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steventrain		#1 Posted : 27 May 2014 10:10:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		I have look at Tinplate passenger rolling stock did not came with interior seating. The 4035, 4037, 4055, 4056, 4057 etc do not have a interior. Can you post list of 40xx that do not have a Interior seating.
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Iamnotthecrazyone		#2 Posted : 27 May 2014 10:56:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,044		Deleted because I misread the question.
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kimballthurlow		#3 Posted : 27 May 2014 11:17:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,669 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Did the 4036 (FS) not have seating also?
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steventrain		#4 Posted : 27 May 2014 11:18:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Did the 4036 (FS) not have seating also? No Interior from 4036 - Koll book.
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kimballthurlow		#5 Posted : 27 May 2014 11:34:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,669 Location: Brisbane, Australia		4000 4002 4003 4004 4017 SBB 4022 4023 4024 DSG 4026 4027 4029 CIWL 4030 SJ 4031 SJ 4032 4033 OBB 4035 SBB 4036 FS 4038 SBB 4041 Can someone else add more, please. Interior seating kits were available from Marklin for some of these cars, as some roofs were removeable. Source: 1967/68 English catalogue. regards Kimball
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Iamnotthecrazyone		#6 Posted : 27 May 2014 11:44:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,044		Lol, I completely misread your post, I must have been on something good. Basically anything prior 1970 had no interior seats included. In the 1970 catalogue they released the silver commuter wagons and the TEE metal series with the legend (NEW) because they came with interiors. Most of the others were added later on but I don't know exactly when. Most of the small cheap small passenger wagons never had them until much later. I remember being annoyed as a kid because Lima had interiors in the 60's and marklin didn't! Some wagons produced for many years like the plastic French 4050 is available with and without them depending on the year they were made.
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MS 800		#7 Posted : 27 May 2014 13:21:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 36 Location: Ostalb, Württemberg		Hello all, the 4076 ist the first passenger car that was equipped with interior seating from the beginning - replacing the 4050 in 1973. But both already have a plastic body. Virtually all tinplate cars (and again many of the plastics, like 4072, 4073 4067, 4079, 4080) were first released without the seating and for some of them there was never developped such an inset. From 1973, many of the more popular tinplate cars were equipped with an interior seating, first receiving new article numbers, but later also retaining their old ones. The more intersting change in the appearance of these cars, however, was the change form the "simple" cellon strip representing the window panes to the moulded clear plastic part with three dimensionally modeled frames which took place in 1965. Greetings MS 800
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Janne75		#8 Posted : 27 May 2014 22:07:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,550 Location: Finland		Hi all, I have four oldest version 4045.1 DSB coaches and these are without interior seats. I have also some of the older 405X series TEE coaches without interior seats. And like writed before 4036 FS also are without interior like all older coaches. I have four of these 4036's. Regards, Janne
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Markus Schild		#9 Posted : 28 May 2014 12:16:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Originally Posted by: MS 800 Hello all, the 4076 ist the first passenger car that was equipped with interior seating from the beginning - replacing the 4050 in 1973. But both already have a plastic body. Virtually all tinplate cars (and again many of the plastics, like 4072, 4073 4067, 4079, 4080) were first released without the seating and for some of them there was never developped such an inset. From 1973, many of the more popular tinplate cars were equipped with an interior seating, first receiving new article numbers, but later also retaining their old ones. Hi, The first cars which came with a fitted interior seats were the relaunched TEE-cars in 1968 (4085ff). The 4090 (from 1970) dome-car was the first tinplate- car which always was equipped with interior seats. The next cars which were changed were the "Silberlinge" (Inox-cars) 4081ff from 1970. The last express- car which never got interior seats - or beds in this case- (except for replicas) was the sleeper 4130, ceased in 1995. I'm sorry, but I think I'm not able to do a complete list, I estimate that these are +100 cars including also the PRIMEX versions. Regards Markus
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mike c		#10 Posted : 28 May 2014 18:24:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 7,898 Location: Montreal, QC		4066 and 4068 (SBB) also came without interior details, as did the coaches from the 3070/3071 TEE Sets and 4070/4071 add-on coaches. The final two productions of the 4066 did have interior details as did the 3471 and 39700 TEE Sets. Regards Mike C
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steventrain		#11 Posted : 28 May 2014 22:27:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Image of TEE coaches unused mint/boxed do not fitted with Interior.
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steventrain		#12 Posted : 28 May 2014 22:29:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		With Interior. (PS 4089 The pick up shoe in the bag)
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Iamnotthecrazyone		#13 Posted : 28 May 2014 23:07:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,044		I don't get to see many of the TEE without interiors, do yours have the white floor? That is another unusual feature of the ones I've seen, the white floor appeared also in one Kakadu wagon.
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BR 44		#14 Posted : 28 May 2014 23:52:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 3 Location: GALICIA		I,ve got two 4000, one 4002 and one 4041...Anyone knows if there´s some kind of retrofit to put interior seats into them? Thanks in advance
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MS 800		#15 Posted : 28 May 2014 23:53:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 36 Location: Ostalb, Württemberg		Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Originally Posted by: MS 800 ... the 4076 is the first passenger car ... Virtually all tinplate cars ... were first released without the seating ... ... The first cars which came with a fitted interior seats were the relaunched TEE-cars in 1968 (4085ff). The 4090 (from 1970) dome-car was the first tinplate- car which always was equipped with interior seats. ... Sorry, guys, I think I didn't express what I wanted to say with the right words. Here again - I hope a little more precise: "The 4076 is the car with the lowest article number that never came without the interior." But not even that is true, since this statement applies to the 4051, which replaced the 4027. But there is one article with a lower number than the 4090 (thanks Markus for reminding me of that one) that did not replace a previous "empty" one and this is the 4063 (FS) 1st class car. I think this is the one I was looking for in my previous posting. Thus, noteven my second statement is true, being contradicted by those two cars. Best MS 800
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MS 800		#16 Posted : 29 May 2014 00:10:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 36 Location: Ostalb, Württemberg		Originally Posted by: BR 44 I've got two 4000, one 4002 and one 4041...Anyone knows if there´s some kind of retrofit to put interior seats into them?... Hello, BR 44, although there is no "official" interior seating for the cars you mention, I "forged" one with a "floor" of 1mm plywood onto which seats and toilet rooms of the Märklin set 0225 are glued. These seats are moulded from grey plastic, thus, a little drop of light brown colour might serve well, since the original seats of these "Donnerbüchsen" (thunder can) cars are wooden ones. The plywood floor for the 4041 should be equipped with a toilet, an "office" room, a number of pieces of luggage and express parcels and a conductor's figure. Take care MS 800
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BR 44		#17 Posted : 29 May 2014 00:35:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 3 Location: GALICIA		Originally Posted by: MS 800 Originally Posted by: BR 44 I've got two 4000, one 4002 and one 4041...Anyone knows if there´s some kind of retrofit to put interior seats into them?... Hello, BR 44, although there is no "official" interior seating for the cars you mention, I "forged" one with a "floor" of 1mm plywood onto which seats and toilet rooms of the Märklin set 0225 are glued. These seats are moulded from grey plastic, thus, a little drop of light brown colour might serve well, since the original seats of these "Donnerbüchsen" (thunder can) cars are wooden ones. The plywood floor for the 4041 should be equipped with a toilet, an "office" room, a number of pieces of luggage and express parcels and a conductor's figure. Take care MS 800 Thanks a lot. I will try it your way by myself. Cheers Carlos
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steventrain		#18 Posted : 30 May 2014 12:52:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		4064 box date March 1976 - No interior.
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steventrain		#19 Posted : 30 May 2014 12:54:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		4029 box date march 1960 - No interior.
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steventrain		#20 Posted : 30 May 2014 12:56:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		4024 box date January 1960 - Interior.
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RayF		#21 Posted : 30 May 2014 14:17:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Very nice trio of coaches, Stephen! I have all three myself, but my 4024 is not in very good condition.
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Iamnotthecrazyone		#22 Posted : 30 May 2014 14:55:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,044		The interior on that 4024 is added, it wouldn't have come with it originally. The wagons are in very nice condition indeed.
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steventrain		#23 Posted : 30 May 2014 16:15:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: Iamnotthecrazyone The interior on that 4024 is added, it wouldn't have come with it originally. Correct, the 0224 Interior equipment and figures for the 4024 Dining car but no figures in it.
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Iamnotthecrazyone		#24 Posted : 30 May 2014 16:32:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,044		Originally Posted by: steventrain Originally Posted by: Iamnotthecrazyone The interior on that 4024 is added, it wouldn't have come with it originally. Correct, the 0224 Interior equipment and figures for the 4024 Dining car but no figures in it. Kitchen is closed! I have forgotten, that set comes with the figures but none of them are eating they are reading or pointing at things.
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