was made of ESU. ESU decoders were/are not produced by ESU, but designed by ESU. The mfx decoders are designed by Märklin and most likely not produced by Märklin. It's all in the answers in this topic. How hard can it be??? I was in the ESU forum and did stand question about decoders. It was ESU who did made first generation mfx decoders. ESU do make own decoders,but in bigscale decoders they don´t do it. But mfx and mfx+ decoders didn´t any one know about who make them. Did you get it Juhan?
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kweekalot		#83 Posted : 11 October 2014 15:50:11(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#84 Posted : 11 October 2014 16:06:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: kweekalot Originally Posted by: Goofy ... Did you get it Juhan? The one who does not get it is you Anders !! This thread is now really starting to become boring and unpleasant ! It´s not right by confuse and abuse truth about decoders! And besides...didn´t you wrote:"I´m not interested in decoders"...? See at post 51.
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Purellum		#85 Posted : 11 October 2014 17:18:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Quote: It´s not right by confuse and abuse truth about decoders! I think it is you who confuse and abuse the whole forum at the moment. Quote: ESU do make own decoders,but in bigscale decoders they don´t do it. If ESU don't make large scale decoders, what would you then call the Loksound XL ?? http://www.esu.eu/en/pro...oksound/loksound-xl-v40/ Per.
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Webmaster		#86 Posted : 11 October 2014 18:57:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Once again, I must ask - How hard can it be?... ESU decoders are assembled (=made) in the US, according to a link in a post earlier in the topic, get it? Oh, yes - forgot this -> ... Ehhh, better add some more...
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Renato		#87 Posted : 11 October 2014 19:46:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Gorizia, Italy		Hi, As this thread is in a deadlock situation, why not lock it? Only a suggestion... Cheers Renato
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Mark_1602		#88 Posted : 11 October 2014 19:52:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Luxembourg		Originally Posted by: Renato Hi, As this thread is in a deadlock situation, why not lock it? Only a suggestion... Cheers Renato Good idea. I think most people would agree with you ... We have found out as much as we can. Mark
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Purellum		#89 Posted : 11 October 2014 20:01:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Quote: As this thread is in a deadlock situation, why not lock it? Good idea. But before it is being locked, I have a question: I have a Märklin MFX decoder, and in one of the corners close to the connection plug, there is a SMD resistor marked "R10" Do you know who manufactures this resistor?? And where can I buy a new one if the original is made veryfried produced by me? Per. P.S: To understand what is right, you must answer correct and truth. It´s not right by confuse and abuse truth about decoders!
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Renato		#90 Posted : 11 October 2014 20:11:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Gorizia, Italy		Hi Per, I found this: LINK I think various manufacturers produce them, most of them located in China or other Far-east countries. Maybe RS Components, Conrad and other companies sell them (but in large quantities I am afraid...). Cheers Renato
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steventrain		#91 Posted : 11 October 2014 20:12:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Topic need lock.
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Purellum		#92 Posted : 11 October 2014 20:23:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Sorry Renato, it was meant as a joke, and to show that even if we find out who makes the decoders, we still don't know who makes the parts, and thus, in the end, we still know nothing. Danish humour: Per.
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Webmaster		#93 Posted : 11 October 2014 20:26:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Well, topic is now locked. But since there is a certain interest in who makes the x brand, I started a new similar topic in NMR... Who makes Vauxhall and Chevrolet cars... ? And of course this has to be added... ->
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Bigdaddynz		#94 Posted : 11 October 2014 21:58:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Purellum Sorry, it was meant as a joke...... Hey, I got it! Danish humour must be similar to Kiwi humour!
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