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MalinAC		#1 Posted : 12 August 2014 09:28:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		Does anybody have info on a rare? Borsig53 in camouflage paint and DR markings. Not the winter type with black and white but a multi coloured one and the eagle on it. Thanks Eddie
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Shamu		#2 Posted : 12 August 2014 09:53:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,068 Location: In a building site in Yeppoon		I've been trying to find it myself, A old friend now deceased had one but I have been unable to track it down anywhere. I think it was a Toy Fair edition as he brought it back from a trip to Europe.
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MalinAC		#3 Posted : 12 August 2014 10:04:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		Thanks Shane, just making sure it is a genuine model as I have a chance to get it. So I guess it must be a pretty rare loco as I cant find any info about it. Take care Eddie .
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Shamu		#4 Posted : 12 August 2014 10:16:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,068 Location: In a building site in Yeppoon		Hi Eddie, Does the person have the number for it, is it boxed ? When my friend died his kids sold everything before I had a chance to get it and I'd like to know the number so I could satisfy myself as to its origins and help tracking one down for myself.
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MalinAC		#5 Posted : 12 August 2014 10:29:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		Hi Shane, the box number is 3701, but when I punched in that number it and shows the standard grey model. So Im thinking they might have taken some of those grey ones and added the camouflage to those ones and used the same box ?. Does that seem like something they would do. Take care Eddie
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waorb		#6 Posted : 12 August 2014 15:01:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 868 Location: Brazil		Originally Posted by: MalinAC Hi Shane, the box number is 3701, but when I punched in that number it and shows the standard grey model. So Im thinking they might have taken some of those grey ones and added the camouflage to those ones and used the same box ?. Does that seem like something they would do. Take care Eddie Hello Eddie! Which one do you mean? http://www.eimo350.de/02_Eisenbahn/05_Einbau_Umbau_Lok/04-01_Bau_Tarnlok_Start/1_Bau_Tarnlok_Start.htm The first picture on the link above? Seems that it's a unique handmade painting... AFAIK, Märklin had produced only the 37024 with camouflage... Cheers, Walter
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MalinAC		#7 Posted : 12 August 2014 17:35:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		Hi Walter, The closet one to it is the second from top , but the one Im looking at has the red wheels and the eagle is only on the cab .There is German writing on the smoke deflectors .Eddie
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Webmaster		#8 Posted : 12 August 2014 18:28:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Eddie, is it possible to get a pic of it?
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waorb		#9 Posted : 12 August 2014 18:34:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 868 Location: Brazil		Originally Posted by: MalinAC Hi Walter, The closet one to it is the second from top , but the one Im looking at has the red wheels and the eagle is only on the cab .There is German writing on the smoke deflectors .Eddie Could you attach some photos of it? Will be better to identify... for example, one photo from the lok itself, one showing the bottom, and another showing the front to see which road number it is... Cheers, Walter
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MalinAC		#10 Posted : 12 August 2014 19:23:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		Hi guys, I will try and get some pictures of it . Eddie
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MalinAC		#11 Posted : 12 August 2014 20:06:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		Hi guys ,I just downloaded some pics to Google Drive but if I cant upload to this site I will have to wait till my daughter and her husband come for a visit on Friday as they are both computer savvy. Eddie
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waorb		#12 Posted : 12 August 2014 20:49:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 868 Location: Brazil		Hello Eddie. The easyest way is to click on the Attach button of your post. Cheers, Walter
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MalinAC		#13 Posted : 12 August 2014 21:40:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		Hi Walter. I just found out that the files are dll files and this site wont let you load those kind of files.I havnt a clue what that means but I hope my daughter can fix it. Take care Eddie
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Shamu		#14 Posted : 13 August 2014 02:12:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,068 Location: In a building site in Yeppoon		Hi Eddie, If its a 3701 (the foto-grey #53 0002) that would match up with Barry's last trip to Europe in '96. I've wanted one ever since I saw it on his layout. I've been through all my old photo's trying to find a picture of it so you could compare but its nowhere to be found. If they were identical that at least would lend credence to it being a factory (or even a special run) model. If they were different it would indicate "hand made" by someone. I'll keep looking for the photo but I'm running out of places to look.
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Dave Banks		#15 Posted : 13 August 2014 08:31:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,026 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		On a slightly different loco, I could not pass this one by as it is so well done. It is a BR52 condenser tender. Interested to hear your opinions on it. Sorry the pictures are so small but that is how they came.
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MalinAC		#16 Posted : 13 August 2014 09:59:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		Hi Shane, I hope to get some pics up this weekend when my daughter comes with her husband and hopefully they can sort out the link. Can you remember if the one your friend had , had red wheels because the one one im looking at does. Also on one of the wind deflectors is written Erst Siegen-dann reisen. Dont know what that means but am thinking its somebodys name perhaps . Take care Eddie .
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Bigdaddynz		#17 Posted : 13 August 2014 11:43:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Shamu If its a 3701 (the foto-grey #53 0002) This is a picture of the 3701 from Frits Osterthun's website. The only mention in Kolls (2012) for the 3701 loco is of this loco, not any version with camouflage. No mention in the Kolls Spezial catalog either!
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MalinAC		#18 Posted : 13 August 2014 11:58:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		.The one Im looking into is 0001 with red wheels . I would be grateful if one of the German speakers or members on Forum know what the words on wind deflector mean " erst siegen-dann reisen" Take care Eddie .
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utkan		#19 Posted : 13 August 2014 12:00:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 19,116 Location: Istanbul,		I believe there must be a reason for M* not producing any items related with camouflaged war instruments..... The first ones they did were some UN uints and a Red-Cross wagon in the very first years of 2000s....
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Shamu		#20 Posted : 13 August 2014 12:45:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,068 Location: In a building site in Yeppoon		My German has gone to pot in the last 20 years but I think "only victory then travel" or maybe "travel to victory" I can't recall what colour the running gear was on Barry's camo BR 53 was but I'll keep looking for the photo of it on his layout. From memory it looked more like the BR 52, the 3rd loco in that list above. The colour scheme that is.
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waorb		#21 Posted : 13 August 2014 14:46:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 868 Location: Brazil		Hello! My father (german) told me that this is more like "First win -- Then travel"... a common victory feeling told to the soldiers to first serve the country then have the leisure... Cheers, Walter
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MalinAC		#22 Posted : 13 August 2014 15:04:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		Thanks Shane and Walter
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Angus		#23 Posted : 14 August 2014 13:31:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 202 Location: Johannesburg		Nothing to add on the original query but as a matter of interest here's a custom job done by Monster123 (Riekus) and friends. http://www.bidorbuy.co.z..._digital_with_sound.html
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Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS		#24 Posted : 14 August 2014 14:42:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 544		Originally Posted by: Angus Nothing to add on the original query but as a matter of interest here's a custom job done by Monster123 (Riekus) and friends. http://www.bidorbuy.co.z..._digital_with_sound.html That is one great looking locomotive. I wonder who the lucky buyer will be?
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MalinAC		#25 Posted : 14 August 2014 15:55:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		Thats a very nice loco Angus. The price is about 800 Euro at the currand exchange rate.I hope to find out more about the one Im looking at ie factory commission or what. As it also has red wheels its more of a mystery and running number of 0001 as most of them seem to be 0002. I also hope to get some pictures up this weekend if all goes well. But whether its a factory job or private there are a lot of very good custom painters out there.Take care Eddie .
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MalinAC		#26 Posted : 16 August 2014 08:26:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		Hi Guys , as promised some pics of the Borsig 53 in camo. Hope it works ok. Eddie
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MalinAC		#27 Posted : 16 August 2014 08:28:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		This time MalinAC attached the following image(s):
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3rail4life		#28 Posted : 16 August 2014 09:09:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 426 Location: Northern California		Hi Eddie, Been following your thread, as fan of the Br 53's I was curious to see see what you had discovered. That looks to be a 3102.1 (1979-81) that has been repainted, maybe digitally converted?, along with a 3701 box and papers, no telling what it has under the hood. I would definitely say not "factory commissioned". Interesting though, and kinda cool, but probably not worth much more than a standard 3102 not really sure if the paint adds much value and if a decoder would add much more... Cheers, Gordon
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Dangermouse		#29 Posted : 16 August 2014 10:28:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 115 Location: Wales		Definitely not a factory job. I'll explain why: German law prohibits the display of the swastika other than in a handful of situations (such as when making a film or TV programme, or as the religious symbol it was before the Nazis defiled it), other than that it's banned. That's why if you come across any factory-built models sold in Germany the circle below the eagle will have something else in, on the Fleischmann thunderbox I have there's just a black and silver speckled pattern in it. Plastic kits of WW2 aircraft and tanks will either leave it out completely or use a plain cross. Museums seem to be allowed to show it for historical accuracy, but I get the impression it's done on a case-by-case basis and shows a bit of common sense. For example, a collection of aircraft with swastikas on their tail fins and panels explaining technical details would be acceptable, so long as there's nothing which could be taken as approval of the symbol or Nazi ideology.
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H0		#30 Posted : 16 August 2014 10:52:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,266 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Dangermouse German law prohibits the display of the swastika Laws change over time. I remember buying plastic aircraft kits that included swastika decals. The 3102 came 1979. At that time the planes still came with swastika decals. The loco doesn't look like a Märklin job.
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Shamu		#31 Posted : 16 August 2014 13:28:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,068 Location: In a building site in Yeppoon		Sorry Eddie but as the others have said it is definitely a "bitzer". Not the right loco for the box and definitely (at least from memory) nothing like the one Barry bought back from his trip to Europe in '96. Such is life.
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MalinAC		#32 Posted : 16 August 2014 17:28:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		Well regardless what anybody else thinks about it I still think its a great paint job and cant wait till it arrives into my hands. Going on the other one-off paint jobs shown here on the Forum its the equal of any of them and better than most. As to the box Im sure I can find a right box for it somewhere . Take care Eddie .
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Shamu		#33 Posted : 16 August 2014 23:42:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,068 Location: In a building site in Yeppoon		So long as your happy with it Eddie that's all that matters. As I recently said to Tim, "so long as I like the looks of a loco and it fits in with my gear I'll get it". I was hoping it might have been a special run or at least a traceable "hand made" that I could have tracked down for myself. Now I'll just keep a eye out for a cheep good BR53 with a ratty body and have a go at a respray myself. I built at least fifty model tanks/military vehicles as a teenager so with a bit of patience I might just pull it off one day. All the best and enjoy it.
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