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Offline marklinsncf  
#1 Posted : 31 July 2014 00:32:33(UTC)
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Hello, I know Marklin produced several series of the TT800. On the door of the boiler, on the front of the locomotive (door that can be opened), I have noticed that it's written 86-197 on most TT800 that I have seen. On mine, it shows "800" only. I would be interested to know what series my locomotive belongs to, year(s) produced? Thanks in advance!
Offline river6109  
#2 Posted : 31 July 2014 07:01:39(UTC)
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the best way to find out is the Kolls catalogue and my last copy is from 1993 as you will find by this time Kolls had pretty much found out how many of these different models had been produced. your particular model has been produced in 1951 with TT 800 and on the door 800., in a mint condition with all its papers and box it could fetch over US$ 1000.00 but if you intend to sell it there is always demand for rare locos like this may be even without a box, it depends

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Offline steventrain  
#3 Posted : 31 July 2014 11:03:18(UTC)
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TT800 without 86197 on it - date 1951. Koll price 900 euro

TT800 with 86197 date 1952-1956 Koll price 700 euro (Slow switch eliminates 1953-56 Koll price between 500 and 600 euro).

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Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#4 Posted : 31 July 2014 11:08:45(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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Your model has been produced in 1951, but there are many fake on the market due the facility to sobsitute the door with a replica available from the most famous repaires services in Germany.
(Only maniacs for money do this BigGrin )

TT 800
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Offline marklinsncf  
#5 Posted : 31 July 2014 20:30:24(UTC)
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It shows 86 197 and TT800 on the side near the cab and on the other side of the cab shows 86 197 and Marklin.
On the boiler door it shows 800. I have this loco since the 80's so the door was not replaced ;-)
So 1951 yes?
I noticed some old TT800 were 131, weird mine is 141
Thanks for all the replies!

Also, before I forget, I also have an RSM800 and it confuses me. I opened it, everything looks intact inside, does not look like anyone touched anything BUT, it only runs on DC current, not AC.... any idea what modification would have been done to it? How to make it again AC? Does anyone think Marklin produced some DC / 3 rail locomotives? I know it's a different subject, not sure if I should have oened a new topic. Thanks!
Offline MS 800  
#6 Posted : 01 August 2014 23:30:03(UTC)
MS 800

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Hi,

the 131 (262) is a TP 800, which was built from 1948 to 1950 and in 1951 was replaced by the TT 800 141 (282) engine. Many parts of the TP 800 can be used on the TT 800 as well and boys they were - by Märklin itself. Thus, the old TP 800 smokebox doors with 800 on them were used up in the first series of the TT 800.

Take care

MS 800

Edited by user 08 November 2014 22:28:43(UTC)  | Reason: Year corrected: 1948

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Offline MS 800  
#7 Posted : 01 August 2014 23:49:53(UTC)
MS 800

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Originally Posted by: marklinsncf Go to Quoted Post
... I also have an RSM800 and it confuses me. I opened it, everything looks intact inside, does not look like anyone touched anything BUT, it only runs on DC current, not AC.... any idea what modification would have been done to it? How to make it again AC? Does anyone think Marklin produced some DC / 3 rail locomotives? I know it's a different subject, not sure if I should have oened a new topic. Thanks!


... maybe you should have, but I'll try to give an answer here.

In the 50es Märklin never produced DC models, but especially in France 3 rail DC was widesperad and many Märklin locos were converted to 3 rail DC professionally.

This is a very simple chore, since the Märklin motors are allstrom motors, which means that they can be run on AC or DC respectively. Only - the DC driver is used to change directions by changing the polarity of the current, whilst the AC driver is used to reverse via the solenoid switch inside the loco. For that reason, changing a Märklin loco to 3 rail DC involves removing the solenoid switch and replacing it with simply a pair of diodes. They are soldered to the body mass of the loco (not the current pickup as stated on 2014-08-01) in antiparallel mode and the other end of one of them is connected to one of the motor's magnetic field coils, the other diode to the other coil - and the loco runs on 3 rail DC and changes its direction on reversing the DC polarity.

You, therefore, should look for the solenoid switch and, in case there is one, see if it is connected, since many hobbyists did not even care to remove it. Diodes even then did not take up much space. Thus, the keen amateur simply diconnected the solenoid and added the diodes.

Best

MS 800

Edited by user 08 November 2014 22:27:36(UTC)  | Reason: erroneous description of conversion to 3 rail DC - put right now. Corrected some typos. More typos c

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Offline marklinsncf  
#8 Posted : 03 August 2014 22:08:13(UTC)
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Danke Sehr !!!! Makes sense, thanks for all the good info. My RSM800 indeed was purchased in France and probably modified to run on a VB layout which is very similar to Marklin of the old days. The only difference, VB was 3 rail DC. It's a matter of fact, Marklin purchased the patent of VB.
Best regards!
Francois
Offline marklinsncf  
#9 Posted : 15 August 2014 03:20:06(UTC)
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I may consider selling my TT-800 if someone is interested. Please contact me. Thanks!
Offline MS 800  
#10 Posted : 15 August 2014 22:56:47(UTC)
MS 800

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If you want to get good information on VB and the differences of the VB track as compared to the Märklin model track, you should refer to this site.

Since I cannot read French really good and the comparison of the pictures is not in all cases sufficient in order to understand fully what is said, I got good results translating the important bits with www.babelfish.com.

I'd just like to state at the moment that to me the main difference between VB track and Märklin "model track" are the stud contacts used by Märklin in 1953 already, whereas VB stayed at the solid centre rail till the end.

Best

MS 800
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