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Offline Marius in Africa  
#1 Posted : 17 August 2014 19:47:31(UTC)
Marius in Africa

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Hi all

I found the article on Thomas’ blog very informative and finally I understand why some couplers give me so much hassles on my layout. The close couplers on passenger coaches result in a very realistic look in terms of the very small gap between the coaches.

But does this small gap still allow free movement around R1 curves o C-track? Do any member here have first-hand experience with these couplers on R1 curves?

The link to the article: http://blog.mailez.de/eblog/?p=65

Regards
Marius in Africa

HO, ECoS 2, Märklin C-track, any country, any design, any era & any brand which i like.
Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 17 August 2014 20:07:52(UTC)
RayF

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On my Marklin coaches with Marklin close couplers I have no problems with the R1 C track curves on my layout.

I have also fitted Marklin close couplers on Piko coaches and they are fine too, but I had to remove the Marklin close coupler on one of my Piko Locomotives for R1 operation. All other non-marklin coaches still have their original couplers, even though the gap may be a bit wider.

Edit:-

Oh, I see you're asking about Roco close couplers. Sorry, I have no experience of those.

Edited by user 18 August 2014 09:09:14(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#3 Posted : 17 August 2014 20:14:17(UTC)
Alsterstreek

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I used to run two-axle freight cars by Roco with Roco close couplers on them my previous layout which did not cause any trouble on R1 curves and/or turnouts and "interacted" nicely with M* couplers.
Smile

Hélas no experience with Roco coaches...
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Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 17 August 2014 20:28:07(UTC)
H0


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Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Go to Quoted Post
Do any member here have first-hand experience with these couplers on R1 curves?
Not much R1 experience.
But with coaches that have NEM coupler pockets there should be no problems provided that the coaches can handle R1 curves.

According to Rainer Lüssi, the distance with Roco close coupler is only 0.5 mm shorter than with Märklin close couplers. This shouldn't make a difference with respect to safe operation, even on R1.

See here (German only):
http://www.stayathome.ch/kupplungen.htm

Regards
Tom
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#5 Posted : 18 August 2014 06:02:35(UTC)
sjlauritsen

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Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Go to Quoted Post
I found the article on Thomas’ blog very informative and finally I understand why some couplers give me so much hassles on my layout. The close couplers on passenger coaches result in a very realistic look in terms of the very small gap between the coaches.

But does this small gap still allow free movement around R1 curves o C-track? Do any member here have first-hand experience with these couplers on R1 curves?


If the coaches has a NEM-pocket and a guide mechanism you are fine (most coaches do). The purpose of the guide mechanism is to keep the couplers straight - even in very tight curves. I use the Roco close coupler between my coaches and they negotiate R1 just fine. It looks crappy while they do, but they get the job done. I tend not to use R1, but currently I have no choice (the table is too small ).


Your only potential problem is the accessories that you may have a long the track. There is no way a true to scale UIC coach will be able to pass a C-track mounted signal. The 1:100 coaches just barely does.


Funny enough, yesterday I wrote an article about tighter curves and coaches (true to scale and shortened versions), and the problems you may face (or at least need to think about when designing your layout). It visualizes some of the problems and might be of some use to you: http://www.bahnfan.net/post/2014/08/17/true-to-scale-coaches-vs-the-shorter-length-coaches


 


 


 

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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 18 August 2014 08:14:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Go to Quoted Post
There is no way a true to scale UIC coach will be able to pass a C-track mounted signal. The 1:100 coaches just barely does.
The 1:100 coaches and the 282 mm coaches have trucks where the pivot point is not centred to reduce the space needed on the inside of the curves. Additionally the 282 mm coaches have a reduced width.
Full length coaches are not just 21 or 34 mm longer than the 282 mm coaches, they also have prototypically correct trucks and need much more space on the inside of curves.

See also:
https://www.marklin-user...-Mystery.aspx#post301761
https://www.marklin-user...-it-look.aspx#post378558
Regards
Tom
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"In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#7 Posted : 18 August 2014 08:23:14(UTC)
sjlauritsen

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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
The 1:100 coaches and the 282 mm coaches have trucks where the pivot point is not centred to reduce the space needed on the inside of the curves.


LOL. That is a clever idea! I expected the 282 mm coaches to have some changes made to them in order to get pass a signal. It does not matter to me how the model is technically designed. If it helps smooth the operation, I welcome it. I am more on the visual part which is also why 1:100 coaches are kind of off limit. But I am not sure about the 282 mm coaches. Some of them are quite nice IMO.

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