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Offline shamrock  
#1 Posted : 04 June 2014 16:51:33(UTC)
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Rheingold 4228. Fantastic!

I've had my eye on it for some time and as I approach finalizing my birthday wish list a set happened to pop up and I picked it up for a scream of a deal. Even better, it showed up pretty much mint!

A few questions, however, for what seems to be a well known set. I have read a few older threads on this forum as reference points but I believe the last on couplers I found was 2005.

1. What is the updated version of current conducting couplers that would be recommended for this set?
- Using the bars from the box gives me the sense there is a real chance for uncoupling.

2. Is this what is regarded as 'sheetmetal' tinplate? The set is described in all my reading as tinplate but it is certainly thinner than my "older" tinplates and even more so than my vintage tinplates. They are gorgeously detailed so I am very happy, nontheless, but interested if anyone has any specific details regarding production.

3. Trouble shooting lighting in one coach? The only knock against my particular set is that one coach does not readily light up but I have not investigated further. Any quick things to look for?

Finally, if anyone has ever thought of adding this set to their collection I would highly recommend it. I don't think I can add anything to what has already been discussed but it is certainly finely crafted and highly detailed with excellent colors.

Cheers,

Tim
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#2 Posted : 04 June 2014 18:25:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shamrock Go to Quoted Post
Rheingold 4228. Fantastic!

I've had my eye on it for some time and as I approach finalizing my birthday wish list a set happened to pop up and I picked it up for a scream of a deal. Even better, it showed up pretty much mint!

A few questions, however, for what seems to be a well known set. I have read a few older threads on this forum as reference points but I believe the last on couplers I found was 2005.

1. What is the updated version of current conducting couplers that would be recommended for this set?
- Using the bars from the box gives me the sense there is a real chance for uncoupling.

2. Is this what is regarded as 'sheetmetal' tinplate? The set is described in all my reading as tinplate but it is certainly thinner than my "older" tinplates and even more so than my vintage tinplates. They are gorgeously detailed so I am very happy, nontheless, but interested if anyone has any specific details regarding production.

3. Trouble shooting lighting in one coach? The only knock against my particular set is that one coach does not readily light up but I have not investigated further. Any quick things to look for?

Finally, if anyone has ever thought of adding this set to their collection I would highly recommend it. I don't think I can add anything to what has already been discussed but it is certainly finely crafted and highly detailed with excellent colors.

Cheers,

Tim


Tim,

This is a great set.

1) If you install the current conducting bars correctly, unless there is a defect they should perform admirably. I recently ran mine set on Mike's layout at his inaugural exhibition, and the set ran all day without any faults. I am very happy with the bars, except they can be a pain to connect.

A video of my set being run at the exhibition;



2) The only production information I have to hand is from the Kolls Guide. First there are two versions of the set, the first was made only for 3 years 1984-86 and can be identified as the Deutsche Reichsbahn lettering is >46mm<, whereas in the second set the said lettering is >39mm< and it was made for 14 years 1991-2004. The sets consist of 5 wagons, in Rheingoldfarben (beige and violet), the Wagens are metal, and they have interiors with table lamps made with diode lights. Set consists of Baggage car, Saloon Car 2nd Class, Saloon Car 2nd Class with Kitchen, Saloon Car 1st Class and Saloon Car 1st Class with kitchen. The baggage car has illuminated tail lights. All cars fitted with current conducting bars, except the two end connectors which are KKK couplings.

3) First check the bars are connected correctly allowing the current to pass through, give them a gentle wiggle to see if it is connection issue, they can sometimes be a little fickle, check the copper contacts are clean, check your wiring is all in order, failing that it may be a more serious issue.

I would agree with your recommendation for anyone considering this set. I hope the above helps.

BR

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Offline shamrock  
#3 Posted : 04 June 2014 20:34:15(UTC)
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Glenn,

Thank you for your response and including the excellent video. Your set includes the Rheingold locomotive which must be from the blue tin package. It looks great!

Problem solved. I re-connected the first car and it fully lit. Just a matter of making sure it's fully connected and the bar pops into place. Thank you for the vote of confidence that it will maintain its connection while running.

Cheers,

Tim
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#4 Posted : 04 June 2014 20:48:15(UTC)
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Keep an eye on the metal clip inside the coupler pocket. Sometimes when you insert the current conducting drawbar, the drawbar will not slide under the clip and it will then push the clip out of the back of the coupler pocket. If you place the coach on it's side, you can hold the clip in place with a small screwdriver while inserting the drawbar if this is your problem. 72020 current conducting couplers work well here.

I remember anxiously awaiting the arrival of this set when it came out. The table lamps and tinplate construction where big news then.
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#5 Posted : 04 June 2014 21:17:27(UTC)
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It is a wonderful set indeed, however I managed to crash mine together with a 3518 in the late 90's (A complete train dive to the floor, derailing at higher speed...) ...
Still trying to find time to repair all the broken couplers of the 4228... Glare
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#6 Posted : 04 June 2014 22:17:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
Keep an eye on the metal clip inside the coupler pocket. Sometimes when you insert the current conducting drawbar, the drawbar will not slide under the clip and it will then push the clip out of the back of the coupler pocket. If you place the coach on it's side, you can hold the clip in place with a small screwdriver while inserting the drawbar if this is your problem. 72020 current conducting couplers work well here.

I remember anxiously awaiting the arrival of this set when it came out. The table lamps and tinplate construction where big news then.


Good tip, Matt!

What is nice about the table lamps is that they seem to work well even with the room lit and the color looks great with the coaches. I have to investigate further but perhaps the 72020 couplers are easier to set up than the drawbars.

Thanks,

Tim
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#7 Posted : 04 June 2014 22:22:39(UTC)
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It is a wonderful set indeed, however I managed to crash mine together with a 3518 in the late 90's (A complete train dive to the floor, derailing at higher speed...) ...
Still trying to find time to repair all the broken couplers of the 4228... Glare


That scares me as I have been including the kids with switching turnouts and the other day I almost watched my Crocodile swallow a mouthful of commuters! Blink

I will have to guard the track a bit better now.

Cheers,

Tim
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#8 Posted : 04 June 2014 22:32:09(UTC)
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I have to investigate further but perhaps the 72020 couplers are easier to set up than the drawbars.
They fit, but the gap between coaches will be bigger. I'd stick to the drawbars.

Regards
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#9 Posted : 04 June 2014 22:52:44(UTC)
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I have to investigate further but perhaps the 72020 couplers are easier to set up than the drawbars.
They fit, but the gap between coaches will be bigger. I'd stick to the drawbars.



Makes sense, Tom.

Thanks!
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#10 Posted : 04 June 2014 22:59:16(UTC)
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It is a wonderful set indeed, however I managed to crash mine together with a 3518 in the late 90's (A complete train dive to the floor, derailing at higher speed...) ...
Still trying to find time to repair all the broken couplers of the 4228... Glare


If it makes you feel better, mine did THE EXACT SAME THING (with the same 3518 locomotive!) from the mantle to the living room floor... I'm still in tears 20 years later.... I never did manage to fix the loco 100%
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#11 Posted : 05 June 2014 03:39:29(UTC)
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Excellent set Tim.

Its got to be the "I Want" carriage set for all Marklin Junkies.

Although I don't have the 4228 a few years back when the Aussie dollar was riding high I bought 2 of the 42283 sets for under $650. 1 to stash away and the other to run. I have personally never been a fan of the tin plate wagons but these are absolutely beautiful.
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#12 Posted : 05 June 2014 04:45:53(UTC)
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Excellent set Tim.

Its got to be the "I Want" carriage set for all Marklin Junkies.

Although I don't have the 4228 a few years back when the Aussie dollar was riding high I bought 2 of the 42283 sets for under $650. 1 to stash away and the other to run. I have personally never been a fan of the tin plate wagons but these are absolutely beautiful.


Thank you, Shane! I can understand why.

Smart idea on 2 sets. I am sure I will still keep an eye out for another or the 42283 or even the 41928! The tin plate is so slick and clearly detailed I had to hold one up against my newer DR skirted coaches to compare.





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#13 Posted : 05 June 2014 05:46:57(UTC)
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Thank you, Shane! I can understand why.

Smart idea on 2 sets. I am sure I will still keep an eye out for another or the 42283 or even the 41928! The tin plate is so slick and clearly detailed I had to hold one up against my newer DR skirted coaches to compare.




Arh yep Tim,

I got a 41928 first and after buying the 42283's I bought a old Liliput 821 Rheingold Baggage Car to bring it up to a 6 coach consist as well. Considering the 42283 came later I was surprised they don't have the decoder socket like the 41928. Confused

I've got 2 BR 18.4's and a S3/6 but would love to get hold of one of the matching Br 18's (blue box though I don't think released on its own) to go with 1 of the Rheingold sets. I have toyed with a 37186 S3/6 to go with one but its not really kosher.

So far other than taking the lid off the box neither of the 42283 sets have been out of the carton but 1 is definitely going to be a virgin all its life with me.
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#14 Posted : 05 June 2014 08:01:33(UTC)
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41928 and the overdue 41929 are plastic, new mould, prepared for decoder. Come with factory-installed 72020.

4228ff are old, tin-plate, no decoder sockets, special drawbar (shorter than usual). 72020 can be used, but with a gap.

See post #520 here:
https://www.marklin-user...-Edition.aspx#post299752
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Offline shamrock  
#15 Posted : 05 June 2014 22:42:07(UTC)
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Arh yep Tim,

I got a 41928 first and after buying the 42283's I bought a old Liliput 821 Rheingold Baggage Car to bring it up to a 6 coach consist as well. Considering the 42283 came later I was surprised they don't have the decoder socket like the 41928. Confused

I've got 2 BR 18.4's and a S3/6 but would love to get hold of one of the matching Br 18's (blue box though I don't think released on its own) to go with 1 of the Rheingold sets. I have toyed with a 37186 S3/6 to go with one but its not really kosher.

So far other than taking the lid off the box neither of the 42283 sets have been out of the carton but 1 is definitely going to be a virgin all its life with me.

*******************************************************************************************************************

I agree, the matching BR18 per Glenn's video takes it up a notch. I personally like the colors of the 4228/42283 best but my idea for the 41928 is to couple it with the 39023 which is one of my favorites. Something about the blue/violet combo that I initally would not put together makes it very interesting to me.

I will probably wait for a deal on a 37183 for the 4228 but I wouldn't mind sneaking in a 39017 for it if I could! Love
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#16 Posted : 05 June 2014 22:50:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
41928 and the overdue 41929 are plastic, new mould, prepared for decoder. Come with factory-installed 72020.

4228ff are old, tin-plate, no decoder sockets, special drawbar (shorter than usual). 72020 can be used, but with a gap.

See post #520 here:
https://www.marklin-user...-Edition.aspx#post299752



Thank you for the link, Tom. Great photo example. I did notice upon first connection how tight the gap was in between coaches and I was very impressed with the look.

I also noticed when expediting the train off my inner loop that I never want to see my Rheingold on an R1 curve again!!! Cursing

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Tim
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#17 Posted : 06 June 2014 03:00:18(UTC)
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I agree, the matching BR18 per Glenn's video takes it up a notch. I personally like the colors of the 4228/42283 best but my idea for the 41928 is to couple it with the 39023 which is one of my favorites. Something about the blue/violet combo that I initally would not put together makes it very interesting to me.

I will probably wait for a deal on a 37183 for the 4228 but I wouldn't mind sneaking in a 39017 for it if I could! Love


Oh dear oh dear,

Could blame the forum but I'm a big boy so its my problem....... the things we do, no wonder the better half is miffed with me......Cursing Glare Cursing

Lashed out last night and bought a 37186 to go with 1 of the 42283's Blushing and you mentioning a BR 01 got me thinking there was a blue/black one a few years back......(starter set maybe) now I'll be looking for that as well RollEyes . I'm even thinking that the BR 18.3's would go far better with the Rheingold. In fact I recall my german uncle saying that the 18.4 never went anywhere near the Rheingold service and BR01's were far more common.

Yes Tim, your right about the R1 curves, they just look so untidy. All my mainlines are going to be a minimum R3/R4 to try to minimize the ridiculous overhang of coaches. Its always seamed wrong to me that the mega sets with coaches in them come with R1 curves.
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#18 Posted : 06 June 2014 04:54:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shamrock Go to Quoted Post


I agree, the matching BR18 per Glenn's video takes it up a notch. I personally like the colors of the 4228/42283 best but my idea for the 41928 is to couple it with the 39023 which is one of my favorites. Something about the blue/violet combo that I initally would not put together makes it very interesting to me.

I will probably wait for a deal on a 37183 for the 4228 but I wouldn't mind sneaking in a 39017 for it if I could! Love


Oh dear oh dear,

Could blame the forum but I'm a big boy so its my problem....... the things we do, no wonder the better half is miffed with me......Cursing Glare Cursing

Lashed out last night and bought a 37186 to go with 1 of the 42283's Blushing and you mentioning a BR 01 got me thinking there was a blue/black one a few years back......(starter set maybe) now I'll be looking for that as well RollEyes . I'm even thinking that the BR 18.3's would go far better with the Rheingold. In fact I recall my german uncle saying that the 18.4 never went anywhere near the Rheingold service and BR01's were far more common.

Yes Tim, your right about the R1 curves, they just look so untidy. All my mainlines are going to be a minimum R3/R4 to try to minimize the ridiculous overhang of coaches. Its always seamed wrong to me that the mega sets with coaches in them come with R1 curves.



Shane, I like the way you think. I have a folder on the computer titled "Next Lok" and I have the 37186, 37185 and 37181 near the top.

Coincidently, when I couldn't decide last week between the 39023 or 39022 for a future 41928 I lashed out and bought a 37113 K.W.St.E Class C to go with my Wurttemberg coaches. BigGrin

I am not sure I have seen a blue/black BR 01 but I do like the color combo on the BR 03 37916. Also, you're correct that the BR 18.3 or Br 01 is the way to go for the 4228/42283. Good deals now on the 37183 and 33184, however, if someone did want an 18.4.
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#19 Posted : 06 June 2014 05:21:02(UTC)
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Shane, I like the way you think. I have a folder on the computer titled "Next Lok" and I have the 37186, 37185 and 37181 near the top.

Coincidently, when I couldn't decide last week between the 39023 or 39022 for a future 41928 I lashed out and bought a 37113 K.W.St.E Class C to go with my Wurttemberg coaches. BigGrin

I am not sure I have seen a blue/black BR 01 but I do like the color combo on the BR 03 37916. Also, you're correct that the BR 18.3 or Br 01 is the way to go for the 4228/42283. Good deals now on the 37183 and 33184 if you're looking!



Tim,

You have me thinking that maybe it was the BR 03 37916 I had in mind but I'm positive the one I'm thinking of had the same scheme for the loco but a mostly black coal tender. I'm sure it was a BR 01 but maybe it was a 03, definitely a mostly black coal tender though.

After the major splurges in the last 3 months I will for the foreseeable future have to pull my head in buying train related gear before I'm divorced. Blushing or worse Crying
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#20 Posted : 06 June 2014 06:26:29(UTC)
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Good choices on those locos Tim!!

I have a 37181 to go with a 4228 and a 37183 to go with a 42283. I also have a 39020, 39021 and a 39023, all BR 18.3s. I have the 39020 for my 41928 set. And I have the 39016 also. All very nice locos ...

Robert
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#21 Posted : 06 June 2014 07:09:06(UTC)
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Good choices on those locos Tim!!

I have a 37181 to go with a 4228 and a 37183 to go with a 42283. I also have a 39020, 39021 and a 39023, all BR 18.3s. I have the 39020 for my 41928 set. And I have the 39016 also. All very nice locos ...

Robert


Thank you, Robert. Each of yours are fantastic and I do like the 39020 pulling the 41928. Decisions, decisions!
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#22 Posted : 06 June 2014 08:40:07(UTC)
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Lashed out last night and bought a 37186 to go with 1 of the 42283's Blushing and you mentioning a BR 01 got me thinking there was a blue/black one a few years back......(starter set maybe) now I'll be looking for that as well RollEyes .
There never was a blue BR 01 in real life, neither was there a blue BR 03.
DB had three blue BR 03.10 locos (but Märklin do not have the correct mould to make models of them). Bad choice for a DRG Rheingold anyway.

Originally Posted by: Shamu Go to Quoted Post
In fact I recall my german uncle saying that the 18.4 never went anywhere near the Rheingold service and BR01's were far more common.
AFAIK the BR 18.4 with huge wheels was commonly used for the Rheingold, but mainly BR 18.5 were used in the early years (BR 18.4 and 18.5 are different batches of the bay S 3/6). So far Märklin only made the BR 18.4 with small wheels (and it may be true that those small wheelers were never used with the Rheingold).
I've heard the first BR 01 were used with the Rheingold after 1932/1933 (coaches with the big Rheingold letters), so a 1928 Rheingold needs a different loco.
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#23 Posted : 06 June 2014 10:08:26(UTC)
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I have found a few photos with 01's, most with BR18 small wheels (no idea the difference between .5 and .4). I am sure the ones with big wheels must exist but could not find them as they are probably too old and not many people have them to upload. I did find two with a P8!

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#24 Posted : 06 June 2014 10:43:37(UTC)
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Lashed out last night and bought a 37186 to go with 1 of the 42283's Blushing and you mentioning a BR 01 got me thinking there was a blue/black one a few years back......(starter set maybe) now I'll be looking for that as well RollEyes .
There never was a blue BR 01 in real life, neither was there a blue BR 03.
DB had three blue BR 03.10 locos (but Märklin do not have the correct mould to make models of them). Bad choice for a DRG Rheingold anyway.

Originally Posted by: Shamu Go to Quoted Post
In fact I recall my german uncle saying that the 18.4 never went anywhere near the Rheingold service and BR01's were far more common.
AFAIK the BR 18.4 with huge wheels was commonly used for the Rheingold, but mainly BR 18.5 were used in the early years (BR 18.4 and 18.5 are different batches of the bay S 3/6). So far Märklin only made the BR 18.4 with small wheels (and it may be true that those small wheelers were never used with the Rheingold).
I've heard the first BR 01 were used with the Rheingold after 1932/1933 (coaches with the big Rheingold letters), so a 1928 Rheingold needs a different loco.


True Tom but it was a loco that appealed to me. Likewise the 37186 is far from kosher for the Rheingold but I think they go well together.

Yes you are correct, I tend for simplicity to refer to the small wheel 18.4 as such and the large wheel version as the 18.3 simply because it is the closest that Marklin make. I realise they are 2 different branches of the 18 family but the Marklin 18.3 is the closest available (from Marklin at least) to a large wheel 18.4.

I can not recall the name uncle Thorsten use to refer to the large wheeled 18.4 but he always complained that Marklin should know better and make a "proper" (insert forgotten name here) 18.4.

Sorry, me being clear as mud again.
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#25 Posted : 06 June 2014 12:33:37(UTC)
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Obsolete.

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#26 Posted : 06 June 2014 12:36:23(UTC)
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Yes you are correct, I tend for simplicity to refer to the small wheel 18.4 as such and the large wheel version as the 18.3 simply because it is the closest that Marklin make.
BR 18.4 has been made with small wheels (1870 mm IIRC) and large wheels (2000 mm IIRC).
BR 18.3 is a completely different class (2300 mm IIRC).

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#27 Posted : 06 June 2014 14:18:33(UTC)
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I have been following the discussion regarding locomotives used to hall the original Rheingold. I decided to consult the only book I have on the Rheingold which is in German (I don't read much German). The author is Freidheim Ernst and it was published by Alba in the 1970's. It is not a large book and I haven't opened it for years but I noted that it cost me $9-00 (in the 1970's when the Rheingold was [and still is] my favourite express train).

The following locos are listed as being used to haul the original Rheingold which ran from 1928 till the outbreak of WW2:

1. BR 18.4 (ex Bay S3/6) with 2 m driving wheels : 18 441, 18 445, 18 447, 18 450, 18 451.

2. BR 18.4/5 with standard driving wheels and flat cabs (as opposed to the windcutter cab in the Marklin model of the S3/6 / 18.4) :
18 498, 18 517, 18 518, 18 520, 18 521,18 522, 18 524, 18 525, 18 527, 18 529, 18 531, 18 533, 18 534, 18 536, 18 537, 18 538.
I believe this group of locos came from the last batch of S3/6's which were produced bythe DRG to fill a shortage of heavy passenger locos while waiting for the DRG's einheits locos ( the BR 01's and BR 03's) to enter production.

3. BR 18.3 (ex bad IV h). No locos numbers are listed but there is a photo in the book of 18 312 at Mannhiem hauling the Rheingold. From my limited understanding of German, 20 BR 18.3's were allocated to Offenburg in 1934 and were used to haul the Rheingold between Mannheim and Basel.

4. BR 01. I gather that these locos were also used from 1934 between Mannheim and Basel. No numbers are listed.

This list is not exhaustive. Their are 3 photos in the book of the Rheingold being hauled by a BR 38 (ex Prussian P8's - one was 38 2493, another was 38 1726, but the third is not identified), and another photo of a BR 03 hauling a consist of 2 coaches and a guard's van. I also recall having seen a photo of a BR 39 hauling the Rheingold, but I cannot remember where I saw it. However, the majority of photos I have seen show the Rheingold being hauled by BR 18.4's, and none of these had the windcutter cab present on the Marklin model which, I believe, was initially based on the preserved 18 478 produced as catalogue number 3091.

I hope this might clarify a little which locos were used to haul the Rheingold.

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#28 Posted : 06 June 2014 17:38:58(UTC)
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I have been following the discussion regarding locomotives used to hall the original Rheingold. I decided to consult the only book I have on the Rheingold which is in German (I don't read much German). The author is Freidheim Ernst and it was published by Alba in the 1970's. It is not a large book and I haven't opened it for years but I noted that it cost me $9-00 (in the 1970's when the Rheingold was [and still is] my favourite express train).


Geoff



Geoff,

Thank you for the author's name and publisher. I found a number of helpful links based off that info. I have only had the time to quickly scan them so far but I found a few interesting tidbits.

Excerpt from http://www.rig-bahn.jp/db-page/erheingold-1.htm :

"Before WWII, each "Rheingold" train was operated by three locomotives.

At first, Rheingold was operated only by a steam locos with 4 cylinders.
Between Hoek von Holland and Zevenaar and between Amsterdam CS and Utrecht, the train was hauled by class 3700, later by class 3900. Between Zevenaar and Mannheim it was hauled by BW Wiesbaden`s class 18.4 (Former Bayern S3/6), and in the south of Mannheim by BW Offenburg`s class 18.3 (Former Baden IVh). In Switzerland class Ae4/7 hauled "Rheingold".

Class 01 had already entered in service, but it was not used for "Rheingold". It was because the weight per one axle was too heavy for Linke Rheinstrecke. At that time the weight per an axle was limited to 18t, but that of class 01 was 19.8t.

When the train was delayed, the locos were not exchanged. And sometimes class 38.10-40 hauiled this train instead of class 18.3.
At first five locomotives of class 18.4 (18.441 / 445 / 447 / 450 / 451) were used for "Rheingold" but later other locomotives of class 18.4 and locomotives of class 18.4-5 (18 479 -548) were also used. From 1931, "Rheingold" was hauled between Zevenaar and Mannheim by BW Mainz`s locomotives, and 18 521 - 528 were moved from BW Wiesbaden to BW Mainz.

In April and May 1931, Rheingold locos between Mannheim and Basel were exchanged from class 18.3 to class 01 077 - 081. And From 1934 class 01 hauled "Rheingold" between Zevenaar and Mannheim, too. Then class 01 hauled Rheingold in Germany until 1939.
Class 01 hauled Rheingold for longer time than any other locos did. But many railway fans still prefer class 18.4."

Cheers,

Tim
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#29 Posted : 07 June 2014 11:41:30(UTC)
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Hi Tim

Thanks for the additional information and links. This information is probably in the book I have, but my lack of knowledge of German has kept it hidden from me.

Regards
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#30 Posted : 07 June 2014 16:28:49(UTC)
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Rheingold 4228. Fantastic!

I've had my eye on it for some time and as I approach finalizing my birthday wish list a set happened to pop up and I picked it up for a scream of a deal. Even better, it showed up pretty much mint!

A few questions, however, for what seems to be a well known set. I have read a few older threads on this forum as reference points but I believe the last on couplers I found was 2005.


Tim,

A great early birthday decision! IMHO, the 4228 is one of the best model-sets Marklin’s ever made . . . . but then I have a particularly fond bias towards metal bodies and table lamps. Regardless of whatever else I'm running, the Rheingold's pretty much always somewhere on track. I use a long semaphore-controlled siding to turn its lights off when I want to park it for a while.

Earlier posts have covered your options (and some cautions) very well, so I’ll only add a few photos and comments. They're of course just my opinions. Other folks may differ and corrections are always appreciated.

Current-Conducting Couplers – I’ve installed 72020s on the coaches & highly recommend them. For me, drawbars are cumbersome. They’re difficult to install/remove properly, make it hard to set the consist on track, and tedious to re-track if (when) a car occasionally derails. Finally, unlike drawbars, you only need to install CC couplers once. The slightly wider gap between cars that the 72020s cause isn’t an issue for me. I'd convert most of my other lighted coaches if the 72020 kits were less expensive.

Extra Baggage Car – Like you, I also use a Liliput Rheingold Baggage Car at the front. It’s shown in the photos below. I’ve replaced its DC wheels with Marklin AC sets for better tracking. After just a bit of adjustment, its OEM Relex-type couplers work fine.

Locomotives – I usually pull the set with a BR 18.4 (37183), or with a Baden BR 18.3 (39020). Per your notes in Post #28 (thanks), either is OK prototypically, though the 18.4 was much more common. I also occasionally use a BR 03 (37953) since it's visually similar to a BR 01 & has nice a Telex coupler. The first photo shows the 18.4; the second shows the “Big-Wheeled” 18.3 for comparison.

I don't have a photo of the Rheingold set with a BR 03. But the last photo shows the 03 pulling a similar-bodied Gluckauf (42281) set. The Gluckaufs were made by the DB from Rheingold coaches a few years after WW II -- repainted and fitted with less luxurious, higher capacity seating arrangements, and no table lamps. The models are still tin-plate, but without interior lighting. The Baggage Car is a Marklin #4140.

Again, you made a great decision on the Rheingold, and one I’m sure you’re enjoying.

Regards -- Richard

P.S. On your lighting problem . . . . I had the same issue on two coaches when I first received them. Fixed it fairly simply by using a thin wire brad to ensure the copper contacts were flat and fully extended inside the couplers’ pockets before installing a drawbar or CC coupler.

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#31 Posted : 07 June 2014 19:25:34(UTC)
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Another photo of the real Rheingold. Loco appears to be a BR 18.4. Found somewhere on the internet, but long enough ago that I don't remember the source.

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#32 Posted : 08 June 2014 20:04:08(UTC)
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Another sollution for the couplers are the 5910 RTS.They are working perfect to all my USA streamliners.BigGrin
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#33 Posted : 08 June 2014 20:28:44(UTC)
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Some other class such as 01, 38 and 44 to use the Rheingold.

http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergalerie

Type Rheingold in Volltextsuche box and click suchen.
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#34 Posted : 09 June 2014 17:08:16(UTC)
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Glenn,

Thank you for your response and including the excellent video. Your set includes the Rheingold locomotive which must be from the blue tin package. It looks great!

Problem solved. I re-connected the first car and it fully lit. Just a matter of making sure it's fully connected and the bar pops into place. Thank you for the vote of confidence that it will maintain its connection while running.

Cheers,

Tim


Tim,

Just to clarify the Rheingold set is being pulled by Märklin item 33186 - BR S3/6 in König-Ludwig Lackierung, which I just happen to think looks great with the set. I am not sure it this could be prototypical or not.

The tin box version [Märklin item 26751] of the loco referred to in your thread has a beige area of paint on the cab and tender of the loco as well as the words Rheingold on the tender.

All the best

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#35 Posted : 10 June 2014 05:23:54(UTC)
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FYI for those interested.

Found the letter from my uncle Thorsten from '97 (he would have been mid 80's then)....... my german has gone to pot in recent years but I'm fairly sure he refers to a "flat nose/face" BR 18d with 2m (somethingConfused ) wheels and BR 01's after the early 1930's. He also makes reference to other loco's being used as well....... I think.

Sorry if there are typo's as his writing wasn't real flash but I've done my best to transcribe the relevant section.

Die "flache Nase Ingenieure Stand" (mit 2m Antriebsräder) br 18d war die einzige Version war im gemeinsamen Einsatz mit dem Rheingold, sondern auch die Aufteilung nach dem Beginn der 30er Jahre die 01 br. Insgesamt nutzten viele verschiedene Lok, aber sie am meisten gesehen wurden.
Das Märklin-Modell des 18,4 ist nicht repräsentativ für den Motor mit dem Rheingold-Dienst verwendet, und sie sollte es besser wissen, aber es ist als eine Klasse richtig.


Sorry to the german speakers here if I have mucked up copying it down. Blushing
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#36 Posted : 10 June 2014 07:52:51(UTC)
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"br 18d" refers to batch d of the bay S 3/6: larger wheels, different engineer cab, different smoke stack, larger tender.
Batches e and d looked the same, locos 18 441 through 449 and 18 452 through 458.
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#37 Posted : 10 June 2014 07:55:14(UTC)
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Some other class such as 01, 38 and 44 to use the Rheingold.
The pictures with BR 038 are from 1971, the pictures with the BR 44 are from 1976.

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#38 Posted : 10 June 2014 13:56:16(UTC)
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Just my 5 cents worth on this set.
I love it too. The loco I use is a 34112 with the Olympic rings on the tender.
Sorry I dont have any Pic's, but to me it looks good together.
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#39 Posted : 10 June 2014 16:36:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shamrock Go to Quoted Post



Tim,

A great early birthday decision! IMHO, the 4228 is one of the best model-sets Marklin’s ever made . . . . but then I have a particularly fond bias towards metal bodies and table lamps. Regardless of whatever else I'm running, the Rheingold's pretty much always somewhere on track. I use a long semaphore-controlled siding to turn its lights off when I want to park it for a while.

Earlier posts have covered your options (and some cautions) very well, so I’ll only add a few photos and comments. They're of course just my opinions. Other folks may differ and corrections are always appreciated.

Current-Conducting Couplers – I’ve installed 72020s on the coaches & highly recommend them. For me, drawbars are cumbersome. They’re difficult to install/remove properly, make it hard to set the consist on track, and tedious to re-track if (when) a car occasionally derails. Finally, unlike drawbars, you only need to install CC couplers once. The slightly wider gap between cars that the 72020s cause isn’t an issue for me. I'd convert most of my other lighted coaches if the 72020 kits were less expensive.

Extra Baggage Car – Like you, I also use a Liliput Rheingold Baggage Car at the front. It’s shown in the photos below. I’ve replaced its DC wheels with Marklin AC sets for better tracking. After just a bit of adjustment, its OEM Relex-type couplers work fine.

Locomotives – I usually pull the set with a BR 18.4 (37183), or with a Baden BR 18.3 (39020). Per your notes in Post #28 (thanks), either is OK prototypically, though the 18.4 was much more common. I also occasionally use a BR 03 (37953) since it's visually similar to a BR 01 & has nice a Telex coupler. The first photo shows the 18.4; the second shows the “Big-Wheeled” 18.3 for comparison.

I don't have a photo of the Rheingold set with a BR 03. But the last photo shows the 03 pulling a similar-bodied Gluckauf (42281) set. The Gluckaufs were made by the DB from Rheingold coaches a few years after WW II -- repainted and fitted with less luxurious, higher capacity seating arrangements, and no table lamps. The models are still tin-plate, but without interior lighting. The Baggage Car is a Marklin #4140.

Again, you made a great decision on the Rheingold, and one I’m sure you’re enjoying.

Regards -- Richard

P.S. On your lighting problem . . . . I had the same issue on two coaches when I first received them. Fixed it fairly simply by using a thin wire brad to ensure the copper contacts were flat and fully extended inside the couplers’ pockets before installing a drawbar or CC coupler.



Richard,

Thank you again for the detailed info. You photos are great! Very nice collection you have. I may still make a move on the 37183 as it is a no brainer with the 4228 but I feel that may be all I pull with it. Starting small, I am still looking for locomotives that can be used well with a couple different sets.

As I utilize the 4228 more I will be able to best decide on the couplers but I am glad to have some options others have used. I love the tin plate models too so I am happy to read that the 42281 Gluckauf models are also tinplate as I will likely pick up a set. Sometimes I cannot ascertain when a new set is tinplate or not by the description(s) I find.

Cheers,

Tim
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#40 Posted : 22 June 2014 05:32:48(UTC)
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All this talk about the 4228 & 42283 convinced a conservative collector to go trolling on the bay...BigGrin
so I guess I can blame Shamrock and the rest on this list, because my new to me, used 4228 will arrive by snail mail next week!LOL Now I just have to come up with a suitable Lok!ThumpUp
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#41 Posted : 22 June 2014 12:36:34(UTC)
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All this talk about the 4228 & 42283 convinced a conservative collector to go trolling on the bay...BigGrin
so I guess I can blame Shamrock and the rest on this list, because my new to me, used 4228 will arrive by snail mail next week!LOL Now I just have to come up with a suitable Lok!ThumpUp


A marvellous decision Thom, you won't be sorry.

After this evil thread I purchased the following 2 loco's to go with 2 of my 3 Rheingold sets, either will look wonderful with the Rheingold (even if there not kosher) BigGrin

A Blue S 3/6 # 37186

https://www.marklin-user...-Edition.aspx#post460399

And a Blue BR 18.3 2012 Toy Fair Edition # 39023

https://www.marklin-user...-Edition.aspx#post460403

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#42 Posted : 22 June 2014 14:44:28(UTC)
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As my layout is a fictional independent railway in Germany (The Reeperbahn) which buys used equipment retired from the DB I have my 4228 behind a yellow S 3/6 (33185) and my TEE cars behind a red BR 03 (33911). My 4228 came in rather sad shape it seems it was stored in a rather damp area with the paint crinkled in some spots and I waiting for parts to fix one car (1-2 months from Walther's). However at normal viewing range it looks good Cool
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#43 Posted : 30 June 2014 15:00:41(UTC)
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All this talk about the 4228 & 42283 convinced a conservative collector to go trolling on the bay...BigGrin
so I guess I can blame Shamrock and the rest on this list, because my new to me, used 4228 will arrive by snail mail next week!LOL Now I just have to come up with a suitable Lok!ThumpUp


Brilliant, Thom!

I am happy to finally be paying it forward!!! Please let me know your thoughts on it once it arrives.

Cheers,

Tim
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#44 Posted : 30 June 2014 15:06:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Shamu Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: seatrains Go to Quoted Post
All this talk about the 4228 & 42283 convinced a conservative collector to go trolling on the bay...BigGrin
so I guess I can blame Shamrock and the rest on this list, because my new to me, used 4228 will arrive by snail mail next week!LOL Now I just have to come up with a suitable Lok!ThumpUp


A marvellous decision Thom, you won't be sorry.

After this evil thread I purchased the following 2 loco's to go with 2 of my 3 Rheingold sets, either will look wonderful with the Rheingold (even if there not kosher) BigGrin

A Blue S 3/6 # 37186

https://www.marklin-user...-Edition.aspx#post460399

And a Blue BR 18.3 2012 Toy Fair Edition # 39023

https://www.marklin-user...-Edition.aspx#post460403

My life is currently in danger but that's the price we pay for the love of trains Drool


You really had no choice, Shane. It had to be done. BigGrin

Have you tried the 39022 or 39023 in front of the violet hued 41928? I am confused at the moment which one I saw in front of it that I thought was an interesting color combination, at least in photos.

Cheers,

Tim
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#45 Posted : 09 August 2014 22:52:26(UTC)
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What's the value on a Marklin 4228 set? Looks to be NIB, also have a Marklin 3318 BR 18.4 engine. I have quite a few train sets I'm trying to help an elderly neighbor sell to cover some medical bills. This seems to be the nicest one. Also has a Bachman Hogwarts Express, Department 56 Village Express, Marklin 2967 set, and a Bachman Royal Scot. Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I only know what I've been reading online.

Thanks,

Ron
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#46 Posted : 10 August 2014 15:43:12(UTC)
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I do not have a current Koll's catalogue but on the box it there is a sticker that has a price of $696.00 I would image that a nice complete set with box can go for about $500.00
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